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OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 15:26
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Quoting: rommo
makemoneyonline is an affiliate for the product while onlinemoney24 7 is marketing one of the websites he got from profit lance which in itself is a scam. Online24 7 have you actually reviewed any of the products on your bogus site or is it something you got from profit lance and have no moral issues with marketing it as long as it makes you money?


The website that I am promoting in my signature IS one of the free websites that were given to me when I joined Profit Lance. The website is basically promoting Profit Lance. I have read through the whole Profit Lance members area and have a through understanding of what it's all about. That is why I have gone ahead and decided to launch an Adwords advertising campaign with that site.

Also there is a section on that website that picks out the webs top scams. And I agree whole heartily with the Profit Lance owner that those sites are scams. And from your blogs I can see you believe they are scams as well.

So my point being, If I honestly believe that people can benefit from Profit Lance, why not promote it? Yeah I agree the sales page could use some work, and I am sure it will be updated. But I do not see what is immoral about what I am doing. I have learned some very valuable skills from Profit Lance and I would like others to join and also learn the same skills and knowledge.

A side note. Promoting Profit Lance is not the only thing I have learned to do. I have learned to promote basically any product that I would like to. I have also learned a number of different techniques on promoting products, adverstising and marketing online, and also how to find niches markets.

And I agree with dimave that if anything, you are the immoral one. The Adsense ads contradicting what you are saying in your blogs. From what I have learnt from PROFIT LANCE, there are filters for those types of ads.

Here's a quote from the owner of the site. To me it sounds like he genuinely cares about your success.

Now you might think why I have included a section on changing your thinking before learning anything about making money. Well, it is a fact that in order to become wealthy, you must change your frame of mind and your way of thinking into that of already successful people.

Becoming rich is something that originates in the mind. There is a clear difference in mindset and thinking habits between those who are rich and always attract wealth and between those besides them.

I cannot stress enough how important it is that you grasp this concept.

I strongly suggest that you read the following excellent book. Even though I have included a free electronic copy here, I suggest that you buy your own print copy of "Think and Grow Rich", a classic by Napoleon Hill, and constantly refer back to it. You can get it from Amazon.Com. Believe me, it will change your life!

The most crucial step in enriching your life, is changing what goes through your mind. You need to really appreciate this - don't ask why - you will soon realise it for yourself. I strongly recommend that you at least read through "Think and Grow Rich".

As you read through it, you will start altering your perceptions and radically changing the view you have about yourself, your abilities and your potential.


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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 15:37
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Quoting: imcrazy
Thanks makemoneyonline.

Does the Profit Lance system actually explain fully the why's and how's so that you become armed with the real knowledge required to be successful?

What I mean is, something like the below is simply not good enough

1) Search on Google Zeitgeist to find a niche, make sure it sells already -

To me this is the key, and I'd like someone to outline an in depth approch to how you narrow down to a specific niche. I realise there may not be an automatic formula here.

2) Setup some clever keywords

Keyword selection is still a mystery to me, I am aware of several techniques but most of it seems to be just trial and error. Does PL actually have any tried and tested points to make on this.

3) Watch the money come rolling in

Right, the bottom line, to me, this is where the most Bullsh@t is written. Again, what I am looking for is an indepth review on how you approach PPC etc to maximise initial costs and profit margins. I don't mind being told that you have to run some campaigns at a loss as part of an overall strategy, but I have never seen a product that really gets down to detail on this stuff.

Am I living in a dreamworld, or is this too much to ask for?

Thoughts/Comments?


imcrazy - I think I have said this in other posts as well. But Profit Lance give you step by step insturctions on how to market online successfully. PL teaches you a vareity of marketing techniques, (some free and some at a cost) and yes this includes find niche markets through Google Adwords. And this is a product that gets down to the details in how to do that.

Please take the advice in this forum from people who have actually purchased PL, read through the material, and are implementing the money making techniques.

And please don't think that I am just trying to get you click on my link and make myself a commission. Feel free to purchase this product from where ever you like! And if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask!

dimave
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 16:12
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Quoting: rommo
Traffic is always nice. I'm sure our fellow posters here are doing the same.


So rommo's admitted that he has come here to get traffic just like his fellow posters. This traffic he's come for can only be for making money with adsense. The ads appearing on his blog are ones he knows full well are promoting the very same specific scams he is writing about. Nice moral and noble business model. Whereas the fellow posters are promoting what they genuinely believe to be a useful product.

There is nothing wrong with promoting a product if you truly believe in it. That's what rommo can't understand.

I dislike scam artists. I also dislike self-appointed "scam-busters" who are in it just for the money like everyone else and make a pretence of morality while they are at it.

Hemjoe
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 17:00
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OnlineMoney24 7 and dimave I honor and agree with you opinions against rommo's selfish act. Sometimes it is not all about money it is about letting other know the truth. It was this forum that really convinced me to sign up to profit lance as i could tell some reviews were just money making schemes and ones i couldn't trust. Now if i saw rommo's posts scattered all across this forum i would start to wonder whether profit lance is what it is all cracked up to be. Well i advice anyone to take what OnlineMoney24 7 and dimave have to say about profit lance and make your own decisions on rommo's views.

