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reviewteam
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2007 03:15
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definatly.. be very very careful, there are so many scams out there. i definatly agree with the people above about the Profit Lance system. It is a definate winner
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# Posted: 12 Jun 2007 19:15
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While in some instances you do have to pay a nominal fee to start up a work from home programme, i.e. if you want an online business/website you may have to pay for a site building programme, hosting, domain name etc., However, you should never pay a company a registration fee or sign up fee to work for them, and under no circumstances be required to buy your own materials. You should always check the websites credentials before parting with any personal info. Look for a valid address, telephone number and company registration number. There are a lot of scams out there so it's crucial to beware. Working from home is feasible but it does require hard work, determination and discipline so never get drawn in by any get rich quick schemes. As someone mentioned earlier, 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!'
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workingfromhome
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# Posted: 14 Jun 2007 19:59
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Rich Jerk is surprisingly good, and there are no hidden fees, you just pay 1 off for the ebook.
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talfighel
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# Posted: 25 Jun 2007 14:11
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I see it this way.
if you are looking to buy, for example, The Rich Jerk and the person is offering a 30 days money back guarantee then you know that it is legit and honest.
It could very well be that the owner mentiones a refund in their sales copy but if you use the product and the owner does not give you a refund then you know that he was just after your money and that he is doing a fraudelent business practice.
But I heard that the Rich Jerk does promise and is honest about giving the refund once a customer asks for it.
Tal
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twnuck
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2007 14:42
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Personally I think you just need to do your homework.
Paying a fee does not = scam. If you are paying a fee you need to ask yourself "for what?". What's in it for me? Do I get a course, a product or both?
Then, I think you need to search forums for the product in question. If there is an overwhelming cry of "scam" then stay away. But, a few spatterings of "scam" here and there should be taken with a grain of salt.
Money back guarantees are a great sign that they are not scams. Using services like Clickbank or Paydotcom are another sign. Experience on the internet is good too. Remember, "past performance is a great indicator of future performance". So, if they have a track record of being forthright it will probably continue!
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aabliss552
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2007 15:08
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There have been some very good replies here. You should always do your reseasrch and it looks like you are doing so. Good job.
You have to have a pretty good marketing mind to do good at 99% of these work-at-home schemes and even then, it isn't a sure thing. I have tried so many of these kind of things too, but the only one that finally put my mind to rest and money in my pockets is listed in my Sig and there are no huge investments. Everyone is different, but I found it the easiest and most beneficial.
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demisub
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2007 09:49
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I do agree there are legitimate work from home jobs that do not requirement money to get started. I think what most do not realize is the difference between a work from home sub contract job and a biz opp. Biz opps do have a start up cost however, I usually go with one that is well known by others that helps.
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rememberramu
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 04:22
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I agree that there are many work at home scams. like get rich quick scams or earn a lot with out doing so much . But it does not mean all work at home programs are scams . There are also some genuine opportunities . Google ad sense is one of the best example for work at home opportunity . Many more publishers are earning more than thousands $s per month for just working 2 or 3 hour a day . Its quite normal for experienced publishers . After successfully starting earning then its easy to earn regularly with little effort . As you can take my example . my main income source is ad sense now . If you also interested in ad sense you can visit my site .
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jameszz
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 18:43 · Edited by: jameszz
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Before you consider anything, just put "product name" scam into Google, and see what comes up. All Clickbank products offer money back guarantees which is great, but a lot of products do not. The legitimate opportunites I'd refer anyone to are The Rich Jerk and Wealthy Affiliate, as I have first hand knowledge of them both, The Rich Jerk being a great ebook for people of all levels and Wealthy Affiliate being a community that is helpful with some great resources. It's funny to see the opportunites that claim you can be making 1000s of dollars right away, since I know this is not possible for a beginner, having gone through all this myself.
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RayvinAndRob
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# Posted: 25 Jul 2007 15:09
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Hi,
Yes and going through it all Yourself while maintaining a positive and optimistic outlook can be a bit of a challenge. Getting burned too often or too badly by bum deals will either turn us off and make us pessimistic or will make us stronger and more educated. Hopefully the latter transpires for everyone because the payoff can be good. With the right opportunity you'll finally find that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The journey there may have been arduous, however, it was all worth it!
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aabliss552
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# Posted: 28 Jul 2007 13:09
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typing in "(whatever product) scam" into google does show a list of what to avoid, but it will also turn you off to legitimate programs that a few people here and there label as a scam, because they didn't know what the heck they were doing, so they automatically label them as a scam. I little more research should clear that up, though
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GetPaidToFan
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# Posted: 28 Jul 2007 17:54
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Well.. there are some legit data entry jobs that want you to enter information into their database. o:
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worknwealth
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2007 09:23
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I have been scammed multiple times and its gets to be very frustrating. I just believe there is no quick way to riches, it takes work, time, patience, and investment.
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worknwealth
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2007 09:45
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I too have been scammed several times and it does get frustrating. To become successful it takes work, times, patience, and investment, but it can happen.
