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imcrazy
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2007 08:00
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I am a newbie Internet Marketer doing my "due dilligence" on Profit Lance. I'd like to hear from anyone using this system who can give me an idea on the following :-
1) Initial sign-up costs
2) Does this work outside of the US (Im in the UK)
3) What are the ongoing costs likely to be (Adwords costs money, right!)
4) Is it still being updated and supported - all of us need help at some point, question is, IS ANYBODY THERE?
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 00:37
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Initial sign up cost: $67 dollars and thats all you have to pay.
2. it works anywhere. I'm in canada.. it doesn't matter.
3. Adwords costs depends. I spend 10 dollars a day and make over 100 in return.
4. Regular updates!
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OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 10:53
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Quoting: makemoneyonline Adwords costs depends. I spend 10 dollars a day and make over 100 in return.
Hey makemoneyonline,
So you are spending $10 a day for adwords advertising. I was thinking about spending about that much has well. However, I was a little nervous and not sure if I would make a good return. You say your making over 100 in return. Exactly how much is that, I mean $100 a day or $100 a week? Thanks, you help is appreciated.
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 11:45
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Hi, I make about $100 dollars from every $10 dollars i spend on adwords, so I make this on a daily basis. I set my daily budget to 10 dollars, and my ad stops running after that. I'm consistantly making about 100 dollars every day with only this one ad campagne. It depends on how well your landing page converts into sales. Some people spend hundreds on adwords a day and don't make 1 sale. Just set your daily budget low to start and test test test!!! 
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OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 13:52
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Hey makemoneyonline,
So I have been spending a small amount on Adwords, testing my ads, to see how many conversions I get. So far I haven't made any conversions. I have tried playing around with the keywords and created different ads but still no luck. What would be your recommendations?
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sugarkat
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 18:33
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I also haven't ventured into adwords. I was trying to see what free advertising I could use for the moment. But 10 into 100 is great! Congrats.
Does clickbank directly take the money out of your bank account, or do they just subtract it from your bi-monthly statement?
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 22:01
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OnlineMoney24 7- I don't mean to be nosey, but what are you promoting?
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 22:02
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How many clicks did you get before testing a new ad?
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inter
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2007 23:32
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Hai makemoneyonline,
Which website you advertise to make 100 dollars per day. Is it www.profitlancereview.info.
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OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2007 00:55
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Quoting: makemoneyonline OnlineMoney24 7- I don't mean to be nosey, but what are you promoting?
Profit Lance of course. With some of the ads I didn't get any clicks, then I changed it up and got a few clicks. And from there I created new ads that got more clicks, but still no conversions.
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rommo
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2007 14:36
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OnlineMoney24 7,
Let me get this straight, you bought Profit lance and now you are promoting the product to make affiliate commissions? That doesnt sound so honest.
Its sounds exactly like a MLM operation. Buy into it and make money getting other people to sign up. For that I need to buy the profit lance course?
Makemoneyonline,
Have you actually bought the product or are you just making money selling the product through your website?
Just a bit of advice for people visiting this forum. Steer clear from anyone telling you how great a product is if they have a link in their signature selling the product. These guys make a good commission for every product they sell through their site. The product pays out $33 commission for every sale. Thats 60% of the sale price.
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OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2007 16:40
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Quoting: rommo Let me get this straight, you bought Profit lance and now you are promoting the product to make affiliate commissions? That doesnt sound so honest.
I don't see why that is not honest. Profit Lance is a comprehensive course with a lot of step-by-step instruction on how to start making money online. It's not like similar sites, which just give you an ebook for your investment.
The site is constantly updated with new material and the site owner is very easy to contact and has fast replies (usually within a day).
And I would definitely prompt a program that I am benefiting from and have more people join up and get the same benefits.
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Sig
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2007 19:47
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Quoting: rommo Steer clear from anyone telling you how great a product is if they have a link in their signature selling the product.
Better stear clear from this person. He has a link in his signature.
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2007 01:22
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Quoting: rommo Makemoneyonline, Have you actually bought the product or are you just making money selling the product through your website?