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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 17:19
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Thanks for all your comments.

It would be useful to see what IP address people's comments are coming from, just out of interest.

I have a little more due dilligence to do, but by tomorrow I will make my move, thanks for your help folks

imcrazy
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 17:25
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Just out of interest, has anybody looked at DayJobKiller? If so, how would they compare it to ProfitLance?

thanks

makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 00:16
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I have day job killer. its amazing, but only if you know a lot about adwords.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 11:07 · Edited by: rommo
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Quoting: dimave
There is nothing wrong with promoting a product if you truly believe in it. That's what rommo can't understand.

I dislike scam artists. I also dislike self-appointed "scam-busters" who are in it just for the money like everyone else and make a pretence of morality while they are at it.


Quoting: dimave
The ads appearing on his blog are ones he knows full well are promoting the very same specific scams he is writing about. Nice moral and noble business model. Whereas the fellow posters are promoting what they genuinely believe to be a useful product.


Dont try and turn the tables on me. Anyone visiting this forum who isnt actually promoting the product can see very well what you are trying to do. It just makes you look more suspicious. Perhaps you are already promoting the product under a different member name on this forum. A common tactic when you want to make your position stronger.

And yes I am in it for the money. The whole purpose of my blog is to find a product that makes me money. Thats not a secret.

Unlike your pals "promoting what they 'genuinely believe' to be a useful product", the money I make off the ads comes from the scammers not from my site visitors.

Quoting: dimave
Actually no they don't.

Actually yes they do. Except for personal blogs, 98% of blogs have either adsense or another form advertising on them.

I have said over and over again that I have yet to write a review on the product. Like I said before, no one is paying me off to provide negative reviews.

OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:15
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I just want to thank rommo. You have inspired me to start my own blog about the times that I have been scammed. Not to mention that I have learned some neat techniques through PROFIT LANCE on how to drive traffic and promote my blog as well.

But I personal have been lured in by many sales pages in the past and forked over whatever amount they wanted. I still have that members access. And I can say that I did make a honest effort in try to carry out whatever Internet Marketing techniques the company was offering, and failed miserable.

I will also be blogging about my good experiences that I have had. And discussing what works, or has worked for me.

A side note, this will be review of programs that I have joined and put in solid effort to make it work but failed. Not a review of program sales pages.

rommo
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:22
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Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7
The website that I am promoting in my signature IS one of the free websites that were given to me when I joined Profit Lance. The website is basically promoting Profit Lance.


I know it is. I am currently reviewing the product. My issue with the site is that people dont know it has been created by profit lance when they click on it through adwords. I didnt know it was created by profit lance until I signed up for the program. These netsalleries sites are misleading people into thinking that the reviews are impartial. How could the information on the site be credible in any way if it was written by the person who is the owner of the number one product "reviewed" on the site? Even if you truly believe in the benefits of the profit lance system the site is still misleading.

So far I am finding that the profit lance program is quite interesting. Right now, I really only have issues with these "review" sites.

dimave
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:28 · Edited by: dimave
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Quoting: rommo
the money I make off the ads comes from the scammers not from my site visitors.


No, the money you make comes mainly from people promoting the scammers products. They may be customers who bought those "scam" products or they may have not bought those products. In either case, the majority of the money you make does not actually come from the creators of those "scam" products but from unsuspecting people who are just trying to make money, but may have been taken in by products which are no good. And in addition to that you are driving more and more traffic to the very same scammers product pages.

You say in your "about" page, that you will not place any direct links to any of the sites that you are reviewing because you don't want them to get any traffic. Kind of defeats the purpose if you are giving them traffic anyway through the ads. At the same time you are taking money off the advertisers who in most cases will not be the product owners.

I am not trying to turn the tables. I am asking you to apply your moral ethics with as much scrutiny to how and from who you take your money as you do with others. If you did and did it with such scrutiny there wouldn't be too many ethics in how you make your money either.

I am not criticising you for doing what you are doing. Hey, you are in it for the money like everyone else. Just asking you to be consistent in applying your moral ethics with the same level of scrutiny.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:45
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Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7
I just want to thank rommo. You have inspired me to start my own blog about the times that I have been scammed. Not to mention that I have learned some neat techniques through PROFIT LANCE on how to drive traffic and promote my blog as well.

Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7
I will also be blogging about my good experiences that I have had. And discussing what works, or has worked for me.


I hope you do. I would be happy to visit your blog. I could use some positive experiences.

Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7
A side note, this will be review of programs that I have joined and put in solid effort to make it work but failed. Not a review of program sales pages.


Sales pages say a lot. Much of a products credibilty lies in the way its marketed. Its the same thing with infomercials. Why do you think people dont trust them. Sometimes I buy a product and provide and in depth review and sometimes I can tell if its a waste of time without buying a product.

OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 12:51
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Quoting: rommo
Sometimes I buy a product and provide and in depth review and sometimes I can tell if its a waste of time without buying a product.