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2007 12:58
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I'd like to add my two cents here.
Everyone keeps picking on the 'data entry', 'process emails', 'paidsurveys' scams, and forget about the BIG ones: many MLMs and Networking 'opportunities' are nothing more than disguised pyramid schemes/scams.
How many people have lost their money with PAS? How many are just sitting there waiting for their 'thousands-a-week' from 1StepSystem, EDC and similar programs? What about ProWealthBuilder, ProWealthSolutions (this one promised $1,000/month without sponsoring...)?
I've been online for sometime now but I recently fell for one of these: their sales page was so incredibly convincing that the idiot here joined, paid to upgrade and then found out that I'd need at least another $ 150/200 a month to proceed with my 'wealth building' program...
And if you're going to tell me that many people truly earn in these programs, I'll just ask a question: many people have earned real money with StudioTraffic, 4Daily, 12by12daily...does this turn these auto-surf scams into legitimate programs?
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kohuether
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2007 12:51
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One exception to the "don't pay to work" thing is in the case of freelance job posting sites like elance and guru. Those are well established companies. They just charge a fee for you to use them. There is a difference between scams and legit businesses that you pay to use the service.
When I first started freelancing, I was wary of these sites so I started using getafreelancer and rentacoder. But they STILL take their fee - their commission is a lot higher than the places where you pay a monthly.
I once had someone contact me with the classic data entry scam. She actually had the gall to contact me herself!
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iworkathome2
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# Posted: 15 Aug 2007 12:22
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Just to add to this thread, the best way to work at home and stay legitimate is become a paid research participant.
You can go online and register with one of the many survey panels, and after answering a few questions about yourself, a profile will be developed. The type of questions will differ depending on the survey panel you are registering with.
Once you have developed a profile, the survey panel will invite you participate in various surveys and focus groups online.
The amount of money that you can will vary, depending on the type of survey being given. You may also be compensated with merchandise, or awarded points that you can accrue and exchange for gifts or money. The more survey panels you sign up with, the more opportunities you will be invited to participate in.
The biggest thing you have to look out for is scams or "get rich quick" schemes. They will offer you insane amounts of money just for giving your opinion. The best way to find the legitimate paid surveys is to go online and find free websites that list the top survey panels.
Bottom line is look before you leap, but make sure you leap. It really is a great way to work at home and earn extra money.
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Power_Advisor27
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# Posted: 20 Aug 2007 17:54
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I agree with something that was said earlier. People often feel that because business opportunities require an investment of some sort, that they are scams. This simply isn't true. Just like starting a physical business (a store, restaurant, or salon), there are start-up costs and investments that have to be made. No legitimate business (by this I don't mean simple affiliate programs) was ever started for free!
As was said earlier, you have to do your homework. I feel bad for those who've said they've been scammed multiple times. But I have to ask, did you do enough research to make you feel totally comfortable with your decision? I don't mean just checking out a forum or 2 or reading a few reviews. Did you actually check out these programs that scammed you with the BBB online or the FTC's website before joining? I just don't see being scammed so many times when you've done ample research. Seems like if the opportunity truly wasn't legitimate, you'd have come across something to that effect in your research. I don't say this to be mean, but just being truthful.
Also, a lot of times it's not the opportunity that's rotten but the sponsor or distributor promoting it. For this reason, I recommend that if you're interested in a particular opportunity, you do just as much research on your would-be sponsor as on the program itself. Make sure that person has a proven track record for helping others. Make sure that person is accessible (whether by phone or email). And don't fall for the hype! Just because someone claims to be a top earner (and they really might be) doesn't mean they'll make the best sponsor. If you have to compete with hundreds of other members for individual support or training, then that person may not be the best sponsor for you. Make sure you take that into consideration. I don't agree with the way a lot of distributors market their programs these days. It could be a perfectly reputable company, but distributors can give it a bad reputation with the way they market and do business. Remember that with most business opportunities, distributors work independently of the company and each other. Just because one isn't operating ethically doesn't mean the entire company is a bad one!
Do your research (on the program and the sponsor)! If you can't find enough info (good or bad), then wait it out. Better to wait and follow a topic than to jump in because you haven't found anything bad. And don't fall for the hype. A legitimate business will take time and effort to build and become successful. Those who state otherwise (we'll do all the work for you, earn thousands in your first week, etc.) lying. And remember that just because a distributor is using such unethical tactics doesn't mean the whole company is a scam. Consider the source...always consider the source!
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worknwealth
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# Posted: 20 Aug 2007 18:03 · Edited by: worknwealth
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you definately have to do research. but often times i find that even when you do research you will find people saying to two different things. some people say it works, but others says it a scam. these are independent people......so you really have to be careful. i think the overall thing is that you really have to work harder than you initially thought. you have read the ebooks go through and implement the strategies given to you.
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RayvinAndRob
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# Posted: 20 Aug 2007 18:19
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Great comments from all of you!
It's pretty easy to get excited about a new opportunity when you're not getting anywhere with your own biz op.
