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matiasmommy
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 15:17
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Quoting: ibizniz Releases look great in person, but it's like being given keys to a burger franchise and told to get on with it, yet you haven't even had the basic training on how to flip the burgers (personally I dislike mine charred or frozen)
ROTFL! Actually, a perfect analogy...
You know, as do I- how many people get "taken" with the idea of buying a (highly questionable) release and being in the money instantly. It escapes me COMPLETELY how people think they can represent and stand behind a product they do not own or use, and how on earth they can learn to run a successful business entirely on their own without any training or support. A cd wouldn't cut it for ME, for SURE!
We all need a little help! I'm not going to say your director should do it all FOR you, and I'm not saying you can't learn the basics without re-inventing the wheel and then go on to put on your creative hat once learning the ropes. But, it seems to me just a little crazy to think you can buy a release, skip the training and support and somehow figure out against the odds (which are pretty steep starting ANY business in the first place) and generate a 6 figure income??
How would anyone consider saying "here buy this $$1295-$11,000 product which I do not own or use, and did not get any training on or about- I started my business for less then half that"??
I pity the people who do fall for that line- in my own experience a minority of them come forward after a time, scratching their heads and saying "gee, why aren't I making any money with this thing". Errrm... let me count the reasons why, friend! The sad thing is, how many people DO NOT have the vision and persistence to seek actual help, but instead remain scammed and cheated, having not done both quality and quantity research- and thus shed bad light not only on our great business but on home based business in general??
They are called TRAINING sales to earn a RELEASE for a REASON!!! Its simple, absolutely- but its NOT necessarily easy, or the very same for everyone- people have different backgrounds and experiences. Run away quick from anyone who tells you it is, and you can sit around with your feet up, go to bed poor and wake up rich because you put a website up on the internet. Its a REAL business, for REAL people- its SIMPLE but you do have to actually DO something to build a successful, profitable business, from home or elsewhere!
As an aside, I have never found a more realistically profitable business to start up in comparision to the capitol investment anywhere. Imagine how many lipsticks I would have to sell in Avon to earn what I do! There wouldn't be enough time in the day.
To your continued success!
Jani
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 16:27
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Hello
Exactly Jani.
I get so many calls from prospects who quote me prices they have seen on the internet...."
but Joe Blogs is selling the 3 releases and throwing his dog in for free for only $200"
and then proceed to ask whether I will match the offer. Well, sadly I don't have a dog to throw into the mix....
But seriously, you get what you pay for....and those $200 release merchants are worth only that. They can't teach you anything but how to sell useless pieces of paper for $200, and that is not the real coastal business.
Just today I have received 2 emails from people who had wasted their money on firesale directors (if they are even in coastal) and wished they had joined through the real channels.
Jani you probably also get this......but Joe Blogs over there in N.Y is a multi millionaire (earns over $1M/month) and the No.1 earner in Coastal and he is giving me a super deal.....
even tho no one has ever heard of Joe B. and he can not be found anywhere on the internet.
Before you believe any of the massive earning claims, do a search for the persons name. Afterall if the person you are wishing to join is indeed the #1 earner in coastal, surely someone somewhere would have written about the person as such.
Believe me, the ones who are making a million per year are probably selling websites, leads and coastal marketing tools.
But, coastal can be a real multi six figure income generator for anyone who wishes to pull up their socks and start working.
hope this helps
Maria
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 16:44
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In a nutshell there are some bad eggs. Many of us know who they are because we do get calls before the purchase and we bail out alot of people who have made a bad decision
It's a big red flagg if the person is not selling the memberships for the right price.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 17:45 � Edited by: linkmetro
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Jay,
How about the director who try to induce sale offering free stuffs?? 
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 18:29
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Hello Linkmetro
well, I do not think there is anything wrong with offering bonuses to a new member.
Any director should be able to offer free advertising or leads, plus with time should acquire tools for his/her own team members.
If you are not offering anything and you are finding that you losing sales to directors who do, I suggest you put together your own unique sales proposal, might take you a day to find wonderful unique items you can offer your members.
My free bonuses have worked well, because they are tools and items a new member needs....
who doesn't need websites, leads and training....
You sound when it is easy to be on the other side 
We are selling coastal but we are also selling our own unique talents and tools that we give as bonuses.
Hope this helps
maria
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 21:24
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Very well said Maria.
Anyone who watches the bonus video I have on my website will understand WHY the bonus pkgs are there. I'm putting the finishing touches on a new bonus for L2 and L3. I'll be traveling to my team members home to help them kick start their business or they'll have the option to do several other things as well, all designed to make more sales for my team members.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 09:33
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Quoting: ibizniz Any director should be able to offer free advertising or leads, plus with time should acquire tools for his/her own team members.
Yes- exactly! Give people things they NEED to assist them, and provide training.
I know- I get those calls too. You are right- I do have a dog, but I'm not throwing him in, and nor am I about making deals. The packages are ALREADY an amazing deal, just on their own. Not to mention, my time is valuable and I put a LOT of my personal time into training new associates, as does Pierre. Providing someone with extra bonus tools- that is something we do out of the goodness of our hearts, because we can. I certainly did NOT get any breaks when I started out my business to the tune of websites or lead packages, so its not necessary- just nice. I tend to use incentives only when someone is commited to staring their business, and debating the level to come in at. IF their concern is additional expenses, then I will tend to offer websites and leads, because I really want to see people starting higher and getting the bigger commissions right out of the gate.
I do have issues with trying to "entice" a sale- I want people to be looking at ME as a Director, and what I can offer them- not wanting to get some "free stuff" so they pick me over another director. The mindset, of choosing success and willing to commit to becoming successful- that is something that I look for and value in an associate. I would not want people comparing me to someone else and saying- oh, well I will go with that Jani person because she offers better toys as bonuses. That would tell me that they aren't necessarily business minded, long term thinkers or really seeing what I bring to the table as a director.