I think we have made some progress . I do agree with you in that sense. I have seen plenty of survey programs and type at home business that all look very similiar.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 13:04
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makemoneyonline et al...

A newbie looking over the various choices out there for the "make money on-line" set. I currently have a site (5 yrs) that gets 4-5 K clicks a month and was wondering how I might better utilize this activity, perhaps in conjunction with the PL program. I'd be interested in hearing any thoughts out there.

Thanks in advance.

Bill

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 13:34 · Edited by: rommo
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Quoting: dimave
You say in your "about" page, that you will not place any direct links to any of the sites that you are reviewing because you don't want them to get any traffic. Kind of defeats the purpose if you are giving them traffic anyway through the ads.


Interesting thought. Maybe I should clarify that in my about page for those people who confuse ads with direct links.

You're nitpicking.

Quoting: dimave
Just asking you to be consistent in applying your moral ethics with the same level of scrutiny.


I find it interesting how you are trying to morally equate my blog with "review" sites based on the type of ads on my site.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 14:41
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Just purchased the $67. Still reading through the material. Pretty interesting stuff.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 16:05
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internet doofus what are your first impressions of the site.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 16:22
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You mean as far as content or design?

I'll answer both.

The content is great. There is tons of information to go through which have been helpful to me as far as understanding the different ways of making money through the internet. The next for me is to implement those things.

As for design. It's not bad, but it's not a greatly designed site. It gets the job done though and it really doesn't bother me and I'm a Graphic Designer by profession.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 17:52
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it is nice to see that you are pleased with the sites content and i wish you all the luck

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 18:24
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The members area for Profit Lance compared to other members areas I have been in, is way better. A lot more organized, a lot more REAL content, a lot more instruction, and a lot better layout.

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# Posted: 14 Mar 2007 20:36
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I have to say that after reviewing the product I am overly impressed with the program. While I do have some issues with the program, it does provide a wealth of helpful and useful information. I will be writing a detailed review and posting in the next day or so.

For everyone who is surprised by this comment, I just want to say that I said repeatedly that the post on my blog was preliminary and based on the content of the website (sales page) not the product.

If you're thinking about purchasing the product remember you could always get a refund through clickbank if you have any issues with it. Clickbank has an exceptional and prompt return policy.

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# Posted: 15 Mar 2007 00:14
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That's good stuff rommo. I just get worked up when someone puts something down that I believe is a useful product. Profit Lance is far better than it's so called competitors.

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# Posted: 15 Mar 2007 01:35
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The only thing I think can be improved by the program is more direction as to where you should start. A lot of people are getting lost because they don't know if they should start with the projects section, or the ebooks or video tutorials.

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# Posted: 15 Mar 2007 01:36
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Quoting: rommo
I have to say that after reviewing the product I am overly impressed with the program

See, now do you know why I am talking so highly about it on here? I'm not just trying to make sales. Its a great program.

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# Posted: 15 Mar 2007 09:20
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Quoting: makemoneyonline
The only thing I think can be improved by the program is more direction as to where you should start. A lot of people are getting lost because they don't know if they should start with the projects section, or the ebooks or video tutorials.

That's kind of the boat I'm in right now. I'm not really sure where I should start. I'm trying the Adsense thing, but Google still hasn't crawled my site. I'm thinking about diving into Adwords soon. We'll see.

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# Posted: 16 Mar 2007 06:38
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Internetdoofus, personally I tried to read as much as I could to take notes and just get the whole thing understood in my head. Everyone has different styles. I like to grasp things before doing. But thats just my style. Other people like to jump in and learn from the experience. I think I know a lot now and just getting ready to choose a few areas to explore.

Why don't you just email profit lance and ask for advice? I've done that a few times when I couldn't understand certain things and got prompt responses.

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# Posted: 16 Mar 2007 11:53
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thanks, dimave. I think I'll do that

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# Posted: 17 Mar 2007 12:18
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Quoting: netjunkie
I think people want to know how valid is the
information within and the bottom line - the results
created by that information and not the success
people have from promoting the product itself.


Thats a good point netjunkie. Personally I think the information is top notch. I think I would never have understood internet marketing in the way that I have with this product. That in itself is a great result considering that I bought products before and still had no idea how to make money online or set up an online business.

I have a few business ideas based on some personal interests. With the marketing knowledge gained from profit lance I think in I am in a good position to get them off the ground.

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# Posted: 17 Mar 2007 13:26
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Quoting: dimave
I have a few business ideas based on some personal interests. With the marketing knowledge gained from profit lance I think in I am in a good position to get them off the ground.


I have not yet purchased the PL system but I think I will this week. At any rate, I currently have a site (I manufacturer all of the products on the site) that consistantly gets 4,000 to 5,000 clicks a month. Can I use the PL system to actually generate an income from this activity?

Bill

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# Posted: 17 Mar 2007 13:50
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PS.... It seems that the Overture Bid Tool is no longer available.

(http://www.webmasterworld.com/yahoo_search_marketing_overture_ppc/324 7946.htm)

From what I've seen, however, that's just one of the sources of research.

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