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malibumentor
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# Posted: 27 Jun 2006 14:05
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I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. At present 73% are not qualified to make money. It only sells itself. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
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peterfolks
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2006 22:51
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I have requested a call back, received in 30 seconds.
Questions:
1. Do you have a free trial? Answer: NO, you buy it or don't
2. Do you have a money back policy? NO.
Thank you...NO more questions!
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made2prosper
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2006 00:08
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HAHA...
Try looking into 1step... You will be pleasantly surprised!!
Just click signature link!
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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2006 11:49
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Quoting: malibumentor I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. At present 73% are not qualified to make money. It only sells itself. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
My system sells my additional businesses, for me. Maybe they aren't listed right on the doorway page, but as soon as you enter through, BAM! There they are!
Right now, I have Canadian Diamond Traders and Easy Daily Cash listed (I just put Easy Daily Cash back there this week). On average, I get 2-3 interested people for CDT per week to request more info and, since I added EDC this week, I have had 1 sign up come from my PAS website.
Yes, It is true that the system is designed to attract sales for itself, but what program isn't designed that way??? Isn't that the point of promotion of direct sales products? Or any products for that matter??
Quoting: peterfolks I have requested a call back, received in 30 seconds.
Questions:
1. Do you have a free trial? Answer: NO, you buy it or don't
2. Do you have a money back policy? NO.
Thank you...NO more questions!
That response should have been a given- this program is DIRECT SALES, meaning you aren't paying a company that has the luxury of offering things like "free trials". You are buying directly from another member and how can a team leader say "Sure! I know that Becky will be happy to give you a free trial!"
By the way, if you read the TOS agreement, anyone who joins has 2 weeks to decide to "resign" from the business and get their money back, no questions asked- that's not half bad, huh? Essentially the same as a free trial/ moneyback policy.
Quoting: made2prosper HAHA...
Try looking into 1step... You will be pleasantly surprised!!
Just click signature link!
Good luck with 1-step.  I feel that they made a mistake in doing that 2 month "pre-launch" in the beginning where people were instantly qualified. Pre-launch is a great idea if it is only for a week or so to establish a healthy base, but 2 months was far too long and, in my opinion, totally killed their momentum once they switched to their 2-up plan.
I have nothing against 2-ups, I am part of Easy Daily Cash and that is a 2-up that runs along the same lines, but I think 1-step set themselves up for a flood of "hit and run big builders" right in the beginning by doing that "pre-launch"- hence the 10,000- 20,000 joinees that got in right then.
I don't know very many people that are making consistent sales with it anymore- I do hope that you are finding yourself to be an exception.
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2006 10:08
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Something you have to remember here.... PAS is a marketing system. When was the last time Google adwords offered you a free trial? or money back guarantee?
For me the PAS system is marketing my Barefoot Secret Business [Link removed - Admin]. I have doubled the sign ups into this business since joining PAS. To me that say's lots for a marketing system!! I know I would hate to go back to marketing without PAS my tool box.
There are lots of good one up programs out there to generate cash flow... The way I looked at it is...why not choose one that is going to promote something you are already marketing. A win win situation.
Peter... the team leader was just being honest. Actually I have several marketing tools in my tool box. PAS is one of them another one I use Veretekk [Affiliate link removed - Admin] takes the free trail on step further. They have a silver system that you can use for free and there is no time limits what so ever. You have access to about 70% of the system as a free silver member.
Mailbummentor... Prosperity Automated System has grown by leaps and bounds over the last few months. It will take a little time to get some of the newest members qualified. I'm not sure where you are getting your percentages or how accurate they are. The way PAS is set up that you need to enter your email and name to access the site. This enables me to market my primary business in a way that I couldn't if it was on the first page.
Cindy McAsey
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bobby911
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2006 10:16
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i have the money to invest i am not 18 yet but i am 16 and i am looking for something in business to take off a successful career or i could just go to college 3 or 4 thousand dollars is a risky chance
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2006 12:42
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This is in response to bobby911.
Go to college and get an education first, before getting to involved in a business. I have 2 son's that are on the downhill side of their college years and are now investing in their own businesses. Yes PAS is one of their marketing tools...
Down the road you will be so glad you got your degree and then went into business.