SUPPORT! That is what is really needed. Anything else is gravy IMHO.
Cheers
Jani
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# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 11:03 � Edited by: jnapier
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Quoting: matiasmommy well I will go with that Jani person because she offers better toys as bonuses. That would tell me that they aren't necessarily business minded, long term thinkers or really seeing what I bring to the table as a director.
LOL.... That's interesting because I chose to add the bonus items I offer from an Official Coastal Event AND since I'm recognized as a top income earner with Coastal it's not something I do as enticement at all. In fact, I'm now doing special trainings using the bonuses I offer.
I'm traveling to my new team members home and using the digital video camera, using the presentation equipment and even setting up the notebook computer for my Platinum Members with ContactTalk.
Jay NaPier
P.S. - You must not be upto date on what's going on in Coastal....or you might be spending your time differently Jani
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Quoting: jnapier You must not be upto date on what's going on in Coastal....or you might be spending your time differently Jani
I'm actually VERY up to date, Jay tyvm. I think its great that you are flying out to meet your team members! I know most people in this business (self included) could not make that commitment (I wouldn't want to impose a 2 year old on others, or stress her with flying that often), so I think its great that you are happy to do that.
I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. I certainly did not get any "bonuses" when I started my business, "official" tools or otherwise. I can say, now that I am standing on the other side of the fence, that NO tools would have added to my success, or improved upon my results- because my success came from WITHIN me- not from anything exterior. Point blank, I did the work, aided the the tools provided to me- but I still had to DO the WORK. My point is that I prefer to connect with people and truly find if they are a fit for me, and I for them, rather then have them pick up the phone because of bonuses I advertise. It cuts down on my time spent sorting. The approach I have chosen, works for me. I am happy to loose the many leads that I do with a non opt in site, because I know that those who DO get in touch with me, resonate with who I am and what I stand for. There is very often a "click" there. The people I am working with- every one of them- are people that I am proud to know, proud to develop, proud to stand by. I get so much joy from my business- and my financial success is a result, but truly not my primary and most valued reward.
I'm really glad that you have great marketing skills and know all about how to make sales. Most of us are happy, however- to be just average, everyday people making a very healthy income with our coastal businesses and not sales experts or marketing gurus. There are quite literally, THOUSANDS of everyday, normal people in Coastal- who quietly make a very good living with their businesses from the comfort of their homes. THOSE are the successes of Coastal- what volumes that speaks to me, (personally) about this wonderful opportunity. I'm all about being the BEST that I can be, and I know that I most certainly couldn't make the volume of sales that you do, train people they way I do and still have the personal time that I so highly value to live my life.
The reason that I started my Coastal business was to be a full time single parent to my now 2 year old daughter. I'm an attachment parent- which is a fancy way of saying that the way I have chosen to parent is very low tech and very time intensive. No strollers, cribs, bouncers, plastic or battery toys, tv, formula, disposable diapers, pacifiers, babysitters (until very recently) or jarred baby food has ever been in my house! Its a choice I made, and it was the very best choice for us. But I don't think anyone else parenting in more usual ways is a bad parent, or somehow inferior to me, or loves their kid less etc etc.
2 year olds, they aren't 2 forever, and they do take up a lot of time. I love EVERY minute of it, and I am blessed to have the time that I do AND not have to worry about money. So many parents, sadly, this day in age.. do NOT have that luxury. I value it highly.
I am living my dream life, just as I set out to do just over a year ago. Because of my Coastal business, I have moved to a 99 acre horsefarm, I have time to ride (I almost had a professional career as an equestrian prior to my car accident in 2002), and I get to do lots of fun things that I enjoy like cook (I'm a hobby gourmet) and garden (I have a passion for the elusive and fussy foxglove, as well as the testy eggplant- we will see if this summers TLC garners results next summer!), as WELL as run a successful business. I have Coastal to thank, I LOVE COASTAL- as do many other happy business owners.
Most recently, I put my daughter in a pre-school class locally, that teaches children through play in 4 different languages. She loves it, and placing the very high value on education that I do- I can tell you how delighted I am to have the opportunity to give her that gift for 6 hours a week- all the way up to grade 8 if she continues to thrive in that environment- otherwise I will continue to homeschool, as I do currently. I can tell you, I earned a six figure income in my previous incarnation- but I did not have the gift of time that I do now, and I did not have nearly as much FUN, nor as little stress at my job. For example Friday afternoon I was out building a snowman with my daughter and I started my Christmas baking-she "helped". Before my car accident, I would be out of the house at 6:30 am and home often around 9pm. I had to pay someone to walk my dogs- no way I would ever have the time to raise a child (in the way I want to, anyhow). Not to mention my plans to have another baby of the human variety in my life, hopefully in the next few years. (I'm expecting a foal here in the spring!)
I'm quite happy to make 5 figures a month, live my life the way I want and on my own terms and more then happy to have to luxury of spending time with my team members, whom I consider to be my extended family. I do know them that well, and I truly care about their success- as my success is a result of theirs. I don't make the many personal sales as you do- over 90% of my sales are now coming from my team members by way of training sales. I am loving that focus- it merely adds to my time freedom, as most of my calls are now scheduled.
Coastal is a business that allows people to acheive what I have. EVERYONE that is willing to do the work and follow a proven system- can achieve what I have- and MORE, if that is their own desire. To me, the whole point of this business is time, travel, money, freedom. Everyone has different goals and different needs. Not everyone has the desire to do what you do Jay, not everyone has the need to acheive what you have and posture as you do.
My opinion about this forum, is that it is a place to help others- not to flagratly advertise our virtues and acheivements and tout our own perceived superiority over other directors.
I do acknowledge your pride in your accomplishments, and realize that like me- you are passionate about what you represent and what you stand for.
I don't agree with many of your opinions and viewpoints, but I don't see the need to attack you at every turn. I merely wish to provide people with accurate, open, honest information from my own standpoint- IF they ASK for it (and most of what I do here is respond to PM's)- and not hide behind marketing tactics, or thump my chest and tout my self percieved superiority over other good and decent directors floating about this board who are representing systems I do not ascribe to.
