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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 22:53
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Quoting: howto Okay ... your talking about becoming a good Internet marketer.
There's a ton of "programs" out there saying they can do this, and do that.
What some of us need is someone willing to mentor, I guess. To help people choose the right program.
Then the real work begins, meaning a mentor, to help guide the person, even coach them a bit.
Else, they will flaying about like a ground bound fish.
Would appreciate some take on the above.
Thanking you in advance . . .
Howto-
You are right on with your assumptions... yes there are lots of good programs out there. Yes it does make a difference who you decide to sponsor under when joining one of these progams.
People buy from People... and it is your decision to decide who you want to put your trust in and have as a mentor.
To your success on the net,
Cindy McAsey
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 23:20 · Edited by: barefootmentor
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Quoting: bkamanski My sponsor made $18,000 last month! Some scam. She is at $12,000 for September already. If you think it is a scam get a JOB! And be Just Over Broke...I am going forward with PAS but joining thru my Feeder program for only $175.00! See you at the top...
Sometimes it just turns my stomach when I see people bragging about how much they made in PAS or how much their sponsor makes.
I think what most people want to know, can it work for me? Do you have the teaching and training skills to mentor them to success?
That's what all this boils down to can you pass on those skills to the people who you bring into a program.
It does make a difference who you decide to sponsor with.. do they have weekly trainings scheduled to help you in a positive learning environment? Or do you just get a ebook or auto responder series of emails sent to you. It makes a Big Difference...
To your success on the net,
Cindy McAsey
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dadathome
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2006 00:14 · Edited by: dadathome
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Quoting: howto Comments tell me, you'd better be a good Internet marketer to do well with PAS.
So, without you pros going nuts. Please tell me, us, where to find very good marketing programs for dummies. Hence, tag "howto."
I need a system that will market, promote, talk too, convince, and sell prospects into customers.
So ... any help in this regard will be appreciated by me and perhaps other Internet Marketing dummies out there.
So, give us some real bona fide [truthful] how to's.
Cheers
Howto, I kinda like your ability to 'say it as it is', right up front.
So, may I return the complement and ask that for the same privilege?
Reading your third sentence, I couldn't help thinking ' And.... you'll do what?? ' Cash your checks?
Come on! It's the real world. Does it seem likely that a business where no-one does anything will be able to secure you a great lifestyle and ongoing financial future.
Let me be blunt. You will have to learn to market if you want to find any success online. It's just how it is.
The good news? It's not hard, start with a introductory course that sets the right principles and mindset, and teaches the essentials (especially how to build your list of customers / Prospects - this is essential!), gets you up and running quickly, then work from there, maybe later move on to Veretekk.
You'll find, particularly, the SeaChange section of my Free eCourse valuable.
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divine
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2006 19:30
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hello all pas members and not,
My exoerience with pas was not so great ! ie i learned allot . unfortunately made no money at all and spent loads on aspacks while i learned the ropes of internet business. i cant say if its good or bad but i guess i had a dilema about using fake advertising like i made blah blah $$$ in this amount of timeand so could you . i guess because i didnt use that i couldnt get anyone interested ie being upfront and not using testimonies of others . i must say though that if given the chance again i would nt use pas ... cuz although the system is like no other i just feel something is iffy about it .
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Ricker
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 11:04 · Edited by: Ricker
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Quoting: divine hello all pas members and not,
My exoerience with pas was not so great ! ie i learned allot . unfortunately made no money at all and spent loads on aspacks while i learned the ropes of internet business. i cant say if its good or bad but i guess i had a dilema about using fake advertising like i made blah blah $$$ in this amount of timeand so could you . i guess because i didnt use that i couldnt get anyone interested ie being upfront and not using testimonies of others . i must say though that if given the chance again i would nt use pas ... cuz although the system is like no other i just feel something is iffy about it .
Jeezz... divine, are you serious?
I think it's more likely that you're one of those strange individuals that get a vacerious pleasure of trying to rain on other peoples parade. Also, I very much doubt you were ever in PAS. If you were, with your attitude you're better off out of it, and PAS is much better off without your participation. Maybe using the time to improve your atrocious spelling and grammar would be a smart move.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2006 11:33 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Ricker, this person is saying he or she didn't feel comfortable making a fake income claim. That speaks not of sour grapes but of integrity.
A lot of people are attracted to these things because they have poor English language skills, perhaps Divine's situation.
I myself will not make false income claims. This individual did the PAS business and had no results from the adpacks and learned something about marketing. This person's perspective is legitimate and valuable to people considering these businesses opportunities.
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Cooper
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# Posted: 13 Oct 2006 00:40
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I too agree with malibumentor. Few people have actually made big profits with PAS. Most of their earning has been spent in buying adpacks. Recently I came across an article in the link http://www.universityofvictory.org/articles/truth-about-adwords-2.html that exposes all these shams.
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lindaruffell
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2006 09:01
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you are right there... few people only could make profits from PAS. I know of friend who still has a lot of adword bills pending. He did not make a lot of money and reinvested 70% of his earnings in adword campaigns. With PAS closing down i am sure a lot of people must be wondering what to do?
Went through that link http://www.universityofvictory.org/the-truth-about-adwords-2.html. Good... it sure tells you how adwords can be a problem if you get it wrong.
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cyberchick
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2006 09:50
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What's the go with the current investigation into PAS? Could anybody enlighten me please. I heard that PAS has to restructure their marketing plan in order not to be deemed a pyramid scheme??
Sounds fishy to me to be honest 
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2006 15:14 · Edited by: malibumentor
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PAS is undergoing a restructuring so it will have a product. This has been a problem from the beginning with PAS.
Additionally, the company consistently reinforced marketing claims that were often preposterous, ie. "do no work", "get paid to do nothing", "work 9 minures a week", yet many people were seduced by the promise of brain-dead internet riches.