Yes- I have purchased the profit lance system.. along with dozens and dozens of other systems. Profit lance is the only one i've had success with. Also, I use the profit lance system to make 100 dollars a day and thats NOT by promoting profit lance to other people. Quoting: rommo That doesnt sound so honest.
How is that not honest?
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dimave
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2007 12:03 · Edited by: dimave
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Just quoting here what the author says in the profitlance members area:
The Profit Lance Affiliate Program
Important! - I want to get a few things straight first...
Promoting our product is not the way that we are teaching you to make money!
It is a fundamental part of successful online marketing to have your own affiliate program when you are selling your own product. Thus, we have an affiliate program, like the vast majority of other vendors.
However, you should only promote our product if you are equipped with the skills and know-how. This course teaches you the skills in order to promote any affiliate programs and to be successful in online marketing in general. Your success does not depend on promoting our product, and this is not how you make money with our course, and nor is this the actual selling point of our course.
This course is to teach you a variety of essential skills and to make you multi-disciplined. I don't want you to get excited and focus just on making a quick buck or two. I really want you to understand and acquire and develop the long term skills that are behind every successful marketer's success. That is the real asset.
So what I am saying is, if you are someone who has the knowledge and ability, you are free to promote our product. If not, I suggest you learn as much as you can to get a good grasp and begin to develop skills.
I am telling you this, because I want you to make money - not lose money. Many people get excited and think they can just throw a few ads and the money will come in. Its a bit more involved than that. Hence, my advice to you to learn - and then act, not the other way around!
I actually find profitlance to be one of the most honest and genuine products out there. Its all up front and you can strongly feel that the guy wants you to learn and be successful. I get this throughout the whole course.
I haven't promoted profit lance. But I'm pretty much clued up now on the whole affiliate marketing process. And also the importance of research and how to do it before doing ANYTHING online.
I joined the wealthy affiliate program too, but will probably cancel it. They strongly encourage members to promote the wealthy affiliate products (i.e. wealthy affiliate, beating adwords, inside the list) etc., and they hold competitions to see which of their members can sell the most. Its a good membership area but you won' t learn what you can learn with profitlance.
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sugarkat
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2007 23:05
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Well, I see rommo's drummed up some drama on Profit Lance, to which I must say, seems purely a tactic to draw others to the refuge of his/her "honest" website. I hardly think, rommo, that you can honestly make a valid argument based on a mere landing page.
The thing that got ME to buy Profit Lance was this forum and the fact that I could find REAL people talking about this and not just sales letters.
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htmlview
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2007 01:35
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Michael Andrew will send you an email once a week giving you additional tips and tricks. From what I have seen, it is a good program. I made some money, but I have been lazy recently and have not made anything the last week. With Profit Lance you will have to put in around 2 hours of work a day.
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2007 14:58
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Thank you sugarkat. The reason people come to this forum is to find out the honest truth about some of these money making programs. I personally am not here to promote scams, I am here to talk with others, warn people of some of the scams I have found, and share some of the better programs I have found.
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Hemjoe
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2007 16:41
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It was this forum like sugerkat that really persuaded me as i was unsure. It was also people like makemoneyonline who have really helped me on the way and given more experienced guidance. So like they said and i back them up that the forum is here to help people not to promote.
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rommo
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# Posted: 10 Mar 2007 23:44
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Quoting: sugarkat Well, I see rommo's drummed up some drama on Profit Lance, to which I must say, seems purely a tactic to draw others to the refuge of his/her "honest" website.
Ok my site is dishonest. I made up all the information on profit lance and all the other products I've reviewed. Fine.
Though, a bit more honest than drawing people to my site to sell them a product.
Quoting: sugarkat I hardly think, rommo, that you can honestly make a valid argument based on a mere landing page.
Sure you can. The landing page tells all about his credibility. Right now he has none. I left out some other information on my post due to lack of time.
What about this line "So I've decided to offer a limited number of places before jacking up the price to at least twice what it is now." That is a typical marketing tactic used to get people to purchase the product now. I doubt he has any plan in raising the price. Ultimate Wealth Package has a very similar line on their site. They never raised the price.
