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jnapier
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 12:30 � Edited by: jnapier
Quoting: CSGLeader You can check out this new program, etc. at csgmarketplace
Thanks for sharing that here as it will tell the whole story and PROVE those of us who have spoken out about the CSG RIGHT!!
Jay NaPier
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CSGLeader
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2007 15:28 � Edited by: CSGLeader
"Someone wasnt being up front with you Carol Ann. I have the PDF Catalogue for "Get UP And Go" And to buy those certs you simply become a distributor. They are currently looking for people all over the USA. The certs are less expensive that way. Being from Canada I cannot become a GEAG Distributor. One of my team has become one though and I can assure you that she is not paying as much as you for the certs. Nor will I through buying from her. "
Sean - thanks for the info. I went back again today to Get Up and Go and spoke to them about the distributor and sales commissions programs.
Here is the info - straight from the company:
2 different options - distributor, or sales commission basis.
1. Sales commission basis - you receive 40% of the retail price when you sell (CSG you make 50%)
2. Distributor - You get the certs for 1/4th of the price. You must apply for it, provide a business plan with projected sales (which will be reviewed quickly to see demonstrated results), have at least 4 documented sales people working with you, and be a demonstrated established marketer. It is not as "simple" as just signing up as a distributor - you must apply for it and your application is reviewed in detail.
Now, the CSG has basically applied for the member base as an overall distributor as we have a member base of close to 2,000 and growing so they were definitely interested in partnering with us.
And yes, they are marking up the certs slightly to make it worth their while in terms of managing the distribution of it, but frankly, I don't have a problem with this is they've done all the work to become distributors themselves and I don't mind paying the small mark up if it makes my life easier and saves me time. I definitely don't want to get into shipping certs to sales reps myself.
I also asked them about their relationship with Coastal Vacations. They could find only 2 reps that are associated with Coastal that are distributors. And of those two - none of them have had any sales volume.
Sean - maybe you could email me the PDF document you have. Is it a brochure to become a distributor? What were you referring to?
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CSGLeader
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2007 15:58
Quoting: jnapier Thanks for sharing that here as it will tell the whole story and PROVE those of us who have spoken out about the CSG RIGHT!!
These are business tools. There is nothing to hide here.
You aren't forced into buying anything. The Coastal Board has many different sales tools available - doesn't mean I'm going to buy them. Haven't really found much value in the sales tools offered by the Board anyway. Maybe that's because they haven't had a website that I could view the tools and order easily online.
But I do find value with some of the tools available through the CSG Marketplace. I'm glad that the CSG has taken the time and effort to provide timely business tools (other than the system) to help people make sales rather than leaving it up to the Director you work with to provide it to you. And I'm willing to pay for that time and effort if it makes me money - which it has.
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 00:35
The CSG has every right to sell products. They are a business and thats what businesses do. It just seems that the focus is on selling these products to its members as opposed to the focus being on selling Coastal packages to the public. Years ago I was part of a major MLM that did alot of the same. The focus became on going to the events and the selling of tapes and books and not the business of selling our kits or showing our plan. Unfortunately this seems to be the focus of the CSG these days. I know of leaders that do not do any personal training of their teams anymore. It all about getting them to an event where they can buy the personal coaching of the leaders that are brought in. Now the CSG doesnt pay these leaders to come speak but rather they give them an opportunity to sell their products. Again this is all well and good but the focus should be on selling the Coastal package and not these outside products. SO much is put on personal development and that your bank account is directly proportional to your development. Well lets take a successful person we all know. Donald Trump. Well his bank account has nothing to do with his personal development. His attitude borders on being a jerk but his business thrives. You know why its because his products have value. Its not about Trump as a person but rather his products. Maybe if the focus was placed back on selling coastal packages as opposed to "in my opinion" nickel and diming its members people would be more successful. There are too many people in Coastal that have no idea how to market the product much less what the product is. I talk to many of them everyday. Its a shame. But you know what these people have the greatest personal development libraries ive ever seen. It doesnt make sense. Lets start teaching our teammates how to sell and stop selling so many "in my opinion" frivilous things to them.
By the way CSGleader I would love to see your response to many of the points I brought up about the actions of CSG leaders as we both served on the same board with them. I know that this might put you in a difficult situation but as you came in here as a CSG Leader you knew it might lead to that. If you decline to answer any of the questions I can respect that but I challenge you to be a leader and not a follower and answer them. I also challenge any other CSG Leaders to comment as well.