My highest value is to come from service, Jay. That is what I do in all areas of my life, and thus how I spend my time. It is also why I make the choices that I do, and thus how I do spend my time. Over the years, I have found that this philosophy has served me very well, not just from the standpoint of my Coastal business.
Live and let live Jay- each of us brings something to the Coastal family that is unique, special and valuable to others. There are more then enough people who need and want a Coastal business for all of us to acheive our goals- fair and square, while serving their needs and truly showing them a way to live their lives on their own terms. It is NEVER about us- its about what we can do for others. If there was one "perfect" director for everyone, or one "perfect" system for everyone- no one would ever be able to get involved, contribute their own uniqueness and become successful themselves. Think about it, and what you are really telling people. There has to be room for change, for growth, for new up and comers. There has to be different systems- competition is absolutely critical to growth in any industry. I have seen the major changes to the BOD system in the past few years, and how they are now striving to come up to par, and provide all of us with new tools (we can all opt into the BOD system, after all- because we are ALL Coastal Vacations members)- and I am glad to see they are stepping it up a notch over there. It benefits ALL of us, when any of the groups improve upon their systems, because it means the groups are making an effort to serve their members needs more. Some people prefer Pepsi to Coke, some people prefer Fords to Land Rovers. Its because people are different, with different needs, different visions and values. No one would say, well Henry Ford developed the original car, and thus that is the official car and the only car folks should even consider driving. Mercedes drivers, like yourself- would seriously disagree! Fix Or Repair Daily- that comes to mind.
One thing I have learned is that there is NO SUCH THING as perfection. A born perfectionist, I have had to let go of the idea of perfect anything. The point, is to continually learn, evolve, grow, expand, innovate- improve upon. A long time ago, my (equestrian coach) said to me "practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect". The key word being PRACTICE. We practice all of the time, change and innovate- because if we are not growing- we are dying.
So I will be the first person to tell you- that I am not perfect at ANYTHING. I'm only human! But as a somewhat newbie to the field of Coastal Vacations- my results speak for themselves. I am here to tell people, that THIS IS POSSIBLE for ANYONE, regardless of where you are starting out from, what group or system you choose. It doesn't matter- there are successful people in ALL of the groups- if you do the work, learn the skills- YOU will be successful. Do you homework, ask questions, find a director who you resonate with, that will serve your needs- but do not make the critical mistake of thinking a SYSTEM will do it all for you (though some are more all encompasing then others), and be certain to keep in mind that marketing is the conjoined twin sist
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Special Report:
How to create maximum success in your Coastal Vacations business:
The importance of choosing the right director for YOU, and why duplicable success is absolutely critical.
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JadePeaks dot com
Congratulations for taking a serious look at Coastal Vacations! We understand that this is a very serious, life changing decision. Often, we are asked the same questions- how do you KNOW that your future director will be honest, genuine and helpful? How do you ensure you will get the support and training YOU need- that is unique to your own needs and situation?
Both Pierre and Jani looked very carefully at Coastal Vacations before they started their respective businesses in 2004 and 2006, respectively. Luckily, they both made the best decision for THEM- and have experienced both rapid and sustained success in their businesses. More recently, in July 2007 they merged their teams and started working together, in response to the need they recognized for strong personal one on one support and training to help new business owners in getting started in their new businesses successfully and the rapid growth of their respective teams.
The plain fact is this: much of what you will see on the internet these days is marketing. Now, there is nothing wrong with that- but- as a smart consumer, it is your responsibility to "read between the lines" as it were and really decide if the person you are considering working with as your director will be compatible with you and most importantly- guide and support you towards the sustained success you seek as a business owner.
Undoubtedly, you realize that there are many very successful people in the Coastal business. This business truly does change lives! But, as seasoned directors in our Coastal Vacations business, there are several things we know and "see" from the inside that many average consumers do not realize or question- until its too late and they have started their business with an unsuitable director. So, we thought that you would find value in your decision making process by providing you with some of our insight and experience. Sadly, on a seemingly daily basis, we are approached by Coastal business owners that are not seeing the success they were lead to expect, or simply can't get the necessary support and face time with their chosen Director. We do NOT want that sad situation to happen to YOU!
Again- we will never pressure you into starting your business, or even joining with us. We firmly believe that decision is yours to make, and would never want to pressure you into making it! Our commitment to you, is to simply provide you with the TRUTH! As they say- caveat emptoir (that is latin for buyer beware). We are NOT the only honest, hardworking and caring Coastal Vacations directors on the face of the planet- and we simply may not be right for YOU! Furthermore, YOU might not be right for US! We are successful because of the exceptional people we are working with- they seek us out and find us. If you decide not to work with us- we DO wish you well and are certain you will experience the success you are looking for if you consider a few simple tips when making that most critical decision about your business- WHO your director is and WHAT he/she stands for!
We do recommend that you print out this report, and take our advice when making your decision. You will not regret taking some serious consideration when you are picking your director: he or she will be your business partner, coach and mentor for many years to come. At Jade Peaks, our goal is to create a team of highly successful directors who carry on our vision- and ideally create more success then we have. Quite literally, our goal is to change the face of Coastal Vacations- change the success ratios and further the good reputation of this business. We lead by example. We believe that this business model and product has the proven power to not only revolutionize individual lives, but to affect the home based business industry and societies mis-conceptions and wrong perceptions of work at home entrepreneurs. The importance of your Director to your success and reputation simply can NOT be understated!
Questions to ask your potential director and points to consider:
Does your potential director answer their own phone? Do they respond to your e-mails and voicemails within a reasonable time frame? (24 hours)
Successful directors ARE busy- no doubt! But, reasonable response to your inquiries is a MUST. It will be very critical to you when you are running your business- you should be available to book appointments to work with your director within a 24-48 hour timeframe.