The truth is that the only way to make money with any of these programs is to learnhow to market them. Furthermore, depending on one stream of income, like PAS, is naieve.
Financial freedom can be achieved, and its clear that the business model seen with PAS has some very attractive features that are here to stay. The automated systems like PAS and Predator Marketing System will bear fruit for people who use them as part of a long-term plan to build multiple-streams of income.
There is some good cashflow potential from selling these automated systems, but there is also a learning process to become an effective marketer online... and lets face it, people sign up with these programs intending to market them online...
That means becoming an online marketer, which is a skill.
Developing and implementing that skill may involve promoting automated programs like Predator or PAS or 1-step, but other programs need to be part of the mix for most marketers to achieve consistent "success".
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 30 Oct 2006 23:08
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Any Product or Service you promote on the net takes training and time to learn how to market. Sometimes I'm just blown away with the numbers of people who don't realize without proper training you will have a hard time succeeding and most anything online.
The person who reinvested 70% of their earnings in adwords was making huge business mistakes the way I look at it. Marketing with Adwords is an art and it takes time and training to learn how to do it.
There are lots of business opportunities out there some are good and some aren't... as a online marketer and small business owner determine what is best for you and your situation. If you are new to online marketing find someone who is experienced and willing to guide you through the process.
To your success on the net,
Cindy McAsey
Barefoot in the Garden
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shun
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2006 23:10
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I guess nobody has heard about the PAS members who are starting their on company. I don't see anyone talking about it. It sounds very interesting, you can actually pre-register now and view the FAQ, the Ultimate Wealth & Prosperity product, call them toll free, etc.....
The full program is scheduled to launch mid November, which is very soon. You actually make a lot of money on each sale and they also help you make the sale, which is refreshing for the non salesmen out there.... like me.
I know I can't wait until it begins!
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Amy
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# Posted: 14 Nov 2006 13:10
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Hi Howto and others,
If you make money online but are a newbie at network marketing, maybe you should try a half billion dollar corporation in the television industry that is entering the network marketing arena and makes it possible for newbies to succeed. Network marketing is helpful but not necessary. At least this would give you something to do while you are training in the network marketing field.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 14 Nov 2006 23:54 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Question: would you actually expect people will join your businesses based on the kind of not-to-subtle pitches above?
Its not only that its a misuse of the forum environment, it makes you look really green.
Enthusiasm about a new business opp. is great, but the art of marketing through information distribution on the net demands a high quality of content.
People turn to the internet not for advertsing but for information. Providers of quality information can expect to build a steady, highly targeted type of traffic advertisers can barely touch.
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Amy
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2006 19:48
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malibumentor,
When I found the business I am in, I can't help but feel obligated to shout it from the rooftops. So when I am talking to people, yes, the business comes out of my mouth but that is because I care for people. I want everyone to succeed and not get burned by some sly talking money hungry marketer.
Sorry if you think I am "green" I could care less if I profit from what I have posted in this forum. I am a down to earth work at home mom and have seen people get burned. I don't like it!
If "people turn to the internet not for advertising but for information" then what are you doing in this forum marketing your Predator business. Isn't that your ultimate goal? If not, then leave your URL out of your signature line. Who is green now?
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2006 20:17 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Whatever, Amy. Read the forum rules. You aren't presenting valuable information about PAS, you are capitalizing on its notoriety. You may be getting leads this way (which I doubt) but you aren't helping the forums with your example. but these forums are a resource for information and dialogue, and yes, they are a valuable way of generating traffic.
There are more appropriate places to shout out your message from, IMO.
When others see the sort of approach you embrace, they copy that, and the forums become diminished as informational tools. Your above comment provided no value to the discussion of PAS and I would be very surprised if it brought you any targeted traffic.
I am sure you think I am some big meanie. Its not the case. I value your input to these forums but I don't appreciate inappropriate posting, and neither do the serious networkers (with whom relationships can be formed) who read these forums. Try to contribute some prespective in the future, people will take you more seriously.
Say why you think MLM is a more viable alternative to automated systems like PAS and PAMS, etc. Say why you feel nutritionals are a better infomercial product than PAS... ETC.
Just some ideas. Legitimate contribution builds credibility. I know that when people come to my website from a forum post they do so because they are intrigued by something I wrote and they sometimes even call me. Its a way to build valuable relationships by giving away insite and expressing personal perspective through writing.
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# Posted: 19 Nov 2006 06:49
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Wow! My take on PAS its great but I thought it was to much money to be spending. A lot folks couldn't afford it.
Like mailibumentor said you have to learn how to market this products or services.
Its hard to market,because of the cost.
Thats my 2 cents..
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2006 00:29
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Quoting: WebGuru Wow! My take on PAS its great but I thought it was to much money to be spending. A lot folks couldn't afford it.
Like mailibumentor said you have to learn how to market this products or services.
Its hard to market,because of the cost.
WebGuru,
When it comes to prices of programs it's all about who is your target market, there were lots of people who didn't think PAS was "to much money" ...
One nice thing about the internet there are all types of programs for all types of folks and PAS wasn't for everyone.
Personally I've marketed high ticket programs and free programs. I have found it takes the same effort to market both programs. You just are working with numbers with the free programs... the higher ticket programs really weed out the non serious business people quickly.
I have found the middle of the road programs to be more stable and can retain the most people. I don't know about you but I would much rather have the long term stability and residual income that I have found comes from the middle of the road programs.
To long term success on the net,
Cindy McAsey
Barefoot in the Garden
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hyperexplosion
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# Posted: 6 Nov 2008 04:46
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Whats pas? is it like asd surf daily? I ask cus they got arrested  and i didn't get my money yet. Almost 100dollars it's a lot for me.
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