Adam
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 09:08 � Edited by: jnapier
When it comes to investing in training I suggest that EVERYONE use caution. MUCH of what you hear from amateur trainers comes from Published Trainers and been re-cooked.
A buddy of mine in Coastal recently went to a free T Harv Ecker training and say the exact same points and examples as made in a CSG paid event.
I'm very excited about Pat Mesiti speaking at the September 7 & 8th Official Coastal Vacations training event. Pat has been called the Anthony Robbins of Australia - I've seen Pat twice this year and saw Tony Robbins ounce last year and ounce this year - I can tell you...Pat is AWSOME!!! And you don't want to miss the Nashville event in September.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 09:25 � Edited by: CSGLeader
Quoting: ateamfuntimer By the way CSGleader I would love to see your response to many of the points I brought up about the actions of CSG leaders as we both served on the same board with them. I know that this might put you in a difficult situation but as you came in here as a CSG Leader you knew it might lead to that. If you decline to answer any of the questions I can respect that but I challenge you to be a leader and not a follower and answer them. I also challenge any other CSG Leaders to comment as well.
Adam,
As I have maintained throughout this thread, I will not engage in mudslinging, bashing, or spreading rumours about any one person, group, or team.
It's unfortunate that you personally have attracted to you situations that you are not happy with. But we know that if we are following the principles of the secret, that we are 100% responsibile for the situations we experience. And if we are experiencing negative situations, then we HAVE to look at ourselves to see what part we played in it. As I've said earlier - your experiences are your reality. I have nothing to do with your reality so I can't comment on it nor will I judge it.
Everyone in the CSG has the same opportunity as I did - to develop as a leader and eventually a lifestyle coach through the leadership development program. The volunteer leadership program allows people who want to grow themselves and their teams a structure to do that - getting exposure doing things that leaders should be doing with their our own teams anyway - training, coaching, leading, being an ambassador for the product and the team in which we are associated with.
As far as the CSG becoming a personal development organization - absolutely. That is the mission of the CSG - to provide training and personal development opportunities for everyone. Yes - they have developed their own tools and coaches to provide these tools to people who obviously want what they roll out. And if I can access a coach specific to my own company, than that's even better.
Personal development is an essential part of network marketing. It is not everything, but is a HUGE part. So many people come into network marketing and fail because of their paycheck mindset. It takes tremendous courage and constant maintenance to survive in this jungle - and mindset is critical to success. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a high attrition rate in this industry regardless of how well the company provides tools and training.
The Co-Founders of the Synergy Group came to Coastal over four years ago because they knew Coastal was a cash machine and they had been in many network marketing companies prior to Coastal. They were all also orphans - meaning their Coastal Directors bailed.
They recognized that one of the most essential pieces missing in most network marketing was that most of the time your success was directly related to the person you worked with. If the person you joined with bailed, you were left in the cold. And no other team would want to take you on because there was no financial gain for the person taking you on as an orphan - especially in Coastal.
The CSG has done something in the industry that is visionary and radical - to provide a training and support organization that gives every person in the CSG a support network and a source of training and development that is standardized, systemized, and duplicable - and available no matter what team you belong to.
And, yes - they have many products and services available in addition to the basic system to develop yourself if you choose.
There are many coaches and trainers in this industry that do nothing but market their personal development coaching. And they are making millions doing it as obviously people want it - people like Ellie Drake, Jerry Clark, Jeffrey Combs, Doug Firebaugh, Todd Falcone. But you know what, if I can access millionaire producers such as Nitsa Nakos that are within Coastal Vacations for outside coaching - that's who I want to coach with - if I CHOOSE.
As far as other leaders in the CSG commenting - I don't know if they will or not - but most likely not. Do you know why that is?
Because they will not lower themselves to engaging in negativity in any way, shape, or form, as they recognize that this activity in these forums does nothing but create negativity and confusion as a whole for Coastal Vacations.
I came back into this thread to provide complete & accurate info on some of the points made in here. But I really gotta go and focus on my team. This is such an energy and time waster its just unbelievable!
Not to mention that at this very moment I am posting from my summer cabin that my family and I are enjoying for the entire month of July - thanks to the lifestyle & freedom that I have been able to create through the CSG and Coastal Vacations. I just don't want to continue to have this negative energy enter this peaceful, beautiful space I am in right now.