2)What is their marketing stance?
Lots of fancy cars, homes, cheques and claims of having it all on their website? Having a very LARGE team, and supporting them properly is very time intensive! IF he/she claims to be actively working with dozens of people in training and making lots of money while working only a few hours a day- ask yourself: how can that director help people get started properly? It might occur to you that this director makes MANY sales personally with their flashy website and smooth personality, and spends most of their time promoting themselves rather then teaching their team to duplicate! That might indicate to YOU that this person will be available to you and able to coach you individually in very limited quantity- if at all, and that the successful person you started your business under will NOT be teaching you how to DUPLICATE their amazing success. Ironically- it is that individual's success that appeals to your emotional centre- and WHY you wanted to work with them in the first place!
3)Does this person have a SOLID reputation and a PROFESSIONAL presence?
If you have ever had a job or hired and employee (especially a babysitter for your children)- you KNOW the importance of this! Think about it- you are HIRING a director to teach you how to be a successful business owner. You are PAYING THEM 1/3 upfront to teach you what you need to know and do! There are a few things you can do to verify this persons reputation, and help insure they are the right person to guide and support you with your new business. First off- do a google search online for their first AND last name, as well search their first and last name with the words "coastal vacations". IF that person seems unstable within Coastal or business opportunities in general- bouncing from system to system, business to business, representing more than Coastal Vacations (one director we know of sells everything under the SUN- including vitamins!) or having any valid sounding complaints be wary! If you have a good connection and feeling about this person- and there is something you find that bothers you- ASK THEM about it, and listen carefully to the answer. Unfortunately, in this competitive world, there are some very good Directors out there that have had negative comments made about them- often based on jealousy and even sometimes by competitive business owners "posing" as dis-satisfied clients. Ask to speak with team members they are either training currently or have released- BOTH- ideally, as this will give you an idea of how consistent they are. Your director might have released someone 6 months ago, built a much larger team in the meantime and now changed training mediums or simply not have enough time. The new system might not duplicate as well- quite possibly a yellow flag. As they say, getting to the top is relatively easy in comparison to staying there! If your prospective director is new and doesn't yet have a team and/or released directors, ask if you can speak to THEIR director, get a reference from that person, and then do your homework on THAT director, find out who they have trained and associated with, and what results and reputations those individuals enjoy. IN GENERAL- like attracts like, and good, ethical Coastal Directors tend to be found together. So- if you connect well with a newly released Director, like and respect who trained them- and find that the more senior director has good ethics and happy team members- chances are those values and skills will be passed down to you- again, the importance of duplication. As an added bonus, your "brand new" director will have lots of TIME for you, and will tend to be very determined to solidify their reputation by putting "extra" effort into YOUR new business. "Big Name" directors with huge teams and large incomes often tend to be GREAT at sales, and low on duplication. Unless you are a born salesperson, marketing and computer savvy and willing to learn by trial and error exclusively- do think twice! Do not fault a new director for being new- YOU will be there one day too! Instead, if you feel good about them- look for a quality Coastal "bloodline"- their more experienced, seasoned director(s) will have passed to them valuable experience and knowledge which YOU will capitalize on! Good directors remain available to their team- which includes released, independent directors- with that connection in place, you will have support and answers for your questions both on an individual basis and also through your groups system wide resources.
4) Some people will tell you to ask your potential director questions about how many directors they have released, if they own their own home, make 6 figures etc etc. You might consider that one day YOU will be a new director! You won't yet have a thriving team or have bought a new car or moved into a swanky new neighbourhood. The absolute beauty of this business is that by following a simple, proven system anyone can BE successful, and relatively quickly. Instead, you might ask your potential director questions that help you get to know their values, vision and ethics more clearly:
Some ideas might be:
What do you find to be most rewarding about your Coastal business?
What long term goals do you have for yourself?
What vision and objectives do YOU have for your business in the next year and why?
What do you think are important qualities for Coastal Director to posses
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(continued, and copied from the website)
What accomplishment are you most proud of in your business?
What is the biggest challenge you have faced in your business, and how did you overcome it?
What do you see as your biggest success in your life so far?
What do YOU look for in a quality team member?
Why did you decide to start your Coastal Vacations business?
What do you do for fun, when you are not working your business?
5) The next thing to consider- how PROFESSIONAL is this person? Do you consider it appropriate to degrade another individual or group- even IF they are your competition? Do you consider it professional to spread rumours, some even will tell outright lies to garner your business. There are expert marketers out there who write defamatory articles against competitive groups or businesses and publish them far and wide on the internet as a marketing tactic. We are with the CSG- and most recently several vociferous individuals who have extensive internet marketing presence whose own PERSONAL objectives for gain were not being met with the CSG decided to start a smear campaign against based on cleverly disguised half truths. This was an appeal to garner themselves MORE business- but in the end, their reputations have suffered gravely, because they did not remain professional or even entirely honest- and their short term gain is resulting in long term loss. Ironically, these same individuals are trying to stand on their "reputations", success, and some of the other tactics mentioned in this report to attract their sales. It is very true that there are LESS then ideal or ethical directors out there- and usually they have very strong internet presence-they make their incomes based on QUANTITY marketing exposure, not by truly being interested in helping others. Think of it like fishing in a big pond with lots of fish in it- you are bound a catch many if you use fancy bait. Do not forget, there are literally thousands of successful, ethical directors in Coastal that you will NEVER hear of, because they simply plug into their system and have no need or interest to be all over the internet with advertising. There are some fairly unpleasant individuals running MacDonald's restaurants too! It's a fact of life- there are some bad apples out there, everywhere you go- usually they are the loudmouths with charismatic personalities. But, if you smell smoke RUN- follow your instinct- chances are it is right. Think with your head, and don't let someone appeal to the pie in the sky greedy side of your ego. There is no benefit to YOU in asking the person you are speaking with about another director you are considering- unless you LIKE negativity or really want to hear a sales pitch! If you must ask the person you are speaking to about another system, group or individual- decide for yourself if their response was honest, genuine, non self ingratiating, respectful and professional. We are ALL representing COASTAL VACATIONS- and in our humble opinion, it does not serve the integrity or reputation of this business to be less then professional at all times. You can be successful with Coastal wherever you land- but you will seriously increase your chances and ease your path when you have face time with your chosen director, resonate well with them, and a duplicable, simple, comprehensive system behind you. The Director you are speaking with should clearly demonstrate an interest in YOUR needs, and answer your questions clearly and honestly. If they are busy promoting themselves, their background, their accomplishments and posturing their superiority over the "rest" of the Coastal world- ask yourself what this persons true intentions are! If you do decide to work with them and successful obtain your release- do you want to be in direct competition with your Director (because if that is his/her tactic for making sales, you will have to duplicate it to have similar success!) or "trade" on their name? It should occur to you that you have your OWN strengths and values to bring to the table, and that your Director should assist you in developing and promoting your unique skills and talents. Where your natural strengths tend to be, is also often where your passions are. Wouldn't it be nice to LOVE running your business and working with people who resonate with you on a daily basis? Following your dreams and passions and bringing your own uniqueness to your business? That is what your Director should be teaching and supporting you in, in our humble opinion!
