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Mdmom
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# Posted: 1 Apr 2007 22:58
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Hi everyone,
I'm pretty certain at this point which Coastal group I'll join under. However, I still do my research to try to stay up to date.
Today's Question:
How do you know that you hav an authentic Director's Release?
I came across a website today that is selling the coastal packages/releases at a significanty lower cost and without having to pass up 2 sales. I'm aware that the retail packages can be sold for whatever $$ (as told by a reputable level 3 director)... But how would one know if there director's release is the real deal?
Are they tracked? Do they have to send copies to someone? Is there a form somewhere that states you've completed training sales and who they are?
Any info is appreciated.
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hsimpsonjr
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2007 00:10
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Mdmom,
the directors release has places for your director to list the training sales and the staff at the shipping center is supposed to verify that you have made your training sales. The sad part of all of these people selling releases without packages or training sales is that the people buying them don't know what they are doing and have no way to duplicate their business because they are getting no support from the person who sold them the fake releases. Coastal works regardless of these frauds who are cheating people buy selling these bogus releases. Don't let them scare you.
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CoastalToday
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2007 13:31
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This will be an unpopular reply, but...
There is debate about the releases all over the Internet. However, at one point I belonged to a discount Coastal group (maybe the same one you came across?) and spoke frequently with the man who founded the group. He was actually a very nice individual who provided training, etc.
Though he sold Coastal at a discount and often included the releases, when he approached 100 sales he was contacted by Al Romine and told that he would be eligible to join the BOD - just like any other successful Coastal Director who held to the standard prices/two up.
Here is a bit more information on the topic, if you're interested. It is written by Jeff Mills, one of the biggest names in Coastal.
http://www.howtocorp.com/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl/read/53464
Bottom line, choose a Director and a situation that works for you - you must be comfortable with both your choice and the person who teaches you.
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2007 19:54 � Edited by: luvtravel
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Cashwealth, LINKS are NOT allowed!!!
It appears that some don't play by the RULES!
Terri
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2007 20:01 � Edited by: luvtravel
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MdMOM ANYONE of us would be more than happy help you get an "AUTHENTIC" Directors release we all are authentic DIRECTORS!
You buy a membership from a Director, you receive training and in some cases leads, and much more depending on what the Director offers some will give you free websites etc. Depending on the particular group you join there MIGHT be a monthly fee but it's dependent on what they are offereing generally there is NO MONTHLY fee!!
Be careful of those NEW groups popping up. Some groups are well known with Coastal some are NEW, be careful!
After you make your purchase your Director will assist, train, mentor and coach you after you make two sales you will than be an authentic Director and receive an authentic Directors release!!
Terri
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2007 22:46
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Yes, there are fake releases around. Yes, the shipping centre is supposed to verify them and question if in doubt before shipping a package.
I have 2 comments
First, would I want to get caught out when trying to send a package while my release was in question?
Second, if I paid for my release and/or purchased my package below the BOD guidelines how could I ethically then re-sell for more? Alternatively, why would I wish to teach my team to earn anything less then $1000 per transaction?
Just my .02~!
Jani Teeter
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suresuccess
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# Posted: 2 Apr 2007 23:07
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hi there,I am sorry to have to ask a slightly unrelated question (LOL) At WCYS, we offer a free vacation for just looking at the opportunity. How do I do this? Do I actually send the prospect the voucher or does the call center do so?
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Quoting: suresuccess hi there,I am sorry to have to ask a slightly unrelated question (LOL) At WCYS, we offer a free vacation for just looking at the opportunity. How do I do this? Do I actually send the prospect the voucher or does the call center do so?
I know when I was looking at the opportunity and went to my director's website a page downloaded for me to print for my free vacation. I am not sure if this is still how it works, but this was last December.
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 07:18
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Quoting: susaneng Quoting: suresuccess hi there,I am sorry to have to ask a slightly unrelated question (LOL) At WCYS, we offer a free vacation for just looking at the opportunity. How do I do this? Do I actually send the prospect the voucher or does the call center do so? I know when I was looking at the opportunity and went to my director's website a page downloaded for me to print for my free vacation. I am not sure if this is still how it works, but this was last December.