Cindy McAsey
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hollyb25
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# Posted: 28 Jul 2006 15:05
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Quoting: malibumentor I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
Hello,
When I joined PAS I did so with the sole purpose of using the system to sell it's self as you are suggesting. But once I started talking with prospects and other PAS members I realized the value of the 6 ad spaces on all pages of the site (except the doorway.)
I have since joined three other programs and the majority of my leads and sign ups are comming from my PAS. I have even had internet marketers approach me about renting my spaces because they also see the far reaching effect PAS's technology is having on the "outside world."
I understand your concern with not being able to see any other products being promoted because of your unwillingness to give out your name, email address and/or phone #, and I do not blame you.
For this reason, I have my link set up to land inside my PAS site so prospects have a chance to look around.
When a new member joins my team I help them set up their site in a way that seems to significantly raise the closing ratio on PAS sales as well as for their other products. I also help them with additional low or no cost advertising to increase the number of people who view their businesses.
Good luck to you.
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cowgirlkendra
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2006 00:49
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Hi all,
A quick question for you:
How is this not a pyramid, MLM scheme, therefore illegal? (Yes, I've read everything I can find, but it still seems like it fits my state's definition for a pyramid scheme. a) you must make an investment in order to get the right to recruit; b) when you recruit another person you receive compensation; c) new recruits must make an investment in order to recruit. Here's the link to the website where I find that information: LINK
If it is not an illegal scheme (because other products are sold) how many people are really making money? I see a whole lot of cheerleaders here (and I really want to believe them) but it makes me a little bit sceptical that this program is so good that everyone is getting rich without lifting a finger.
Did anyone else have these doubts?
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cowgirlkendra
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2006 01:03
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I forgot one question in my last post:
How does the money get reported to the IRS? Do you report the money under your business license, or ... ?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2006 07:08
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Quoting: cowgirlkendra Hi all,
A quick question for you:
How is this not a pyramid, MLM scheme, therefore illegal? (Yes, I've read everything I can find, but it still seems like it fits my state's definition for a pyramid scheme. a) you must make an investment in order to get the right to recruit; b) when you recruit another person you receive compensation; c) new recruits must make an investment in order to recruit. Here's the link to the website where I find that information:
If it is not an illegal scheme (because other products are sold) how many people are really making money? I see a whole lot of cheerleaders here (and I really want to believe them) but it makes me a little bit sceptical that this program is so good that everyone is getting rich without lifting a finger.
Did anyone else have these doubts?
1) It's not a pyramid because your money gets you a product... it might be a service-based product (the service of having Tour Guides run your follow ups, the service of being able to advertise additional products and biz ops through your website, etc) but it's a product.
This is really no different than buying something from a store and using it. It's direct sales, not MLM and yes, it is an income producing product, but there are no "people at the top" guaranteed to make the most money. Your success isn't dependent on when you joined, it's dependent upon how you work it.
2) You are right, not everyone is getting rich. If people intend to approach this business totally passively and just purchase the ad packs for their advertising, they better be prepared to wait a while for their return on investment. If they want to be active, that's where they will make their money back quicker. That's how it goes with any business- those with 24-7 promotion are going to benefit most. Ad packs are rotator-based, so they aren't 24-7 exposure for your website.
Quoting: cowgirlkendra How does the money get reported to the IRS? Do you report the money under your business license, or ... ?
Thanks in advance for your help!
I answered this in the other thread that you posted in.
Regards,
Christy
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2006 00:32
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CowgirlKendra,
Gosh that is a neat username..
Quoting: cowgirlkendra If it is not an illegal scheme (because other products are sold) how many people are really making money? I see a whole lot of cheerleaders here (and I really want to believe them) but it makes me a little bit sceptical that this program is so good that everyone is getting rich without lifting a finger.
Yes you do have to life a finger OK.. I can honestly say there are many people making good income with PAS including me. BUT you do have to promote the site, I have always purchased one ad pack a month to help drive traffic to my site. I would hate to rely just on the ad packs for my traffic though.
Personally I always have 3 to 5 methods of reaching out to bring people into my business. For me PAS is one of the methods I use for my primary business... and that works great for promoting your other business opportunities. That is the product... the marketing system.
I tell people who want to actively promote PAS to plan on about 30 minutes a day once you have your reach methods figured out and set up.