6) Beware of the "expert" director. That is the one who had YEARS of valuable and related experience before starting his/her own Coastal Business- this person stands on that experience or previous life experiences as giving them an "edge" with Coastal vacations. Chances are, YOU do NOT have years of experience- so how on earth are you going to be able to duplicate that persons results? Its OK to have lots of experience, or even varied, related experience before starting your business. BUT- if that expert stands on their amazing background, chances are they have become successful based ON that existing expertise NOT by following exclusively a proven system, and in turn become expert at teaching that system to average, everyday people that have an entrepreneurial spirit and the all important desire to become successful. It is important to remember, that one of the most wonderful things about this business is that ANYONE from any background can be successful- IF they plug into a simple, proven system and have the training and support necessary from their director in order to learn successfully how to do that! The point of having a system, is duplicability! If it is not duplicable- RUN!
7) Lastly, beware of the director that sounds "too good to be true". There are individuals online who offer the product routinely "on special" at steeply discounted prices and/or provide amazing seeming bonuses (video cameras, projection systems, cameras, laptop computers etc etc) as sign up bonuses. Ask yourself- if this person must entice people to join his/her business by cutting out so much of their profit- and thus undervaluing both the product, the business model and THEMSELVES- are they really focused on training you and honouring the reputation of our good business? Presumably, they make lots and lots of sales- again how can they properly train all these people? When you are a new director- are you going to be able to afford to duplicate this incentive tactic and still be able to afford to be in business for the short and long term? At least 50 years before the birth of Christ, the Roman statesman, philosopher, and orator, Marcus T. Cicero, said, "As you have sown so shall you reap." You might fare well to remember ancient wisdom!
In summary- choosing the right director to work with comes down to 3 simple guidelines:
1) Do you feel good about this person? Do you communicate easily and comfortably with them? Do you resonate with their personal and business values and ethics?
2) Does this person "talk the talk" AND "walk the walk"- do you see consistency in their track record when you research them online, if they have an internet presence? If you find something that raises a yellow flag- can you approach them easily and is their response both genuine and reasonable? Can their team members and/or colleagues speak to their good reputation and track record? Do they appear to be more interested in helping people or making sales? We believe that it is by helping people get started successfully, teaching them to duplicate and focusing on assisting them in making their training sales that we will see financial gain (hence the term "training sale" - meaning that "training" must take place with your Director). Taking on new team members on our own takes a backseat to our existing team that are getting started! We believe this is how it SHOULD be- our team members are our priority! Just as we teach that new prospects take a backseat to existing and interested parties to our team members in training-we preach what we teach. This is VERY IMPORTANT!
3) Do you both want to duplicate this persons results and business model? Can you? Most importantly- is this person genuinely interested in showing you the way to success- are they going to train you to do exactly what they do, and also support you in our own uniqueness to bring your own assets to your future team members- or are they interested in making a sale and not teaching you how to fish in the world of free enterprise as they do? If they do have an internet presence, are they plugged into a SYSTEM- did they experience their initial success because of that system and do they plug into it still and teach their team members how? Do they work with their team personally, one on one? Do they answer their phone personally, and respond to voicemails or emails in a reasonable time frame? Do they show consistency and honour with their chosen group and system- or do they hop around, blowing in the wind- seeming to always be looking for a better mousetrap?
We hope that you have found this information to be both valuable and insightful as you prepare to start your Coastal business. We wish you tremendous and sustained upcoming success and welcome you to be in touch with us should you have any questions or comments.
Jani Teeter and Pierre Trudeau
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Coastal Synergy Group
Founders of Jade Peaks Coastal Mentoring
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So.. everyone- please do comment if you feel this report is somehow dishonest or hateful. My intention in writing it on October 7th of this year, was to educate the consumer, and encourage independant thinking. Not to target other independant directors in our generally very upstanding, ethical and good business.
I get calls every day from people who have made choices that were not right for THEM- too often it is the result of a misleading director, sometimes its just a matter of a poor fit. I think that is a very sad situation, but- I must state that if they had employed more critical thinking before they got started they most likely would not have struggled with those obstacles.
If you are a director, or in any other group- would you feel our viewpoint is accurate and honest?
Aside from Jay, I have got nothing but good feedback about it. Many people have emailed me and thanked me for writing it- it helped them be sure about the director they were considering-NOT (always) US! At the regional event in Vancouver the CSG held, I had many "newbies" that I did not know or work with recognize me, and come up and thank me for my website. Again, it helped answer their questions. The primary point of my website is NOT as a sales or marketing tool- I wish for it to be an information portal. Just open, accurate and abundant information. Now, I could be wrong. But I would hope that if you were/are offended for some reason, you would approach me personally rather then attack me publically. I am happy to listen, correct or change if appropriate, and appologize if anyone is personally offended by my sharing my experiences and insight. Again, I am NOT perfect, I am human. I am more then willing to be accountable if I have offended or made any kind of mistake- even though unintentional.