Yes the download is still available from WCYS.
Terri
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roger
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 08:04
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Quoting: suresuccess we offer a free vacation for just looking at the opportunity. How do I do this? Do I actually send the prospect the voucher or does the call center do so?
Once your prospect opts-in they will automatically receive the vacation voucher in the first auto-responder email.
As an idea Susan if you intend to retail the product, go to that initial email with the voucher (you should opt in to your own system anyway to see how the autoresponder works for you) and save the voucher in your system to send to future biz prospects, or whomever you wish, as a taste of what they'll get in our package for their staff/clients.
Roger
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jlDunn
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 13:00
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Hi MdMom,
I asked my director this same question, as one of my prospects had asked me.....and she said that if you are unsure of someone's release you can actually call the Shipping Centre, or the BOD and have them verify the release with the training sales and director who released them as they are supposed to keep them all on file. If you think that the release is not real, or hasn't been earned by their guidelines, they will (or are supposed to) check it out, and cancel if it is not done properly.
If someone's release gets cancelled so will their releases.....
That was the answer I got, hope it helps
Lindsay
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Mdmom
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 13:44
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Thanks for the responses.
This particluar site was well written and advertised. Most look crappy. They promise training and "not being interested in training sales". I just hope people that join through that "team" don't get the smack down.
As for me, I'm certainly steering clear.
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 14:13
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That is a smart choice, MdMom!
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jlDunn
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 18:15
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I would agree,
It boggles my mind when people step out to do things like that.....I mean how can they honestly think that it will work? I think those are really too good to be true kinda ones!!
So what group are you going to join under?
And congrats on your decision to join coastal!
Lindsay
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joesosa
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 20:42
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I have been trying to get info. on the details-the small print if you will-so that I can join Coastal and thereafter be glad that I did it in the right manner: the right Director, Retail, Training, CallCenter, This group or that group, L1, Premier, Platinum, etc. but some how the feed back I get is somehow inconsistent and it gives me cause for aprehension.
I bet that a lot of sales are lost because of this feeling regardless of the persons doing the closings. Or, forces the prospects to wonder and jump from Director to Director "interviewing to see if they click", etc.
I think that there ought to be a c learly explained set of guidelines, alongside the selling hype to make it easy for the prospects to lay out the thousands of dollars required to get in, with the secure knowledge that they are doing the right thing and without fear of the "what ifs"...
For instance, CAN/WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME NOW, how/who to call (# pls.?), to verify whether a release is legit or not, about whether there are any complains about a certain Director or not, or even if a Director is authorized, etc., and the consequences if things are not right, you follow?
Months ago I answered an ad from a Director in Colombia and it impressed me that he was so very helpful and straight. After only two contacts he gave me his home and office address, his home phone, cel. phone, his office phone and a State side # along with a Skype #. He also sent me a picture of himself and his family, send me address of Costal in Orlando (UPS) with several tel. #'s, registration in Chamber of Commerce, name and address of his bank, etc. ... without my asking...I liked that, it gave me reassurance. I'll probably do business with him, but I can only afford one Director for now, and I want to go in for the English speaking market first (Colombia is Spanish speaking as you know).
Thanks!
Joe
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suresuccess
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# Posted: 3 Apr 2007 23:48
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thanks everyone.
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2007 07:16
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Quoting: joesosa can join Coastal and thereafter be glad that I did it in the right manner: the right Director, Retail, Training, CallCenter, This group or that group, L1, Premier, Platinum, etc. but some how the feed back I get is somehow inconsistent and it gives me cause for aprehension.
Joe, NO ONE Director can guarantee your success in any business,
NO ONE Group can guarantee your success,
WHY?
Because all we can do is give you the TOOLS to success and how and if you use those tools will indicate whether you are successful or not.
Don't feel bad we all have had the same fears and apprehension when we started especially investing that kind of money, but whats the worse that can happen? You will have a LIFETIME OF Vacations!!
Just go with who you feel comfortable relating to, because someone hypes their accomplishments does not mean you and they will be a match, why? Again because what they accomplished doesnt necessarily mean you will accomplish the same. Because ultimately it all depends on YOU.