As much as I am wishing I hadn't started in the first place, I'm glad to have made a presence here to express what I've expressed - knowing that I was walking into a snake pit and that I was probably going to get some personal attacks made on my own character - but I was willing to do it.
As I said - I respect everyone in here as fellow Coastal Directors. You are entitled to your opinion, your experiences, your success.
And I will say it again - focus on yourselves, your team, promoting what specific contributions you all make to the Coastal Vacations marketplace. Live and let live. What you think you are doing by providing a "public service" to others - creating verbal diarreah for people to listen to - does nothing for all of us in Coastal Vacations.
I can guarantee that all of us in Coastal Vacations will benefit so much more if you could just realize and practice the idea that we are all ONE in the biggest grandest scheme of things. What we think we are doing to others - we are really doing to ourselves.
Namaste
(Ancient Sanskrit Blessing - I honor the spirit in you which is also in me)
Carol Ann
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 10:48
Carol Ann,
I want to tell you I have seen your ad and like it very much and I have read what you have said here. I have questions like everyone but don't know where to begin only having been doing this since May 11, 2007 I like the Namaste in you. I have questions as to CSG because I just left there because I had a director whom I could not go anywhere with for several reasons and I wonder why all the bashing in here, it is not necessary at all.
It is suppose to be a place to help one another is that correct. Please send me a personal note if you wish. I am so confused with what I am reading in these forum posting.
Barb
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 10:59 � Edited by: CSGLeader
Quoting: jnapier When it comes to investing in training I suggest that EVERYONE use caution. MUCH of what you hear from amateur trainers comes from Published Trainers and been re-cooked.
Jay,
One of the props I have to give you is that you are very savvy internet marketer. That's for sure. In fact, when I have met you at several of the Coastal & CSG events, I purposely sought you out to pick your brain about what you do that has made you so successful as I respect your experience and expertise.
That's what I love so much about live events - to have that kind of opportunity to receive - be coachable - and learn from others who are willing to freely share their knowledge and expertise.
I remember when I met you at the Coastal event in September of 2006, you were applying for the CSG Leadership team, and that you were very interested in the Leadership development program as it provided a pathway to develop yourself as a motivational speaker and trainer - which I understand you have a desire to do at some point.
How's that coming along by the way?
It was also great to have you as a fellow participant in Gabrielle Whitney's Leadership Development paid coaching program sponsored by the CSG when we were both applying for the CSG Leadership team.
And - it was great to see you at the CSG event in Nashville this year and how you told me personally how wonderful the coaching was from Gabrielle and how you were still seeing the value of it months later.
Obviously you saw at that time the value in the Leadership Development program. And why wouldn't you - if you have a group that has the connections and the momentum and the power to propel you - an amateur in the motivational speaking industry - into the mainstream - where you and many people know is where the action is at because people value it so much and it is so needed - then how awesome is that.
Yes - those of us who strive to a Lifestyle Coach position within the CSG will begin as amateurs - everyone has to start somewhere. Including all the majors - such as Ellie Drake, Jeffrey Combs, Jerry Clark. Even you Jay, would be considered amateur when and if you do break out yourself as a speaker.
It is very inspiring to me to be part of an organization that will allow me to develop myself as a motivation speaker. And I totally support every person who has a desire and a passion to develop themselves and at the same time provide value to the marketplace.
It doesn't concern me if the coaches and trainers that come out of the CSG leadership development program are new to the industry. It just inspires me more to know that if they can do it, so can I.
I have to say that it was very exciting to see my article in Home Business Connection magazine this April, 2007 because of the exposure and experience I have gained in the CSG Leadership program.
And Jay, if you're comments about "amateur" is in any way related to what certain CSG Leaders are or are not making financially, why don't you provide us the personal financial statements of these individual Leaders so we can have credible information and facts.
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 11:58
Hi,
Regarding how well a person does in this business should not be determined by their paycheque but by if they feel they are making what they are putting into it. If I was happy making $3000-$5000 a month part-time as an added income to my existing job, then I would consider myself to be successful.
However if in turn I am able to have all my new team members also make their first two sales and so on, I would believe that I was highly successful in this business because I am duplicating my success and encouraging others to meet their goals.
So if I did 100 sales a month but only 5 of those people ever worked the business, sure I would have some good money but I wouldn't consider myself a good director. I would rather have 5 or 10 sales a month and work closely with my new team on gettting them their two sales.