Thanks!
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# Posted: 25 Nov 2007 16:02
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Jani -
Speechless. Just incredibility well written. And a perfect bulls eye!!!!
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Thank you Bob. It was my intention to come from the heart and always, in service. I do hope that you found it also helpful!
I sincerely appreciate your support! Again, I was rather confused when it was called hateful. I try to keep an open mind and an open heart in all things. Each to his own, I guess. Perception is reality.
Jani
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Hello guys
well let me have the last word, Jani and Jay (it's my Birthday today).
You are both great directors, but this is not the ideal venue to vent obviously deep rooted mistrusts of each other Jani and Jay.
There are plenty of directors to choose from, there are plenty of reasons why a person would choose one director over another.
We are all unique in our own way, and there are plenty of fish in the sea.
I think we should move on from this topic guys.
Just my 2 cents worth
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# Posted: 25 Nov 2007 18:27
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Happy Birthday Maria. 
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Happy Birthday Maria!
I absolutely agree with you! That is exactly the point I was trying to make. This is not intended as a forum to market or to vent, and everyone has unique skills and values that they bring to the table. You are a great director yourself, and you know as well as I or anyone else that every person has different needs and ideals. I would hope that if anyone did have anything to say to me, they would PM me. Again, it is not now, or was it ever my intention to vent, offend or attack. I certainly had no intentions of attacking Jay, or anyone else for that matter.
It was my birthday last wednesday. I hope you had a very happy one!
Onwards and Upwards!
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Thank you Rhonda
I had a lovely Birthday (51 today) so I should be a little wiser hey?
I have spent most of the holiday working on my new computer, love the 24inch screen, not sure about Vista tho", it is already rejecting some of my software so I have had to purchase the newer versions, but I know I will love it when I get used to it.
Happy birthday to you Jani for last Wednesday.
I totally agree with you Jani, PM's are the way to go rather than public discourses.
We all have our own talents and ways of learning, one size does not fit all.
The other thing is that the internet is long in tooth, you can not erase a published comment, probably ever.......
Hope this helps
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Quoting: ibizniz I have spent most of the holiday working on my new computer, love the 24inch screen, not sure about Vista tho",
Happy Birthday Maria. Yea...I'm not a fan on Vista at all. I bought a Dell M 2010 back in February. Oh, what a fun ride this has been. New hard drives (this bugger has 2 of em) New memory and lost alot of data. My advise to anyone getting a new computer is to get it with XP.
I agree this is not the place for a bunch of BS, childish games. What I find most interesting is that Jani came here and began specifically making comments about bonuses.
Either way, it doesn't matter in about 30 days things are going to change in a big way. I DON'T THING Jani even knows what's coming. She's got some big decisions coming her way and she's going to find that her team won't be very eager to follow the csg.
Jay NaPier
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Quoting: matiasmommy our MAC is going to be reality based and upgraded 2 versions, that regional events will be monthly and simultaneously in multiple locations accross the country at once,
Ok, Jani so you either don't know or are not willing to tell. Either way...these things mentioned here are obvious based upon what the CSG is doing. Wonder what they are going to call themselves??
Jay NaPier
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What's the big shake up in the CSG gonna be? If anyone knows, spill it...
When people use the internet to generate leads, there are all kinds of methods and directors trying to attract leads into their funnels and sphere's differently.
So.. to each his own.
My methods worked great for me, terrible for my team.
Good marketers and copywriters can really sell their benefits and bonuses and get more sales than plain jane copy can anyday, but in the end is it duplicatable? Probably no.
that is why I do not offer any bonuses anymore.
All I do is teach one duplicatable model which is in my opinion the easiest and fastest to have success with, but also take much patience.
I used to write copy which attracted the bonus seeker.
Jani writes copy for the non bonus seeker and it works for her like the bonus offers worked for me.
As Maria said, there are many fish in the sea or many pebbles on the beach for all of us to pick up with whatever method we chose.
For me, everything has to be duplicatable now... or the more it's not duplicatable, the more my people will be stuck and not be able to do what I do.
The more you throw on people the more you dilute them.
Took me years to realize all this, but it's the way my eyes see things now.
I'll still do internet marketing for my own lead generation, but I dont teach or train my Coastal team on that anymore.
I have my life back now, and am no longer a slave to my team at every beck in call, I have a system that teaches the one way of doing business over and over so I don't have to...
Coastal continues to offer me the freedom to make a living.
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Ahhh.. Jeff!
The voice of reason! I was so glad to hear of your most recent news! I am glad to hear that it seems to be working out for you!
I do love that duplicability too, as well as a system! You hit the nail on the head- I made my first 6 exclusively with the CSG MAC system, and I still use it and teach it to this day.
I loved "the more you throw on people, the more you dilute them". EXACTLY! KISS! Its a real business, there is a LOT to learn for most people, if like myself coming from no previous experience. Stick with the basics, and once those are mastered- then kick up your heels and experiment with non duplicable (but creative and FUN!) stuff! Bang on Jeff!
My website.. well truth be told- its a hobby, not really a lead generation source per see- but it takes a back, back seat to the MAC system. I would not ever discourage anyone from having a website.. but, truth be told internet marketing is a labour intensive skill to learn, its constantly changing and in some ways, much more expensive and "risky". At least buying leads, one KNOWS they have "x" number of people to speak to!
I love Coastal! Its wonderful what it does to improve upon so many peoples lives!
Jani
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 07:53
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Wow Jeff well said and so true!
Have a blessed week.
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Out of the mist comes a voice of reason. Yet he is with another group. Why is it that the masses are not pelting him with stones? Coastal Vacations allows us to choose our direction, make our own goals and live life the way we want to. It is truely a tremendous opportunity.