Cindy McAsey
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cowgirlkendra
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2006 16:29
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To barefootmentor and Christy,
Thank you both for your replies. If I decide to sign up for PAS, what can I expect in the way of support? Are there differences between who I choose as your sponsor? I've searched and it appears that everyone says they offer "support", but what does that really mean?
Kendra
PS. Yes! I do ride horses and I love it!
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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 13 Sep 2006 17:11 · Edited by: WealthyWAHM
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Quoting: cowgirlkendra To barefootmentor and Christy,
Thank you both for your replies. If I decide to sign up for PAS, what can I expect in the way of support? Are there differences between who I choose as your sponsor? I've searched and it appears that everyone says they offer "support", but what does that really mean?
Kendra
PS. Yes! I do ride horses and I love it!
There is a difference between who you choose as a sponsor and the level of support that you get. There are those out there that state that they offer support and then are nowhere to be seen after you pay them and then there are those that are readily available by phone and email to assist you with whatever you need. I was fortunate enough to join someone of the latter sort and owe my success to that- now I do exactly the same thing for my downline....
What "support" refers to is having someone available to assist you in setting up your website (trust me, you will be a bit overwhelmed to start- being given this website and full back office, etc and it helps to have someone there to walk you through it), someone to bounce advertising ideas off of and that is willing to share what works for them- all that!
You can get a pretty clear picture of what my support system is like by clicking the link in my sig (don't worry, you don't have to opt-in) or by checking out this press release: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/09/prweb434473.htm
Christy
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2006 13:11
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Whats the product? apart from "closing your leads" for you, what else does PAS involve?
I did hear someplace its a well run, over hyped ponzi scam, as it has no products or services and money simply rotates around.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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thinker77
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2006 11:30
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To the people who already joined PAS.
This looks more and more confusing to me.
"PAS is great to promote my additional businesses".
That's fantastic, but I have no additional businesses.
"I would hate to rely just on the ad packs for my traffic though."
So, the ad packs aren't effective, or what ?
Then in another thread I read that if you join PAS you have to set up a website and to put in quite some work to make it work. Doesn't a website come with the system ? Isn't PAS doing the promotion ?
A google ad promises a serious report about PAS but it's only a website to make you start with PAS, the one who made the 'report' being your sponsor, of course.
Someone says she gives a lot of support to the people she is sponsoring. This is great also. But isn't the system supposed to do all the work ?
Another one tells me "10 minutes a day and the system works for
you to make a great income". He claims though he does this work full time for a living and therefore is busy with it all day. Why, if ten minutes is enough ? Is he making a few millions a month or so ?
OK, that's all very nice to read, now my question :
Can anyone explain me what PAS does ? (don't explain to me what PAS IS, I can make that conclusion myself when I have all the information)
Is it really a 'passive system' to make an income ? Does it do all the promotion itself ? Why disclaimers like 'some people might earn nothing if they don't bring people to their website(s)' ? Isn't the system + the ad packs doing the promotion and bringing people to the website ?
So, if I choose for the 'passive' approach (thus not bringing people to a website) and I let the automatic system do the work, I won't make any money then ?
If it's an automatic system it's an automatic system, if not, then not.
Why aren't you people honest and tell what PAS does, how it works, what does a subscriber have to do and what not ?
I'm convinced money can be made with it - I don't think everyone here lies - but I would like to see facts and figures.
Is it automatic, ok, if it's not, just let me know, I won't start crying.
Is 190 $ a month for promotion enough or not ? Just tell me, I can handle the truth.
If you are so sure of this PAS system, why don't you just make a thread and say what has to be done and what not, what has to be paid for and what not (and how much), what works automatically and what not ? What are the things your 'potential sponsor' normally doesn't tell you ?
Etc etc. I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate your honesty.
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PASharvey
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2006 18:01
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Hey Thinker,
If you don't have any other businesses then you can market just PAS itself or they have products for you that you can also promote if you choose to do so. I only market PAS itself and a lot of other members do and are doing very well. You can also add things anytime if you find something else that you start later down the road. It gives you options and flexabiltiy.
The ad packs are effective for people who want to start with PAS and decide to be totally passive. It will work for you but a lot slower and in less volume. The big money makers in PAS are active in ther business and advertise in thier own ways. Again, it's really what your goals are and what you hope to get from PAS. My sponser is totally passive and makes one sale a month on average by doing nothing but ad packs.
As to having to make your own wesite....NO! You get the website when you sign up.