Just my 2 cents
Judy
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jnapier
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 12:11 � Edited by: jnapier
Quoting: CSGLeader I remember when I met you at the Coastal event in September of 2006, you were applying for the CSG Leadership team, and that you were very interested in the Leadership development program as it provided a pathway to develop yourself as a motivational speaker and trainer - which I understand you have a desire to do at some point.
I'm afraid your WRONG Carol Ann! I was not in it to be a trainer, but because so, so many people had come to me - like yourself - wanting to know HOW to build a multiple six figure income, I decided that sharing with a group, which BTW is the impression I was initially given, was a good idea.
In any business agreement everyone must agree or agree to dis-agree. The Missing Link in CSG Training has been Marketing. That's what I was most interested in training on. Teachable and Trainable Marketing Methods that would allow ANYONE to use Low Cost and No Cost marketing to build their business. The CSG is SCREAMING to learn how to market, yet the CSG won't train on that.
When it comes to personal development, I'm a BIG believer - but you've GOT to consider the source. Do they qualify to be my trainer?? I ONLY work with the BEST - This has been how I've worked my business since day 1. When it comes to Personal Development the BEST way to increase your PD is to look for a Book...and it's Dirt Cheap. If you want more specialized training go directly to the source and see what they have available.
What's the vision?? This is a question we should all ask when working with a group. Why? Because your building your business with that group. The CSG used to have a "Each of US needs all of Up" approach --- and I'm not the only one here pointing that out!!
Over the last 8 months that I was an active CSG member it became more obvious to me that the CSG was going in a different direction. The CSG had leaders at the March Official Coastal Event - yet.....No Update!! I waited and waited. I was not able to attend this event as I'd already purchased a ticket to attend another training in Las Angles.
The objective of the Coastal Board of Directors is Unity. This is typically done by freely sharing information available to Coastal Vacations Members and Directors. When the CSG quit freely sharing Official Coastal information - they chose to no longer participate in the Unity.
Several times you've stated that you were not going to post here...yet, you continue to visit.
Please...do us all a favor. I appreciate your stance on the law of attraction, but in reality the CSG has attracted these informative posts.
Best of luck to you.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 12:16
Quoting: Judy So if I did 100 sales a month but only 5 of those people ever worked the business, sure I would have some good money but I wouldn't consider myself a good director. I would rather have 5 or 10 sales a month and work closely with my new team on gettting them their two sales.
Very well said Judy! I totally agree.
Jay NaPier
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SAS78
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 12:27
WOW, I am recently new to Coastal (I bought my package in early June) and I am currently working my business part time in hopes of going full time in the not so distant future. I am currently with the CSG and I am struggling, at first I thought I was struggling with the CSG system, feeling that it wasn't developed for people who currently work full-time as it's virtually impossible to attend the trainings and run a business on a part-time basis, however I'm now starting to think that I might be struggling with the company, Coastal, and I think the posts above are a large source of confusion hence the frustration.....
What is all of the anger and hatred about?? It's like an all out war is brewing between different groups, all of whom are supposed to be seasoned vetrans and professionals showing us 'new ones' how to be successful with our businesses, yet instead of focusing on the positives, the challenges and the opportunities for growth it seems all people can do is focus on the negative.
Now I will admit that I have posted some 'negative' posts which is mostly venting my frustration with the limited knowledge and experience that I feel that I have just starting out and I turn to this forum as a source of knowledge. When I read the posts from the top leaders in this company, and yes we all do represent the same company ~ Coastal, going back and fourth with one another in such negative posts I have to be honest that it tarnishes my image of this business and whether it has the opportunity to offer me anything...
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 12:28
Quoting: Judy Regarding how well a person does in this business should not be determined by their paycheque but by if they feel they are making what they are putting into it.
Judy - couldn't agree with you more. Prosperity is a perspective. We all have a right to how we choose to perceive prosperity. And those of us with a prosperity consciousness know that when we focus on feeling good, contributing to the good of others, and be happy, then all areas of our lives flourish - including the financial aspect.
This business and industry is not about the money - even though it does pay very very well. Granted - we all come to Coastal Vacations to make a living initially - but it is the process we go through in developing ourselves and others to financial freedom that gives us such fulfillment and satisfaction.