Jani, that post on your site is dynamite. It offers insight that a prospective member should read prior to joining.
Jay, this is how a leader is treated. He is not my director. I can honestly say that he has been truely helpful at every turn. You can see how other directors in this forum respect him. He simply asks a question and offers insight. Notice how he had nothing bad to say about anyone or any group. He also does not have to call himself a leader.
People can find the leader in the crowd. He is not the one on the soap box thumping on his chest at every opportunity, nor is he the one with the sign saying "Successful Director pick me". He is the person that people look to for direction and guidance.
These are the qualities that successful person should have as well as a Successful Coastal Director. At some point you have to ask yourself are these the qualities that I have or want to have.
Perhaps during this holiday season we could all reflect on our success' and our failures. Coastal has given us all a tremendous opportunity yet as witnessed in this forum we are not highlighting the positive nature of our business but the shortfalls. Lets think of this as a wake up call and try to improve on ourselves as well as our business without doing it at someones expense.
Best Wishes for the Holiday Season
Bill Decker
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 13:35
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Bill, to each their own. Best of success to you.
JN
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 13:48
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Thanks Jay and all the best to you and your family over the holidays.
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Hiya Jeff
nice to see you here again.
One thing I have against all these automated systems is that they require you to purchase leads (if you do not know how to drive traffic to your sites), this is true of CSG, ContactMate, offical coastal system, DFIlive etc
The problem I have with this is that the leads are way overpriced for the quality of the leads. Most of the companies are lead brokers, reselling leads on at a profit.
As with the great gold rush, the ones who made the money were the ones selling the tools and this is true of most of the afore mentioned "systems".
I noticed Jeff that you moved on from WCYS to DFIlive. Looking at the DFI back office it really appears no different to most of the other systems out there, and it appears that you can only load leads into the system from the approved resources. It also appears that you can not download the leads from the system should you want to leave the system in the future. So the leads would stay behind unless you wanted to manually take notes on each one?
Maybe I am wrong, but this looks like a win win situation for the system developers and lead company once again and not so good for the little guy.
My other peave is why should these replicated sistes cost $49.95/mo, they are just replicated. They could easily have a price tag of $20 or much less, there is no reason to milk the user as most of these systems want to do. If they really care about the little guy, ( DFI say they are Christian and proud of it, they should set an example) they should start with showing it with the prices. Bandwidth is cheap.
Yes it's OK to buy leads for those who do not know how to generate them for themselves, but only allowing certain lead companies? (I know that everyone is going to say, but we know where the leads come from and this is to safeguard us against spam complaints) but is this really the truth?
There has to be a better and cheaper way for the masses to generate their own prospects and to make sales on a consistent and calculating basis, without having such a huge learning curve, weeks and even months of training by the upline and without stepping on each other toes as in PPC.
just a thought
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I agree Maria.
I know alot of the folks who sell these systems are partnered in one way or another with the system provider and they get a check. So, bring more people to the party and you know the developers and the people who've put it together are getting paid.
We all have options and there continues to be more options for this. As for leads, I've found that coastal budget leads dot com offers the lowest priced leads and the most consistent result on the wholesale side of things.
I do like leads as MANY in Coastal have built a successful business with leads, but also know that there ARE other options. Some are good and some are not so good. I always find it interesting how people will goto the PPC, then fall off of it as their budget doesn't allow for it.
This business is all about marketing. Some are teaching 1 way and others are offering more options. I believe the DFI team has some good things to what they do, but as others have pointed out, you can learn everything you need for Coastal in just a few training calls. The rest is simply doing it again, and again, and again.
Consistent activity is what will make sales for you. Don't get too attached to a lead as many will say one thing, and do another.
When it comes to marketing, do what you enjoy doing. Some are bloggers, some are into leads, some are into retail, some - Like myself enjoy being well versed with Coastal. I enjoy doing several things as it does make my business day more interesting.
Jay NaPier
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P.S. - The K.I.S.S. method has worked for many and I believe that's what DFI is focused on. If it's working for them...then I say, Continued Success To You!!!
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hmm...
Well, I know that replicated sites are usually quite cheap to run and maintain at a constant. I don't know about other systems, but mine, certainly I can upload leads from other providers. Often, I do.
I know that what I have seen with my back office system, after looking at WCYS, BOD, VP, WB is that it is MUCH more extensive, comprehensive and integrated- not to mention intuitive. I'm not a computer person at all ( pretty much limited to how to type, cut and paste, point and click) so for me to say I love a computer system is a really AMAZING thing. My bf says that I am actually a "back office junkie" and couldn't believe that on my recent holiday I didn't check it ONCE. I said- but I have the autoresponder on, telling everyone to call me, every number I have is routed to the cellphone, and I have full signal strength- so no, why do I need to check my email- its a long weekend holiday? (That was a FIRST for me!! hahaha!)
I have also seen so many continual upgrades, improvements and new features added since I have started the business. I believe there was a statement some time back from leadership that $500,000 or so was re-invested in the system and testing new resources over the past year? I also know of the improvements and changes coming about (basically 2 versions up in system, and it will have a very different l&f, tons of new features, higher security etc etc). So, that, in addition to the fact that my system is set up on an affiliate program and actually earns me a monthly commission- which actually covers many of my business expenses at this point- I see that it is worth its weight to me in gold. I love that I can have a paperless office, and take my business with me anywhere with an internet connection- if I was going for longer then a weekend, of course I would check my emails!
That, and there is neat features- like I have uploaded my entire hard drive to my secure session (private) area, so if my 'puter ever goes up in smoke (believe me, I had have had it happen!)- I don't worry that all my data will be lost. That would be a BAD thing- I have a nasty habit of taking loads of digital pictures of my daughter and never printing them out. I've got all our id documents, banking info etc etc there too- so if anything was lost in our travels, I would be able to print of birth certificates and passport numbers etc etc for the embassy, or cancel credit cards if necessary.