What is PAS? I think the answer is pretty simple and I won't run you in circles. It's a way to make money. A very effective way to make money. I'll use my sponser for example. He does nothing with PAS but buy the ad packs and let it do its thing and makes an extra $3000 a month minus his marketing efforts which still turns a $2500 profit. All by doing pretty much nothing. That's why you hear 10 minutes a day and totally passive, automated, self promoting claims that are out there. It's very possible for it to work for you if that's the road you choose to take. Once again, that's totally up to you.
When you find people who say they offer support it's because people want to take an active approch in PAS. Sometimes people get into PAS having no idea what they are doing or why they joined except that they want to better thier financial situation. If you have no marketing background it's good to have someone show you they way and help you make the money you want. There is also tons of support within PAS through training calls and other things to help you land on your feet. I have found that most people within PAS are very friendly and helpful people.
You get out of PAS what you put into it just like anything else in life. You can spend less than $300 in advertising and still turn a pretty good profit. It's all about advertising in the right places. Quality is better than quantity. Yes, you will have to do something though. It's not going to over take your life or even be something you consider a job but you will have to do something if you want to make good money. Most people want someone to just give them truck loads of cash but we all know that if you want something in life you have to earn it. I would rather work for what I have anyway but that's my personal opinion.
On your question of what your potential sponser doesn't tell you.....I would hope they are telling you everything you want to know. I bugged and bugged my sponser before I joined. Although he is totally passive and I choose to be active he could answer a lot of the quesions I was asking or atleast point me in the right direction. He doesn't market outside of ad packs so when I came with marketing questions I was on my own at that point. But like I said, people within PAS will gladly help you find your way.
I hope this information answers some of your questions. I'm sure I have missed something so if I did just let me know and I will gladly answer it for you
Casey
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shun
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2006 18:45
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This is what PAS does
A fellow PAS member stated it best:
With its Automated Prospector, PAS looks for prospects through search engines and off-line advertising bringing them to the member's website. Once there, the system acts like a filter that gets rid of all the "tire-kickers" through its unique elimination process, leaving only the serious prospects that are ready to buy. These quality "opt-ins" then request to be contacted. One of the team leaders from the system contacts these prospects and answers all their questions in a non-pressure, non-salesman-attitude way, ending in 80% closing ratio.
That's with the adpacks. Which is $190 a month.
So you are marketing a marketing system. You have reseller's rights to it.
$190 a month might be enough to make a very significant income a month, it might not be. Nobody can guarantee how many sales you will make from an adpack. Just like if 50 people come to your store to buy something, that doesn't mean 25 or even 5 people will buy something, but you have a better chance.
That's why some people promote outside of adpacks, because the more traffic you have the better your chance of making more sales. You will send that traffic to your website and then hey, the system takes over from there.
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2006 05:23
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bkamanski,
Good for you! I hope you make it!! Good luck and I hope the furture holds great things for you! Hopefully I see you at the top
Casey
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2006 12:23
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Quoting: shun $190 a month might be enough to make a very significant income a month, it might not be. Nobody can guarantee how many sales you will make from an adpack. Just like if 50 people come to your store to buy something, that doesn't mean 25 or even 5 people will buy something, but you have a better chance.
That's why some people promote outside of adpacks, because the more traffic you have the better your chance of making more sales. You will send that traffic to your website and then hey, the system takes over from there.
I can't help thinking that, on average, the packs at best will result in a sale sooner or later, maybe in some six months. And they don't seem to be improving from what I read on various forums. Hmm... not very exciting.
Now, please don't wallop me for this, but I have a fair idea that several people here are also with, or are considering, Predator.
I also have a gut feel that thier Lead generation in partnership with Veretekk may achieve much better results.
Is anyone with experiance with Predator willing to comment on results achieved?
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2006 22:48
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Quoting: cowgirlkendra To barefootmentor and Christy,
Thank you both for your replies. If I decide to sign up for PAS, what can I expect in the way of support? Are there differences between who I choose as your sponsor? I've searched and it appears that everyone says they offer "support", but what does that really mean?
Kendra,
I can't speak for others but ... I offer several live online trainings weekly in my online conference room. My trainings focus on online training for internet marketing strategies. Do a google search you will probably find one of my training announcements.