When I work with people, I ask them to send me their 20 reasons why they want to do this business. And initially the list usually starts with money - pay off debt, financial freedom, etc.
But as the person is asked to give 20 reasons, they start to stretch themselves and dream bigger. They give reasons like - starting a mission in South America, empowering other women, developing some type of non-profit organization, or becoming a motivational speaker.
This happens because of people's basic heirarchy of needs. Once the basic needs are met, including money, most people instinctively want to serve a purpose in their world.
I love the network marketing industry because it allows people to do just that. Make a difference. And we all choose how we want to do that. Some of us have desires to play at the world-wide level, and others just want to be a stay-at-home mom and make a difference in the world by being a positive influence in their own family and children. And if that means that they define success by earning $5K per month - then that's AWESOME!
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 13:03
Quoting: SAS78 When I read the posts from the top leaders in this company, and yes we all do represent the same company ~ Coastal, going back and fourth with one another in such negative posts I have to be honest that it tarnishes my image of this business and whether it has the opportunity to offer me anything...
Stephanie - thanks for speaking out. I totally agree. I felt it was important for someone to step in here and call a spade a spade.
If you read most of the posts written in here from some of the very active members, you'll see that all along the intention has been to bash the CSG - rather than to offer any useful information about the Coastal Vacations opportunity as a whole.
I'm just one person with the balls enough to step in and shed light on the fact that this is happening. And that was really my only intention in joining here.
If you or anyone else reading this post/thread are interested in participating in a positive forum of people and individuals focused soley on prosperity consciousness in Coastal Vacations, go ahead and email me.
I'll send you the link to my new synergy prosperity blog. You can subscribe to the feed and you can count on getting only helpful, positive information to assist you in staying motivated, inspired, and confident in your choice of Coastal Vacations.
To Your Prosperity!
Carol Ann
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 13:06
CSGLeader I appreciate your comments but it amazes me that in the long post you wrote you failed to comment on any of my points. Its great that you bring up "The Secret" but to be honest the principles of this book and movie are based on Bible principles. So many of the people that read it talk about it but are very good at not truly addressing issues. They say if you have negative in your life its because you attract negative. HMMMM well what have you done to attract the "negative" you are attracting? There is negativity in the world and thats a fact we can all agree on. You know personally of all that I added to the CSG as a leader. All the trainings and the many people I inspired to join the organization are common knowledge. But its amazing as I made a decision to move on I was turned on by the very leaders that months before asked for all of my input. What did I do to attract that? Nothing. Its just something that happens it has nothing to do with "The Secret".
On another note its funny how in your post you talk so highly of the CSG leaders but in our private conversation you were upset that Dave Heidel had the CSG movie on his site. You told us that you sent an email to the leadership and got no response. Now you may deny this as many in the CSG leadership fold deny many of the things they say but digital recording is a great tool.
I again appreciate your long responses but again I mention you never answered any of my points. Misdirection has long been an avenue people use to get the focus off the real issues. The real issue is that the CSG has changed focus and because of this business decision many members fail in their business. I think we should look that point and go from there.
I wish you all the best in your quest to be a lifestyle coach. Then you can participate in selling your products to the CSG database as the other lifestyle coaches do. I will say they have a great marketing strategy that truly allows them to gain the financial freedom they desire even if its at the expense of the masses.
Adam
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 13:07
Quoting: SAS78 WOW, I am recently new to Coastal (I bought my package in early June) and I am currently working my business part time in hopes of going full time in the not so distant future. I am currently with the CSG and I am struggling, at first I thought I was struggling with the CSG system, feeling that it wasn't developed for people who currently work full-time as it's virtually impossible to attend the trainings and run a business on a part-time basis, however I'm now starting to think that I might be struggling with the company, Coastal, and I think the posts above are a large source of confusion hence the frustration.....
Stephanie,
I suggest plugging into the BOD calls their training calls at night are at 9pm EST and the live q&a for prospects is 10pm EST...in my opinion great times for those working a full time job during the day and their Coastal business at night.
Tonights 9pm EST call is the New Associates Call.