And someone who was struggling may understand what you are going thru than those who brag about how they are a 6 figure income earner.
Just some things to ponder. All in all you will do fine because Coastal vacations product is one of the best and many before us have been successful!
Go for it!
Terri
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roger
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# Posted: 4 Apr 2007 08:56
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Hi Joe,
I think Terri said it best. She's right in that you will feel the apprehension whenever you are about to leave your comfort zone. For the majority of people that's the way it is and that makes you pretty normal.
In Coastal the rewards are fabulous, and there will be some challenges too so be prepared for it but if you keep on keeping on you'll do fine. There's a lot of great support in Coastal Joe, you seem to also be getting that from your Director-to-be and you are in a forum that also provides that. This in itself I hope shows you we are real.
I guess I don't need to get into life and 'what ifs'. As Terri said there are no guarantees....one way to check out the Director you've chosen to work with is Google his name. If nothing negative comes up that's a good indication he's alright - bear in mind, this isn't an iron clad guarantee either!
Regarding the legitimacy of the Director's release, you can always write to the shipping center to check him out, that would be a surefire way to find out if he is legitimate. If he checks out, and I'm sure he will, it's a safe bet his Director's releases are fine too. I wouldn't worry too much about whether the Releases are legit - avoid calling things into existence that aren't there!
Roger
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joesosa
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2007 20:10
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Okay, Terri, Roger et al, for your encouragement! ... I already owe you guys.
Now, just a couple of telephone numbers then: the BOD's and the shipping center's...
I'd appreciate that !
Joe.
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# Posted: 15 Apr 2007 23:37 � Edited by: goldmills
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Quoting: joesosa For instance, CAN/WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME NOW, how/who to call (# pls.?), to verify whether a release is legit or not, about whether there are any complains about a certain Director or not, or even if a Director is authorized, etc., and the consequences if things are not right, you follow?
You can email [email protected] and ask them. This is the board of director's email address, supposedly. I don't know if they just get responses and never answer them or if they correspond with people.
For example, if you ask the BOD if there are complaints about me... shock me.... You'll find they say they are.
And what, prey tell, is the biggest complaint about me?
That I don't train my members, which is a bunch of bullsh*t if I ever seen it. Any of my team who is here knows I am nutz about making sure no one gets left behind.
So, let's say you speak to a BOD and they tell ya, ya, they got complaints, even though I am one of the #1 reps in the whole company... it will not tell you the whole story.
Now, what the BOD has done to make sure people are happy when they work with a new person, is they have the "Gold Seal" program.
If you go to www.coastalincome.com/sample you'll see an example of the Gold Seal program on that site. Anything you want to know about the Gold Seal is there for you to learn about.
It is an interesting program. Personally I don't need a Gold Seal, cause personally, I chose how I run my business, not the BOD. Therefore, I'll never get a gold seal on a website, or a nice gold seal lapel pin that I can wear to the next coastal conference, or be on the BOD or have a leadership council position, and frankly, I don't want to be on it anymore anyways. I used to long time ago, I tried to tool up Coastal with so many tools, but they simply did not want em... so... too bad for them....
But as you'll notice, I am not always a fan of everyone on the BOD or leadership council, there are some pretty sneaky people there, and that's unfortunate, but nonetheless, I cannot change it, so I let it go and just do my thing.
All this rant to say.... check out the www.coastalincome.com/sample site which is official Coastal website, about the Gold Seal deal.
One more thing on releases....
The BOD puts out threats like....
If you dont put the Name and phone # of your legit member who you released who were pass ups to you, we can not fulfill that order and ban that member from selling Coastal, "if we do a spot check on it."
First of all, Coastal has never banned or stopped anyone of its members, who are ethical or unethical from ordering products with a director's release that says... "Name on File" or "N/A". If they send a check, and the release says you met the requirements to be come a qualified director then you are. Why? Cause it's your business.
If I want to make my member qualified with 1 sale instead of 2 that is my choice since it is my business. Coastal is not a corporation, it is an association, there is no governing body, governing Coastal, but is is self policed by all the great members who do look out for one another and who do champion others when they follow protocol and also warn others of people who do not.
