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Dave B
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 10:00 · Edited by: Dave B
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Goodness me...this have developed into quite a bun fight since I've been away.
I have nothing to say about PL. I've never seen it. I just know WA delivers the goods...(and yes, I promote it)
But I almost get the impression that there is some suspicion about promoting stuff.
This is the Work at Home forum, right?
One way to work at home is to promote stuff on the web. If you don't have your own products you become an affiliate.
If you have your own products you can, if you want, get affiliates to promote them for you.
It works...but it's hard work and for me at least, WA showed me the way.
If PL does it for you...fine... (I'm not going near the ethics stuff  )
Dave B
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JCP
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 11:25
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Quoting: getagrip Did you say he has 4 MILLION pages online? Let's do some math here. If he has been at this for 2 years (730 days), that would mean he would have to create... - 5,479 pages a day - 228 pages an hour - 3.8 pages a minute - not sleep, shower, or eat anything If he outsourced this work and paid just $5 per page, that would mean he would have paid out $20,000,000 to create these pages.
getagrip~>Do you consider the possibility that he has people helping him? That he has a staff? Software to create them? I know I have software that can create many pages in minutes.
Dave B~>I hear ya..... I myself am done with this stuff. We can agree to dissagree. Like I said, Since MIKE is reachable... Unlike OJ, [email protected]
If anyone wants to talk to him, or if you have issues with what has been said here, go to the sourse. Ask him. Then make your judement from what has been said here.
I emailed Mike again and he told me to word for word post his email he has sent to me yesterday.
JCP,
Don't worry about it. I've experienced this before people trying
make a mountain out of a molehill. Its just a waste of time, and I
never allow myself to get drawn into time wasting.
A few other members emailed me about it too. I took a quick look
at that thread once about 4 days ago, and never bothered with
it since.
Basically when I had the review sites designed I outsourced the
graphics design and layout. I gave the design person a list of
around 6 sites which to look at. The end result was that I got
a site looking similar to one of those sites. Its no big deal, I'll
just pay someone else a few hundred dollars to do me another
design.
In addition, apart from the content I have created myself in the members area, I have resell rights content and private label material
that I have used as additional information, and the rest of the material I paid to have it prepared by outsourcing. I've been way too busy in the marketing aspect of my numerous other online
businesses to do a complete review of what I have in there, but
I've got an overhaul coming soon when I launch a series of
new products.
I have over 600 domains/sites, well over 4 million pages online, have a few membership sites, have huge affiliate sites and also do strategic marketing work for high paying customers - I recently helped a client make sales of $320,000 in a 60 day period with a site that's only 60 days old. So why should some person on a forum trying to bang his head against a mountain worry me?
It's not bothering me so it shouldn't really bother you. If anyone
has any malicious intent, that's just too bad for them. Getting the
last word does not make them any richer and it does not make me
any poorer.
So basically, don't worry about it!
Thanks for emailing and as always wish you the best.
Mike
Hey, know nothing about Wealthy Affiliate, but, I will soon, I decided to do some extensive research my self. To see why your saying it is better....
Getagrip~> Are you the guy behind getagripmarketing?
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Dave B
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 11:37
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Yeah cool
There is a video review of WA on my blog
I hope it's OK to post the link here as I have now changed my sig link to something else.
[Link removed - Admin]
And getagrip is behind getagripmarketing. I've got a review of that as well.
Dave B
PS. We are all trying to get to same end result, right?
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getagrip
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 15:12 · Edited by: getagrip
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I appreciate the fact that Mike has decided to do something about the templates. He seems like a nice guy, and even answered a couple of my questions when I had Profit Lance...there were just some things that made me very uncomfortable, and I reported them here, but I'm moving beyond that.
As far as Wealthy Affiliate is concerned, I think Profit Lancers will find that WA is actually a great compliment to Profit Lance. Is it better? That's depends on who you talk to...but if Profit Lance has brought you to a certain level in your understanding of internet marketing, Wealthy Affiliate can help you get to the next level...like I said, WA is a great compliment to PL.