Rob Nyte
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gduritsch
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# Posted: 20 Aug 2007 20:38
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Hi Magix 66,
I've looked for years to find work at home position or business.
I found either it was a scam or business's with all the fee's and advertising costs they don't tell you about.
I've gone back and forth from business opp's but you have to invest so much money, or trying to find some one who hires for more than $11.00 an hour with out a lot of college.
Could you share what worked for you?
I'm glad your happy.
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CarolinaConsign
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# Posted: 20 Aug 2007 21:46
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This was an interesting topic.
I believe all opportunities begin being good. It's when you inject people into them that they have problems.
Brian
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# Posted: 1 Sep 2007 18:08
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you need to be aware of what you are getting into. As I was scammed before by a company and never saw my 60 dollars again. Have to research these things.
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# Posted: 2 Sep 2007 21:43
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Since outsourcing is a common method for companies to save money, I find it difficult to imagine anyone offering an individual to perform a job (that requires no skills whatsoever) and pay them $2,000.00 a week. That should be the first signs of a scam.
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# Posted: 6 Sep 2007 21:13
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Quoting: ChristianBizMan 1) HOW LONG the company has been in business? If they have not been in business for more then 3-5 years, BEWARE! 2) Does the company actually market any products? Products that are NOT over priced, but are great value! 3) Is there FREE support and on-going support available? Are you going to be able to get the support you need? WILL THEY ALLOW YOU TO EXPERINECE THAT TRAINING BEFORE YOU PAY ANY MONEY TO JOIN?
What you say is very true
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 15:54
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Quoting: ChristianBizMan 1) HOW LONG the company has been in business? If they have not been in business for more then 3-5 years, BEWARE! 2) Does the company actually market any products? Products that are NOT over priced, but are great value! 3) Is there FREE support and on-going support available? Are you going to be able to get the support you need? WILL THEY ALLOW YOU TO EXPERINECE THAT TRAINING BEFORE YOU PAY ANY MONEY TO JOIN?
I agree with most of what you say. However, here is a different viewpoint on one of your tests that ought to be considered. Who's to determine what is/is not overpriced or what is/isn't of great value? It seems to me that value (and even fair pricing) is in the eye of the beholder. What you may consider overpriced, someone else may consider fairly priced. Likewise, what you consider worthless, someone else may see great value in, or what you consider valuable someone else may not.
Perhaps the best thing to do when researching any program is to make sure that the products being purchased/sold and the services being offered are something you can benefit from yourself, instead of just selling something for the heck of selling it.
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 12:39
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Quoting: ChristianBizMan Absolutely, the value of anything is definitely "perception" of what it will do for your clients. And fair pricing is determined by what the "market will bare". In my opinion, "over-pricing" occurs when products and/or services of the same quality are found elsewhere for less money. Again that is comparing "apples-to-apples". Now, that is where "personal service" comes into play. If you are providing personal mentoring with your program like I am with Emerald Passport, then the value can be great enhanced by your own efforts!
Absolutely Ed!
Firstly, I feel that when it comes to finding similar or the same products/services at various places for different prices, it comes down to what's offered along with the purchase. For example, with my program EDC, many have said that our products can be found elsewhere (like eBay) for much cheaper, some even $1, some free. Here is where I feel what we offer differs. Folks are welcome to purchase those cheap products elsewhere. However, they won't receive master resell rights, tools to help resell those products, training how how to use those products to boost their businesses and so on. I feel that the value we offer is in the total package, not simply individual products.
And like you, I offer exclusive and superior training to my team members, as well well as marketing tools and services that they won't get from any other distributor/sponsor, or from any other program (I feel). This greatly adds to the value of their purchase, not just for a few months, but for the life of this program and any other venture they join!
Good luck to you, and thanks for the discussion as well!
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 14:52
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thanks for the advice guys
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2007 14:48
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In response to what Connie proposed earlier, I disagree. Just because a program requires you to invest money to get started does not make it a scam. Opening a McDonald's franchise requires a very large investment. However, that doesn't make McDonald's a scam. It is normal in business for there to be some kind of start-up investment.
What should be considered, however, is how much is being asked of a new member, and exactly what products and/or services are received for such payment. Programs which offer nothing in return for payment should be avoided.
In general, however, there is nothing wrong with an opportunity that requires start-up costs. Many MLM programs where distributors sell physical products (makeup, lotions, potions, juices, pills and so on...) require cots of that actual product by the case-load. This works just like a franchise. Also, there is something else to consider that most in the working world don't. Though you're not paying any start up costs to do so, having a job is not free. Anyone in this country (the US) who has a job is taxed according to how much they earn. And for some, even when taxes have been paid the whole year through, there is still money owed at the end of the tax year.
There is very little in this life that is free, especially when it comes to earning money. Just be sure that if you invest, you're actually receiving something in exchange for your payment (not just access to a system to make money, but products and/or services.
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2007 15:41
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And I completely agree with you, Jeff! You should never invest more than you can afford to (or are willing to) lose!
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