His landing page is one big marketing gimmick. Full of half truths and misleading information. I dont believe for a moment he was scammed.
The bottom line is he's dishonestly marketing a product. That doesnt make it a scam though just really close.
I still plan on reviewing the product. So we'll see where I stand once I do so.
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2007 15:31
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Quoting: rommo His landing page is one big marketing gimmick. Full of half truths and misleading information.
How can you say this... YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BOUGHT THE PROGRAM! Everyone else here has had success with it... so don't start bashing profit lance until you've actually purchased it and tried it.
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dimave
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2007 17:37
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What I find amusing about rommo's review is that in essence he is saying, "the sales page looks like UWP so therefore I don't like it, its got to be a scam". He is also saying, "because it contains standard marketing techniques (like those covered by Cialdini in his famous persuasion book) therefore its a gimmick and not for real". Hardly a review.
I have never ever seen any body else do a review of a product based on the sales page, firstly, and secondly I have never found any one else judge a product on account of the similarity of its sales page and style to that of another product.
I do actually agree that the profit lance sales page can be made a lot better, because the product is really good and it deserves a better sales page. Its way above the other products so it should not appear to be the same as them from the sales point of view. I have that criticism.
But I lost trust in rommo's review as soon as I noticed him quoting cialdini's book. If rommo's ever had experience in marketing, he would have known that there are standard marketing strategies that are used the world over by all good marketers and that cialdini is a standard marketers handbook. All successful Marketers apply the principles in cialdinis book and rommo is finding fault with marketers for applying cialdinis book.
Because rommo appears to be on some sort of vendetta (judging from his other posts) I personally wouldn't place credibility in his review in this instance.
Also one other issue I have is rommo is not impartial and free from bias. Because he has adsense on his blog, he is clearly in it for the money and he's obviously looking for free traffic from this thread.
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2007 18:36
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amen to that Dimave.
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Sig
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# Posted: 11 Mar 2007 22:40
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Quoting: dimave Also one other issue I have is rommo is not impartial and free from bias. Because he has adsense on his blog, he is clearly in it for the money and he's obviously looking for free traffic from this thread.
Exactly my point earlier. He is a hypocrite.
Rommo - Post when you have bought the product and reviewed it.
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OnlineMoney24 7
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# Posted: 12 Mar 2007 01:11
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dimave - couldn't said it better if i tried.
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knicky
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# Posted: 12 Mar 2007 07:44
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The bottom line is, I have gone from no knowledge of affiliate marketing, to being decently educated, in a very short space of time. All from following the structured projects in profit lance. (Even though I've only made about $0.20 from AdSense to date lol.) I don't care about that though. The most pleasing aspect for me is - I now have the confidence to start building my own website, and the tools I need to drive traffic to it. I think its well worth investing in.
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imcrazy
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 09:26
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Quoting: makemoneyonline Initial sign up cost: $67 dollars and thats all you have to pay. 2. it works anywhere. I'm in canada.. it doesn't matter. 3. Adwords costs depends. I spend 10 dollars a day and make over 100 in return. 4. Regular updates!
Thanks makemoneyonline.
Does the Profit Lance system actually explain fully the why's and how's so that you become armed with the real knowledge required to be successful?
What I mean is, something like the below is simply not good enough
1) Search on Google Zeitgeist to find a niche, make sure it sells already -
To me this is the key, and I'd like someone to outline an in depth approch to how you narrow down to a specific niche. I realise there may not be an automatic formula here.
2) Setup some clever keywords
Keyword selection is still a mystery to me, I am aware of several techniques but most of it seems to be just trial and error. Does PL actually have any tried and tested points to make on this.
3) Watch the money come rolling in
Right, the bottom line, to me, this is where the most Bullsh@t is written. Again, what I am looking for is an indepth review on how you approach PPC etc to maximise initial costs and profit margins. I don't mind being told that you have to run some campaigns at a loss as part of an overall strategy, but I have never seen a product that really gets down to detail on this stuff.