I use a non email system to communicate desktop to desktop. Personaly I don't like relying on email anymore. If the spam filters don't catch your email it gets lost in the spam email in your inbox. The non-email system avoids all of the email mess. Come to one of my trainings and I'll show you how it works.
I'm sure are there are lots of different levels of support. It's all in what you are looking for.
A fellow horse rider,
Cindy McAsey
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2006 07:07 · Edited by: wealthymom36
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My qualifying sale came from an adpak. He was listening to XM Satellite Radio in his car, got the URL down, came home and typed it. Got on my site, paid for his Premier package. That took three adpaks.
And the thing that he was impressed with is the fact that he found out about PAS on the radio.
So...do not under estimate the power of adpaks...they may take more time, but - in my case - for $190 x 3, I got a $3,000 sale. Not bad.
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2006 12:22
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| Predator marketing system | PAS | Veretekk lead generation system | multiple income streams |
Now I know I started this thread and had some bum things to say about PAS. I have softened a bit but I have also spoken with a lot of folks who invested $4-10k in PAS and haven't made a dime.
Why? They don't understand Internet marketing. they though they would make big bucks promoting some generic PAS squeeze page with adwords or just sit back and do their "9 minutes weekly".
Result? No income.
Predator Marketing System is, despite the name, a completely different story. I was with the Predator parent program before and was moved by the integrity of it. So lets get beyon the name and look at what Predator offers:
- Its a training-based program. You get to plug into large amounts of cutting-edge training in how to market the system. if your sponsor knows a lot about marketing, you get the benefit of that, too.
- A team of closers makes calls and closes system sales at the Gold and Platinum level. Silver members don't get this service, but a good sponsor may make some calls on your behalf or close sales for you in the beginning.
-It, like PAS, promotes multiple income streams. That is its purpose. I tell everybody not to get hung-up on the cashflow, which can be great, but to look at the long-term potential of a system which promotes many income streams.
-The Veretekk lead generation system is very powerful and economical. One must learn the skills to promote it however. This is taught in daily, ongoing live trainings. Veretekk works, but only for those who take the time to comprehend it.
Lets get real. Unskilled marketers don't make any money. No system does it all for you. There is no reliable way to make money on the net without exercising your brain.
I'm still unimpressed with PAS, mostly because the hype continues to cause a great deal of pain among the poor folks who fell for it. I'm sure the call center is good... but its also clear that just buying a lot of advertising is a hopelessly naieve way to go about marketing it, or any other program. General market competition is conquered though niche-market targeting and smart,
content-driven marketing.
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# Posted: 21 Sep 2006 00:24 · Edited by: barefootmentor
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Quoting: malibumentor I feel its a money game that preys on people's desire for success with
no work. At present 73% are not qualified to make money. It only sells itself. I have checked out lots of PAS sites and never seen another business or opportunity being promoted out front with it.
What is the purpose of this system?
It only seems to be about signing up new associates.
I just had to make a comment here Mailbumentor,
I noticed today that your are now promoting the Predator Marketing System. For those of you who haven't heard Predator is very much like PAS... the one up comp plan is almost exactly the same... the biggest difference is... Predator has training instead of ad packs.
By the way to me that is a good thing. If you think about it.. this is a great analogy. Give someone a fish and he will eat for a day... teach him how to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
That's exactly what Predator Marketing System does is teach people how to market it.
Actually though if you are on my PAS team you get both... a awesome marketing system and taught how to market it.. by the way mailbumentor.. I have doubled the sign ups coming into my primary business with PAS so hey it does work!!!
I'm an advanced gold trainer in Veretekk the system that's what Predator trainers teach you how to use VERETEKK to drive traffic. I've been using Veretekk for many months to drive traffic to PAS so hey what can I say I know it works...
You can call these marketing systems anything you want, but bottom line if they are marketed correctly they work. The key is training, commitment, and mindset.. if you master those components you will succeed.
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# Posted: 21 Sep 2006 20:39
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Okay ... when going to W/S, and clicking on "See the products my
PAS system markets
for me:" Nothing comes up.
Comments tell me, you'd better be a good Internet marketer to do well with PAS.
So, without you pros going nuts. Please tell me, us, where to find very good marketing programs for dummies. Hence, tag "howto."
I need a system that will market, promote, talk too, convince, and sell prospects into customers.
So ... any help in this regard will be appreciated by me and perhaps other Internet Marketing dummies out there.