This is why finally the Gold Seal program was put inplace, to help make a "standardized" method that people can follow which is the official Coastal way.
Do people falsify this info, probably, I had people selling director's releases with my signature on them on Ebay, which I did not authorize, and I found out and put a stop to that. That is ridiculous for sure, but again, not ethicial, but if someone did get one of those docs from an unscrupulous vendor who sold it on Ebay, it will always be honored by the shipping center, as long as it has a US Bank and Certified funds check on it, I can guarantee you that.
There is a "line" which the BOD uses to instill control and as long as people buy it, then the 2 ups and way they recommend how to qualify out of Coastal with your two sale will be the standard.
If I want to offer a special price I can do it, but I do with a limited time offer, to a limited # of people.
Making a discount ALL the time, is wrong in my opinion, but having occasional sales is great, it is how the real world works, everyone always buys things when it goes on sale.
Over the last two weeks, 18 people bought into my business cause of a limited time offer and sale. But I ended it and it's back to normal. This is how Department Stores, Clothing stors, retail outlets perform, you can perform the same way.
Dunno if I am making sense here or what.. sorry for ranting.
Oh, and one more thing... BE VERY CAREFUL who you send to the BOD to check on you. Cause everytime one of my new reps calls some of the BOD members, they get an earful, about me and my systems, and put the fear of God into my prospects so they are second guessing their decisions. Some of the BOD and leadership council have tried to cross recruit people out of my biz into theirs.
Now, isn't this a direct violation of the Gold Seal Policy which says....
--I will not allow myself to participate in cross recruiting
Looks like some BOD could lose their gold seals. I have complained to the other BOD about other BOD members, they know what I am talking about, and so that's where it ends, but just know this info, so you don't lose sales from BOD telling misinformation or half truths to your new people and they scare them off, tell them to get a refund and then join THEM, so they can learn how to do it the REAL way.
Regardless, one thing I want to point out is this...
Coastal is a membership product, it's an information kit which tells people how to travel for less.
It's sold by timeshare people, biz opp people, in fundraisers, in stores, it's given away to incentive people to take action or who win grand prizes at expos and events, etc... And that's great, that is how we can share with people how to get these great discounts.
There are many ways to learn how to sell it, with many people, teams and systems to help you along the way.
Some are great people and systems, others are not so good and you'll have a bad experience.
If anyone is looking at Coastal, don't fret over what I say about the BOD, as they are human beings and have to run and make money in their Coastal business, just like we all do, and if they don't make sales, they make threats or whatever... They can get antsy...
Do your due diligence about the product, the program and the people you want to work with and after a thorough evaluation, you'll get started doing the business just like all these fine people here did in the forum, and who are using the many great teams and tools which are available to them.
Again, I am sorry for this post sounding accusatory against our great BOD leaders, but I guess it's been my experience, so I shared it. I am sure others have more faith in them and their help and I certainly do appreciate them for all they do... but.... .... well... I am done talking now... sorry.
Jeff
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2007 06:38
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Thanks Jeff, I for one appreciate your honesty and candor and thank you for that.
If I had a choice of a goldseal or the kind of income you are earning and the fun you are having...........gee.... difficult choice
We are in the business to help others enjoy the kind of lifestyle they only dreamed of.
Terri
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# Posted: 16 Apr 2007 15:05
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WELL JEFF!...no need to say you're sorry...on the contrary my friend, what you just posted in plain vernacular is the sheer fact that all we are...well... is just plain humans...full of pasions, some foibles here and there and a strong need to belong!
How refreshing to feel the gutsy pulling of the metaphorical veil if you will.
Jeff, I still have a couple of questions for ya!...I'll send an email.
Thank you !
Joe.
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2007 06:20
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Quoting: roger As an idea Susan if you intend to retail the product, go to that initial email with the voucher (you should opt in to your own system anyway to see how the autoresponder works for you) and save the voucher in your system to send to future biz prospects, or whomever you wish, as a taste of what they'll get in our package for their staff/clients.
Thanks Roger for your input and suggestion.
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2007 16:17
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ALLRIGHT...ONE MORE TIME...will somebody please give me the tel. #'s where somebody can call just to verify if a certain Director is in good standing.? ...not if he/she is a good guy, or any other personal attributes, etc. just to find out if he/she is an authorized Director at present...that's all!.