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 13:24
Quoting: SAS78 WOW, I am recently new to Coastal (I bought my package in early June) and I am currently working my business part time in hopes of going full time in the not so distant future. I am currently with the CSG and I am struggling, at first I thought I was struggling with the CSG system, feeling that it wasn't developed for people who currently work full-time as it's virtually impossible to attend the trainings and run a business on a part-time basis, however I'm now starting to think that I might be struggling with the company, Coastal, and I think the posts above are a large source of confusion hence the frustration..... What is all of the anger and hatred about?? It's like an all out war is brewing between different groups, all of whom are supposed to be seasoned vetrans and professionals showing us 'new ones' how to be successful with our businesses, yet instead of focusing on the positives, the challenges and the opportunities for growth it seems all people can do is focus on the negative. Now I will admit that I have posted some 'negative' posts which is mostly venting my frustration with the limited knowledge and experience that I feel that I have just starting out and I turn to this forum as a source of knowledge. When I read the posts from the top leaders in this company, and yes we all do represent the same company ~ Coastal, going back and fourth with one another in such negative posts I have to be honest that it tarnishes my image of this business and whether it has the opportunity to offer me anything...
Stephanie,
I agree with you here. The Coastal Business is awsome! It's important that you stay connected to the official Coastal training so you have ALL the upto date information. As I post this - I'm listening in on a training call. SOME directors will not share this call with their team - I choose to share it as it's direct and NO FLUFF!
There are MANY ways to run a Coastal Business. I don't agree with every marketing method, but I do KNOW that this business has been the easiest and most profitable business I've owned in over 20 years as a business owner.
It's important to the success of your business that you learn WHAT WORKS and what doesn't. Many of us here have shared what doesn't work because I opened this forum post with "Why I Never used the Coastal Synergy Group System".
Positve Mental Outlook is important to your business, BUT....that same positve mental outlook can leave you with an empty hand. I've watched as MANY Coastal Directors made mistakes that I made and ended up $1000-$5000 in debt. I spoke with another lady who lost $40,000 last year in her business....and has a positve mental outlook.
I share with you because after over 4 years in this business I want to see MORE PEOPLE be successful. I don't know what your budget will allow as far as marketing, but I can tell you that the heated debate you see here is MORE about folks like yourself - people who have been kept in a bubble when it comes to the Coastal Vacations official training, than it is about those of us who have shared.
Someone did come in and make this personal, which changes the nature of the conversation, but the end result should remain the same.
Jay NaPier
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Coastal Vacations
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 14:09
It is unfortunate that there are differences between the groups but that is life. We are have separate ways of doing business and because of that sometimes we clash. For all that are in the CSG I wish you the best. The product they market ( the Coastal Package) is a great one that we all market. As the focus as I have been saying gets off of Coastal and on other products is where the problem lies. If anyone is upset where the threads have been going welcome to the politics that in my opinion are truly hurting our incredible business. While I hate that negativity has come out in this forum it is a necessary evil. The truth must come to light. I think everyone should know the truth to make a true decision on where to line up.
For anyone that is offended by my post I apologize but I will continue to be a beacon of truth. As I have served on the CSG Leadership I have intimate knowledge of all that has transpired I truly am sickened that at any time I was part of that group.
Adam
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 16:08 � Edited by: CSGLeader
Let's just make sure we understand something here about these threads.....
"Why I Never Used the Coastal Synergy Group System"
"The Inside Scoop on the CSG"
"What happened in Vegas"
These threads start out by specifically and intentionally targeting the CSG to bad mouth, put down, and complain about the systems, the leadership, the pricing, the events, etc.
Even though this forum is supposed to be about Coastal Vacations and a "friendly" place for people to come and get information.
That is not being a beacon of truth - that is misusing a public forum to vent personal frustrations & situations & opinions that really have nothing to do with every other Coastal rep but yourself.
When it is said that these threads "have become negative" or that somehow these posts have become a political campaign, let's get it straight - these started out with poor intentions to begin with.
Leadership at its finest...
And by the way, I've read many of the other posts and threads in this forum. Time and time again Adam, you are asked to stop talking negatively about other groups, teams, systems, Funtime, etc., so I know it's not just me who feels this way.
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 17:05 � Edited by: CSGLeader
Quoting: ateamfuntimer For anyone that is offended by my post I apologize but I will continue to be a beacon of truth. As I have served on the CSG Leadership I have intimate knowledge of all that has transpired I truly am sickened that at any time I was part of that group.
I also wanted to point out to the people in this forum that are responsible for the threads I mentioned in my last post, the terms of usage of this forum as posted in the main forum page links...
Terms of Usage and Conditions of Service
By using this forum, you agree to abide by the following terms and conditions:
No misbehaviour such as hate speech, discrimination, flaming, or anything alike. Always be respectful of other users and the moderators.