So, give us some real bona fide [truthful] how to's.
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2006 16:51
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Forget the "Convincing" part. When somebody has been "convinced" the ground is ripe for buyer's remorse. I don't want that on my conscience and I certainly don't want to deal with a chargeback.
If you expect to make money with any internet program you need to be a good marketer, period. There are several proven systems out there which do quite a lot for you but there is no program that does it all reliably. PAS tried to do it with the adpacks, but those are so unreliable many experienced promoters don't recommend them.
If you want to BE an internet marketr you need to study what the successful marketers do. You need to DO the types of things they DO. You need to think for yourself, and if you do these things eventually you may merit the professional level of compensation you desire.
This is not a playing field where amateurs make the big bucks. Learn the skills and you may then HAVE the compensation.
Few people do this for real. Most blunder about and approach it like a lottery. That's why most folks in most of the programs spend more than they make.
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2006 18:12
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Okay ... your talking about becoming a good Internet marketer.
There's a ton of "programs" out there saying they can do this, and do that.
What some of us need is someone willing to mentor, I guess. To help people choose the right program.
Then the real work begins, meaning a mentor, to help guide the person, even coach them a bit.
Else, they will flaying about like a ground bound fish.
Would appreciate some take on the above.
Thanking you in advance . . .
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2006 23:38
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Okay, The parent of Predator is a company called Mentors on a Mission. The credo of this organization, something I believe in fervently, is to "put 10,000 people on the path to enlightened financial freedom,"
while there is a learning curve to the trade of internet marketing...
and a personal development curve to prepare oneself to receive prosperity and abundance, I am a product of that training, which is included with the Gold Predator Marketing System.
There is no substitute for study. The way to become a leader is to....
Become a Leader,
The way to find a mentor is to step up work to attain the knowledge to become one yourself. I gently nudge, prod, chide and encourage the folks I work with, but do I do hand holding?
No. That I reserve for girlfriends and young children. This is business, and success in business requires that one self-educate and take decisive action.
Good mentors are busy people and while the best are patient and kind, the people who succeed are those who figure most things out for themselves.
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 10:33
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PAS is not a scam. However, it does require hard work if you want to make money. People who join PAS and expect to sit back, do nothing and earn money are mistaken. After a few months of hard work with PAS you can work for just a few hours and week and earn a handsome income but you need to put the effort in to get your system going.
I have been successful with PAS and I know many others who have been as well. As with most online businesses, if you are willing to learn, research, spend some money and work hard, you can earn money.
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2006 18:20
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I sent this out to my lsubscribers recently:
"A lot of people come into the home-business arena hoping,
hoping for a solution to their desperate financial situations:
- Mountains of debt.
- No f.r.e.e. time
- Unfullfilling jobs that don't pay well enough.
While its possible to generate a lot of cash-flow quickly
with a program like Predator, it takes work
to do this. Making money in internet marketing takes
a set of skills that cannot be learned in a weekend, in
a week, or in a month.
Skill development is an ongoing process. When we
s top focussing on making money and start focussing
on putting out quality information on the net, people
are attracted to that information.
This is what works for me.
You don't have to do it this way.
You can spend a lot of money on adverting if you prefer.
You can spend a lot of time posting f.re.e. ads or clicking
on traffic exchanges. (The above methods DO work, BTW).
But I recommend producing content. Thats what I do.
I don't put a lot of time into writing content. Maybe 1/2
hour daily.
I don't expect content to make me money. I expect it to
increase my presence on the net.
With increased presence on the net I attract more people
to my website. With more people I make more sales.
With more sales I make money.
I don't think about how much money I need to make.
If I need to make some money, I go on Craigslist and
hustle a carpentry or handyman job.
To build an internet marketing empire I produce content.
Sometime I make money. But its not a cash-on demand
thing. The way to get cash-on-demand is to work for it...
trade hours for money, or work a program where you call
leads. I can show you such a program if you like.
That's how to get "cash on demand" in network marketing,
C ALL LEADS.
You probably are tired of calling leads.
Marketers only get "cash on demand" when they have
built very substantial lists. If you don't have the list
you will have to
a) trade hours for money..
c) buy leads and call them
I don't do either of these things. Money just comes
sometimes as a result of the information I have produced.
Blessings,
Loren Woirhaye"
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