I called the shipping center's (800) 283-1526 but the nice lady at the recording machine emphazised ONLY for shipping matters and ANY other kind of call will NOT be answered. Sooo... hello there somebody with these tel. numbers, give me a hand here.
Thanks!
Joe.
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# Posted: 17 Apr 2007 16:28
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Use the email address that Jeff Mills gave you: [email protected] and see if you can get a response. There are numbers available for the individuals on the BOD, but they are just that - individual directors just like all of us.
However, I think you've answered your own question here - there is no oversight or or revocation of Director's releases. You will be safe as far as the validity of the releases you will get once you qualify.
As to whether or not your Director is a good one, ask for references. If he's new and doesn't have any from Coastal yet, then talk with his upline. Make sure that your thoughts and your "gut" agree with each and go onto be successful! 
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 00:52
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Hello
to check if your director is in good standing, do a check on the BBB and then on google etc and place scam after their name.
If there are legitimate complaints, they will pop up on the internet as fast as lightening.
As far as certain "board of director" members go, there is one individual who will tell you that there is no good director in coastal other than that certain individual (not letting in on the gender).
In fact that person has gone so far as to tell new members at the seminars that they have such a lousy director that they need to ask for a refund and join that individual instead, and they will pray for them to make the right decision.
I actually had to place a complaint in myself about that person (after 3 years of the person bad mouthing every director out there I had enough)
Just know, that certain board members do not have the power they think they have.
As far as releases are concerned. You do need to have an ID for any future purchases. But when someone joins coastal are they really after the releases or the support and expertise their sponsor brings to the table.
Oh, and my pet ranting peeve. What is it about some new people who are in coastal and they lose the sale to another director, tell the new member that what they have done is illegal and unethical etc as they have chosen to join another director.
Sorry, but nowhere does it say, that the first person who talks to a prospect automatically gets the sale.
We have all lost sales to others in coastal, and you know, that is the nature of the business. I always wish someone well with their new director (and if they wish to pay for mentorship at a later stage I will welcome them back) sorry had to pop that one in.
But everyone is welcome to join anyone in coastal.
It is so much more gracious to win in losing than to make the new member feel lousy.
hope this helps
maria
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 10:10
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Maria,
I LOVE your post! I thought that I was the only person who felt that way - and I do know exactly to whom you refer.
To me, it is interesting to note the definitions for the new "Gold Seal" certification program.
Requirement #3 states that to obtain a gold seal a Director must have no valid complaints.
"If other people have had legitimate complaints regarding a Director, you deserve to know. A Director can only receive the Gold Seal award if they have zero verifiable complaints at the shipping center. When you see the Seal, you know you are working with a good Director."
But if the BOD is policing themselves, then how exactly is a "verifiable complaint" verified?!
Food for thought...
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# Posted: 30 Apr 2007 10:15
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Quoting: CoastalToday Though he sold Coastal at a discount and often included the releases, when he approached 100 sales he was contacted by Al Romine and told that he would be eligible to join the BOD - just like any other successful Coastal Director who held to the standard prices/two up.
The Coastal Board of Directors and leadership council are working to eliminate people who do things like this...not bring them on board. If you are a part of a team who keeps you upto date on what's going on with Coastal, you'd know this.
Jay NaPier
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Quoting: luvtravel generally there is NO MONTHLY fee!!
There are a few people who will give you a free website and perhaps some free training, but YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
The Board of Directors have a great website that I subscribe to, you can take a look at a sample site at http://www.CoastalIncome.com/sample
You'll invest $79.95 per month for this site and the 3 others that are listed on that page.
I have those sites and the system that the Coastal Synergy Group has put together. The CSG system does allow me to manage my business from one place and gives me everything required to earn a high six figure income.
Using a "freebie" website will not give you everything required.
Jay NaPier
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# Posted: 2 Jun 2007 14:54
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Have you seen the post by Mills regarding the coa site? It rarely works unless you acces it from another site. I have it and I am very dissapointed by the cookies blocking site that prevents the user from accessing it.
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