Do not use this forum for resolution of personal disputes with members or companies.
It seems to me that the posts that are targeting & "thrashing" the CSG (Adam's term from a previous post) are against the terms of use of this forum.
Since I am an active member of this forum now, I personally feel that these threads and comments are offensive, hateful, and disrespectful to me as a fellow user of this system.
Not to mention that the posts are also being used to resolve personal issues with the CSG - which are completely inappropriate for this forum as per the terms.
I'm sure we can all agree that the terms of use are pretty clear wouldn't you?
Or would you prefer that the forum moderator & administration be notified that you are out of the terms of use agreement and have you permanently removed from the forums going forward?
Your call. I'm ready to lay this down now if you are...
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 17:53
I will say again that I am not happy with the CSG and anyone that wishes to hear the entire story of how business is done can contact me personally. I have intimate knowledge of the group as for 16 months I served with honors on their board. I was a major speaker at their events, conducted a daily call each week , as well as a training on testimonials that was once part of their 6 figure earner training ( as I dont have their sites anymore im not sure if its still in their back office) and was even a member of the Product Education and Retail Team. In May 2006 I was featured in the HBC Magazine as well as in Sept 2005 they voted me and my wife Rookie of the Year. I still have the plaque in my office. This makes me an expert on the CSG. With all of that behind me im a wealth of knowledge to anyone trying to learn the real deal on Coastal and the CSG. So again anyone looking for the TRUTH about CSG please contact me.
P.S. Thats should be enough of a post as not to offend anyone especially CSGLeader or any other CSG members.
BTW you can contact me directly by clicking on my name and that will lead you to my profile and all of my contact info. Yes I can play by the rules as well Carol.
I AM A BEACON OF TRUTH IN THE MIDST OF MANY THAT TRY TO DECEIVE WITH HALF TRUTHS!!!
Adam
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 18:14
You know...the only one who doesn't agree with what has been said is CSGLeader. It's what we call bias.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 20:38 � Edited by: CSGLeader
One last note here - I thought it be good for readers to know what the term "flaming" means in internet technology. (One of the other terms of use that is not allowed in this forum)
Might shed some light on how some people intentionally use these types of forums. This is a definition from the online Wikipedia...
Flaming is the hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users. Flaming usually occurs in the social context of a discussion board on the Internet.
Sometimes, flamers attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users. Other times, a flamer is simply an individual who believes he or she carries the only valid opinion.
This leads him or her to personally attack those who disagree. Occasionally, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they are trolls. Most often however, flames are angry or insulting messages transmitted by people who have strong feelings about a subject.
In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts messages about sensitive topics constructed to cause controversy in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET groups in order to bait users into responding.They may also plant images and data on networks that others may find disturbing in order to cause confrontation.
Savvy internet marketers know how to use this type of activity to suck people in - or attempt to keep people out.
I knew there was a reason why I stuck around long enough. Just watch what comes after this post.
Carol Ann
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 21:18
This is a hoot!!
Instead of addressing the concerns mentioned (which are all true), CSGleader chooses to post off topic.
This post had a subject and CSGleader chose to flame the forum and make this personal.
Oh well.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 21:19
Is there anyone else in this forum that would like to close this thread? It seems to be a big disagreement between Jay, Adam and Carol Ann and I for one would love these three to stop arguing.
Those who are interested have read it all and made their own opinions.
Let's just get back to the business at hand -Coastal
What has worked for you, is working for you, trip testimonials, and general information sharing.
I personally think you all need to put some more positive energy out there and lets attract some new prospects to this business
I would love to see Carol Ann posting on other threads as I'm sure she is just as much a wealth of info as Sean, Jeff, Harold, Adam, Jay and others.
Thanks guys and have a great night!
Judy
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 21:52
Quoting: Judy Let's just get back to the business at hand -Coastal What has worked for you, is working for you, trip testimonials, and general information sharing.
Hi Judy,
That was the intent of this post. What doesn't work. It's about saving people money and it was at the bottom of the list when it was brought back.
Either way - I refuse to be a part of the problem I will only be a part of the solution.
To your success
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 24 Jul 2007 21:52 � Edited by: CSGLeader
Thanks Judy. I appreciate the invite...
And Jay - she was asking what was WORKING for you - not what WASN'T...
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