I also like that I can re-route email to and from the system, use it for auto- invoicing (macros), sharing records, training materials and documents with the team etc etc. That thing can do more then I even know how to make it. Basically, as I have come about challenges, I have usually learned that that system has some kind of solution that I can implement. For instance, I did not realize that I could use and merge multiple calendars, even with multiple users until I few months ago. It makes EVERYTHING so much easier knowing where everyone is and doing what for me now. I also figured out the task manager recently- its a beauty for assigning tasks and holding people accountable to them. I tell someone to do it, send them the task reminder and WOW! Its amazing how I rarely hear "oh yes, I forgot about that" or "Oh, well I haven't gotten around to it yet" now! Magically, things get done!
All I know is I really like my chosen system- there is no way I would have the resources, know how or even desire to design, maintain and improve such a professional, easy to use, comprehensive business tool. Its way more then just websites!
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cool that's great info, I bet you could not put a price tag on what you pay for all that technology and freedom. So, ya, $49 a month, $89 a month or whatever.
Let the owners get rich off the monthly fees, we live in a capitalistic society, and I always cheer for the capitalist and sytem owner.
When I helped make VP and WCYS, I never took one dime of profit from either systems, not once ever. No overides, no kickbacks. I didn't want it.
$49 for training, systems, access, automation, information, tools... cheap... really cheap if you ask me.
so, let the business owners get rich, it just gives them more money to put back into the systems they built and make them better.
CSG haas always prided themselves that they use TECHNOLOGY, which they really do... hardcore... it's their flavor, good on em mate for being the leader in that field.
I am also excited for the DFI upgrade coming out, it's MINDNUMBING on what the stuff will be able to do with automation....
I love systems.
I am a systems guy, every great business must have a system that moves people from start to close to money in the bank. All the good ones have it in Coastal. People just need to explore them and use them for their tools to build their businesses.
Here is why leads are best AT FIRST.. NOT ALL THE TIME, but at first...
With leads and a script, a new person in Coastal can pop out their two training sales in 72 hours.
They read a script, call leads and 3 way for the close.
But if you throw them into Pay Per Click, blog creation, article writing, SEO, build a custom website, autoresponders.. etc.. you see folks....
learn this really quick....
THE MASSES ARE NOT LIKE US. They confuse easliy with information overload which creates paralysis of analysis very quickly.
We live on and with the net daily. They don't, they wait a week to check their email, we wait every 4 minutes.
The newbies barely know how to check their emails and turn their computers on, or know where to type in a URL in their browser, if they even know what a browser is.
They do not live here like we do, doing what we do cause it is all new to them.
Seriously... Once you realize this, it takes off the pressure of teaching people how to generate their own leads as first rule of thumb.
The worst decision I could have made with hindsite now.. is the 170 ways to market and advertise your business that I put into WCYS.
I would now refer to that as 170 ways to confuse and stall your new business owner and keep from from ever getting out of the LEARNING phase and make them stay there for a long time before they ever reach the DOING PHASE.
Most people try to become perfectionists before they ever get things going... they don't want it to bomb so they just test and read, and test and read, and months go by, with no activity, no communications, no conversations.
GET YOUR PEOPLE TO THE DOING PHASE ASAP! Make it a Rule, Make it an immediate expectation. Don't let them ask a bunch of qustions, put a script in their hands and get their fingers dialing.
Then, as success follows in the duplication process, people make money, get more confidence, get more proficient on their computers, get more courage, get more experience, see more on the web, THEN AND ONLY THEN... do you teach online lead generation to a team mate. Later you teach them how to create leads at will using the net, cause now....
NOW....
They have skills sets and mind sets, which internet marketing does not allow with it's automation and lottery mentality systems.
Now, through pain and trial, people have gained wisdom through the journey, through close contacts with real people voice to voice, belly to belly, which the internet tries to do, but still creates voids and miscues.
I was ROBBING people of skill development and personal development by teaching people "do it the lazy easy way" and they did what I told them and are still doing it the lazy easy way, letting others do the work for them and they still have not made that first sale cause there is no investment in themselves, only their lottery mentalities.
Does internet marketing work as the method for the masses... NO WAY, not at first, but does it work still, YES, but only for the minority or lucky ones.
When I went to a Coastal Seminar in Orlando, CEM asked the room of 400-500 people...
"How many of you were a LEAD who came to coastal cause you filled out a form on the net?" MORE THAN HALF THE HANDS CAME UP.
That spoke volumes to me right there! The masses can duplicate calling, scripts and follow ups. And get really good at it fast. They can also get really burned out fast too, which is why I am really stoked on systems like quickblaze dot com.... looks like a winner for just getting people into conversation quickly, instead of bad #'s, ans machines, busys signals and no answers, or whatever. Man, I am gonna be a student of that system really quickly, and then outsource it to a bunch of moms I hired to make calls for me.
Which yes, I do a bunch of outsourcing still, cause I know how and it works for me... BUT I AM NOT TEACHING TO MY TEAMS..... YET....
They must have success and mindset first.
Everyone has a choice who they buy leads from. You can pay top dollar or bottom dollar, they always do one thing though....
They give you access to talk to people....
And it is people who make this business go forward cause people buy from other people, not websites, not the internet and not a system.
That is why I like DFI.
Bring them in now as a newbie, get them in the system, making dials, using a sript with a goal of 72 hours to directorship.
Once that happens, keep feeding them, keep encouraging them, we bring them all before Dani Johnson and she fixes them even more, makes them even stronger, puts them around 1000's who do what they are doing who are making 6 and 7 figures all doing it the same way. She build them up, builds their skills and they are never ever the same.
Then, over time, when the student is ready and equipped, you take them into the internet marketing relm and you show them the lead gen systems and tools and they become unstoppable. But only once they are proven successful with the basic trainings.
This is my method now.
You must first crawl before you walk, then you walk, then you skip, and then you .....
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