Also, Dave B's product, called Destination Unknown is GREAT, as he and my other WA buddy, Thad, reveal what they did for actual profitable campaigns they have earned money from on Google...but there is a price tag: $47 a month, but when you consider that they are giving away profitable campaigns - which people can copy (but hopefully will not copy), you can see why they are charging $47 a month. Actually, I think they are raising the price to $67 a month, unless they change their minds...
Yes, GetagripMarketing is mine. Its a great internet marketing guide for beginners, and covers the fundamentals very well...and is dirt cheap at $14.95, although I plan to raise the price when I revise it...which hopefully will happen soon.
Anyway...I hope we can all be friends - it wasn't my intention to create walls of division with all of this, but ultimately, to make people think and get to the truth...and I think some good has come of this thread. No matter which side of the fence someone is on, hopefully what was written here will encourage people to act ethically in their internet marketing adventures.
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JCP
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 17:18
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Fair enough, No hard feelings here! Actually, with all this, I like to know what people are taking about so I joined Wealthy Affliliate~ **As a compliment** to PL, hahha anyway, I hate that I have to wait for 3 days with the paypal ebill thingy!
Mostly, I want to know what is out there!
Thanks Getagrip! CHEERS! The weekend is HERE! hahah
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 18:39 · Edited by: getagrip
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That stinks that you have to wait! Initially, I joined by check and had to wait the 3 days as well...but I didn't want to wait until the e-check cleared, so I just re-joined with a credit card that same day, and Carson refunded me when my a-check cleared. That was over a year and a half ago, but its kinda funny that something similar happened to someone else!
I think you will really like Wealthy Affiliate, though, especially the forum - it will really help fill in any "knowledge gaps" that you might have, and I think that you will find other Wealthy Affiliate members to be very helpful.
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JCP
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 21:04
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See, Getagrip, You Helped me to check it out.... I will probally defend you some day.... ahhahdh OK THAT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!
REALLY, might do that, so he will refund me huh?
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 21:28 · Edited by: getagrip
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I THINK so, I don't see why he wouldn't, but I'd email him first...just to make sure there are no surprizes. There is a contact link at the top of the Wealthy Affiliate home page.
Since its Friday night, I don't know how fast they will respond...but I'd definately send an email first to make sure. Also, I think you might have to use a different email address if you sign up for a different account.
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Dave B
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 05:54
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Ah...all's well that ends well! 
Dave B
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JCP
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 09:15
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I want to acsess WA!!!!!!! grrr I got 1 one more I guess..... Ach
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 14:47 · Edited by: getagrip
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Here's a little teaser for ya...
When you finally get access to the Wealthy Affiliate members area, there is a forum section called "The $500 Challenge". It was a contest (which is now over), whichawarded $500 to the forum post which would add the most value or give away the best secret. There is sooooo much value and information in just that ONE section that your brain will hurt from information overload, so waiting isn't necessarily a bad thing...
Oh, and BTW, for anyone considering joining Wealthy Affiliate, MAKE SURE TO ORDER WITH A CREDIT OR DEBIT CARD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO GET ACCESS!!!
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JCP
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 23:52
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Early next year.......hahah that is thinking FAAAAR away....
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2007 15:58
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Me too. Next year I might join WA.. not yet.. Have to finish university first before I get involved with any more programs.
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AaronCross
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2007 20:11
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Both are not worth the money.
In todays market you need to be able to pick up the phone and get questions answered from a mentor...
You should check out Team Pajama - All The Training, Plus a direct contact mentor | For even less than both programs!
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# Posted: 9 Sep 2007 21:22
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Actually yes, both ARE worth the money.
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Dave B
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# Posted: 10 Sep 2007 04:18
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Quoting: getagrip Also, Dave B's product, called Destination Unknown is GREAT, as he and my other WA buddy, Thad, reveal what they did for actual profitable campaigns they have earned money from on Google...but there is a price tag: $47 a month, but when you consider that they are giving away profitable campaigns - which people can copy (but hopefully will not copy), you can see why they are charging $47 a month. Actually, I think they are raising the price to $67 a month, unless they change their minds...
Thanks for the kind words getagrip. Just so you know we are limiting membership of Destination Unknown (DUK) to 200 to keep it manageable and intimate.
We were originally going to let the first 100 in at the reduced price of $47 and then increase the price to $67.