Am I living in a dreamworld, or is this too much to ask for?
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rommo
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 11:05
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Quoting: dimave What I find amusing about rommo's review is that in essence he is saying, "the sales page looks like UWP so therefore I don't like it, its got to be a scam". He is also saying, "because it contains standard marketing techniques (like those covered by Cialdini in his famous persuasion book) therefore its a gimmick and not for real". Hardly a review.
It was a preliminary review and my impression of the sales page. I state that clearly in my post and I never said the product wasnt real. The purpose of the post was so people approach the product with caution instead of falling for his marketing tactics and buy right away.
Quoting: dimave Also one other issue I have is rommo is not impartial and free from bias. Because he has adsense on his blog, he is clearly in it for the money and he's obviously looking for free traffic from this thread.
1. Traffic is always nice. I'm sure our fellow posters here are doing the same.
2. Doesnt everyone have adsense on their blog. Would it be more noble for me to direct people to my site to sell them a product?
3. Why wouldnt I be free from bias?? What does having adsense on my blog have to do with not being free from bias? If a product is real than I'll say so. Like I said a million times I havent reviewed the product just the content of the site. You think people are paying me off for giving negative reviews. Think about what your suggesting.
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rommo
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 11:09
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Quoting: makemoneyonline amen to that Dimave.
Quoting: OnlineMoney24 7 dimave - couldn't said it better if i tried.
dimave is getting commendations from the two noblest people on this forum.
makemoneyonline is an affiliate for the product while onlinemoney24 7 is marketing one of the websites he got from profit lance which in itself is a scam. Online24 7 have you actually reviewed any of the products on your bogus site or is it something you got from profit lance and have no moral issues with marketing it as long as it makes you money?
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dimave
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# Posted: 13 Mar 2007 13:14 · Edited by: dimave
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Quoting: rommo Doesnt everyone have adsense on their blog
So the bottom line is that you are still in it for the money just like everyone else. Why did you not say that instead of making the excuse:
Quoting: rommo Doesnt everyone have adsense on their blog
Actually no they don't.
If you were so noble, I think you would be disturbed that on the same blog post you speak of other products in your reviews and class them as scams, you get adsense ads on the side directing visitors to those very same sites (and you get paid for that too).
Isn't that very moral. Within the standards of the moral framework that you are pushing here, this in itself could involve many counts of deception on your behalf. If you were so noble and concerned I am sure the level of scrutiny you apply in what you are doing would have alerted you to this fact.
There are lots of moral issues here and you are definitely not on any moral high ground so long as you making money from whatever you are doing.
I'd like to invite the rest of the participants on this thread to go and visit Rommo's blog. Then just move from post to post and take careful note of all the ads in the adsense blocks that you see. Almost every one has ads that are promoting what Ari would classify as a scam without any hesitation. I'm seeing one ad "Make �21,408 in 31 days", another one is a review site for Paid Surveys. Another ad is on getting rich through stock investment. Its a direct sales letter using what Rommo views as "marketing gimmicks" and dishonesty. Onto another page, now see "$1000 Cash in a Box". Another ad this time a review page promoting Rich Jerk and Ultimate Wealth Package. I see another one "How I earn �14,577 a week", and another one "He makes �2874 per day".
That's what makes Ari lack any credibility whatsoever, in fact its something to be laughed at.
Hold it, I can now see an ad for "Day Job Killer", and another home based business work at home review site. Just looking at the Danny's Scam Review Part II page now and guess what I can see at the top of the page at the start of the article, "Make $100,000 A Month. We will show you how to get RICH Right From Home!" Its an ad for internet million dollars. Now I can see another ad "Bugger all Cash eh? We can make you change that. Avoid the scams and make $3471 per day NOW." It goes to a rich jerk review site that promotes Rich Jerk, Forex, and Ultimate Wealth Package.
Nice one Ari.
Now if we judge by your moral framework, your whole website and every page is one big scam, so long as you are aware that these ads are on your pages and that you are making money from them. Which of course we all know that you are.
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