We were going to put the price up last week but decided to hold it at $47 for all. We did not want two seperate groups in there.
So it's $47 until we are full up.
Dave B
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Dave B
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2007 01:42
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Just so you know...
We have now added an alternative to Paypal. You can now sign up for the slots that remain using 2CO
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2007 03:15
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I have looked at both sites & I think WA tends too offer more features.
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Dave B
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2007 05:14
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Quoting: Dave B Just so you know... We have now added an alternative to Paypal. You can now sign up for the slots that remain using 2CO Dave B
Oops! My bad... the 2CO subscription method is not quite ready. I'll let you know when it is.
Dave B
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2007 16:33
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Quoting: Casper I have looked at both sites & I think WA tends too offer more features.
PL has more tutorials, but Wealthy Affiliate has a lot more tools...and I guarantee you that the tools will be a lot more useful than tutorials (which Wealthy Affiliate has plenty of), especially when you start doing Google campaigns.
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JCP
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2007 19:18
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I wish someone would make a course with ALL VIDEOS! hahah I learn better thru visual!
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advoc821
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2007 06:53
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Hi guys! Just got PL 3 weeks ago and still learning lots from it. Before I purchased PL, I've been through this dilemma (WA vs PL).
I have had access to WA by the way through someone who wanted to promote it and they really offer "almost" the same services. But from a beginner's perspective, I think newbies like me should go for PL for several reasons:
1. Budget : one time vs recurring bills
2. The information is overwhelming and we cannot just absorb it in a month or two (we cannot afford to be charged for that)
3. If you're technically-challenged (like me) you'll have to have an additional time to learn HTML, scripts, tracking, etc. (making the learning process longer and again we cannot afford to be charged for that)
4. If you are on a tight budget, "who copied who" (has it been resolved?) doesn't matter as long as what we need to learn is delivered to us. Anyway, from my observations in this business everybody learns from everybody.
These are the major reasons why I think as beginners in this field, PROFITLANCE would be the best choice. It all boils down to budget.
Same education and almost same support (Mike is good at it even without a forum). We, newbies just got to use our common sense.
Let's just all work hard and play hard!
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earnnow2
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2007 10:29
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Have tried Profit Lance and Wealthy Affiliate. Both seem to offer me excellent information. However, due to my lack of experience and computor training, I am well over 65 years old, it is difficult to understand and even more difficult to know how to implement correctly.
I am eager to learn more basics and internet marketing information.Where can I get free or low cost training via my computor. I am also a full time caretaker. As a result, I have to pick specific times to be on the computor. Appreciate very much any advice/recommendations. Earnnow2
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 15 Sep 2007 19:02
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Good advice advoc821
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Sean Byrne
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2007 19:44
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Bloody hell...
I was here a couple of weeks back.. I thought this issue was put to bed!!
Obviously not!
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Lynn1944
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2007 19:11
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I'm new to this forum and would really like to get some sound information.
Like everybody else, I've been scammed a few times, and am very, very nervous about trying anything new again.
I don't know anything about these affiliate programs. How do they work? What do you do? Do you need to have your own products to sell, or if not, how does it work? Which programs are worth it and which are not? Any recommendations? Is there a lot to learn to do it?
Any good recommendations on other programs other than affiliate that can be trusted out there?
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2007 03:31
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haven't tried profit lance myself but WA has given me my money's worth
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Dave B
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2007 08:52
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Quoting: Dave B Quoting: Dave B Just so you know... We have now added an alternative to Paypal. You can now sign up for the slots that remain using 2CO Dave B Oops! My bad... the 2CO subscription method is not quite ready. I'll let you know when it is. Dave B
This has now been fixed and the 2CO option for Destination Unknown is now available.
Dave B
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getagrip
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2007 15:58
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Quoting: Lynn1944 I don't know anything about these affiliate programs. How do they work? What do you do? Do you need to have your own products to sell, or if not, how does it work?
Take a look at my website - its all broken down.
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2007 16:22
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getagrip - i have been following this thread and i am an active member with profit lance I have found all the profit lance information really useful and i have learnt so much and have had a little success. Be honest and send it by pm if you don't want to put into thread but how good is wealthy affiliate and will i be able to read the course within a month as i can only afford one months subscription
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