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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 16 May 2006 09:43
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Wow! PAS has it's own subsection of the forum now!  It looks a little silly without any info listed here though, so for those reading this, the thread that was running on this forum for this topic is here: http://www.work-at-home-forum.com/14_1109_0.html (just so you can take a look at previous comments)
Now for some general info:
The Prosperity Automated System is an all-in-one marketing system. It sells itself, it sells your other businesses that you are part of by providing you with advertising space for those products/businesses and it can be conducted as a totally passive, hands-free home based business if that is how you choose to run it. 
Basically, I like to describe PAS to people as a "traffic funnel". Many of us have businesses/products that we want to promote and we spend tons of money advertising each individually instead of utilizing some kind of "funnel" to get the most out of our traffic. Yes, I do realize that some people create their own websites to market all in one place, but does that website create an additional income stream for them, and sell itself, with no work by the site owner, for steady $1100 or $3000 commissions?
PAS does just that.
You get the opportunity to list up to 6 of your own businesses/products on your PAS website, then you drive traffic to that website and all 6 of your businesses get instant exposure! You then just have to run your follow ups for those businesses (as usual) and watch the profits come in! In addition, if someone is interested in buying a PAS system just like yours, they can request a callback, be followed up by a PAS employeed tour guide and if they decide to buy, you will be notified and receive a commission on either $1100 or $3000 for your sale!
PAS is owned by the Prosperity Network which is headed by Bill Osterhout. It is a 12 year old, debt free company out of California.
I guess that's all I wanted to post in terms of general info. At least that will give those who are new and interested in PAS some basic knowledge and a place to start with their questions.
Regards,
Christy
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str8tothetop
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# Posted: 16 May 2006 20:00
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I see alot more messages on PAS then I do on 1step. I may have to take another look at PAS. The only problem I saw was how to convince people to fork out $3k. Seems would only be a limted market to pull from.
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freedomforever
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# Posted: 17 May 2006 00:19
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You don't need to convince anyone to fork out any money at all.
This system is automated and your sales are closed by team leaders.
I hope that helps.
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RainMkr
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# Posted: 17 May 2006 01:26
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That's right that what sets PAS above the rest. Sit back and let the experts do the rest, unless your Christy then the team leaders call her to close the sale. 
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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 17 May 2006 08:05
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Quoting: RainMkr That's right that what sets PAS above the rest. Sit back and let the experts do the rest, unless your Christy then the team leaders call her to close the sale.
LOL! I had to take a look at your site to see who you were, Chris. 
Good to see another MMGer here.
I'm not sure that I would be doing quite as well as I have if I were closing the sales on my own though so don't give these folks the wrong impression. :p
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1UPSUCCESS
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# Posted: 28 May 2006 04:42
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Quoting: str8tothetop I see alot more messages on PAS then I do on 1step. I may have to take another look at PAS. The only problem I saw was how to convince people to fork out $3k. Seems would only be a limted market to pull from.
When people are looking for a business opportunity they look at the cost of getting involved. So yes, I agree with you that 3K (actually its closer to 4K) to get involved with the PAS business opportunity is quite expensive for the average person. Then they look at how much time and effort it will take to make money. However, it has been my experience that when people see a value and BELIEVE that they could succeed in a venture they will find the money and time to get involved!
The 1UP model of perpetual income is a proven and a very lucrative way to generate large amounts of money. I am going to explain to you how this model can make you a very wealthy person. Lets just say that you got started in a very small 1UP business model that cost you only $3.00 to get started.
Lets also say that I am the recipient of the $3.00. Now, you need to bring one more person in and give him/her to me because I showed you this model. I just made $3.00 from you. Thats just GREAT! Now, do I just take YOUR money and run?? NO! I have a vested interest in you. Why? Because I know your next person comes to me.
Am I going to be motivated to help you bring in that qualifier? Of course I am! But wait just one minute here, you might say...When I give you my qualifier and I break free from you, you no longer have a vested interest in me! WRONG! I have showed you everything that worked for me and guess what, it worked for you too! You got your qualifier did'nt you? And when you refer your new people to me for testimony I will validate your claims! Thats called synergy!
What works for me will work for you and everyone that you bring in. It just keeps going and going! OK, I am now $6.00 richer and you are "qualified"!! Now, you do the same things you did to get that 1st qualifier and you will be on you way!
Lets just say that you brought in 10 people. Hey thats $30.00 ($30,000.00 PAS money) for you right? Now lets say that only 5 of those folks are actively working this model. You will receive their 1UP's very quickly which will be another $15.00 ($15,000.00 PAS money) You are now at $45.00 ($45,000.00 PAS money).
The beauty of the 1 UP model is that it is perpetual income. Remember the other 5 that just wanted to buy AD Paks and do this in a totally passive way? Yes it may take them a little longer but they will net you another $45.00 ($45,000.00 PAS money).
With only 10 people and their 1UP's you will be very close to $100,000.00 in a very short period of time! 1UP systems are very lucrative. Wherever you can get involved in a 1UP system that is legal and ethical, I strongly encourage you to get involved. If it is a passive 1UP system, thats even better!
I am speaking from experience from past and present 1UP systems that I have been involved with. The examples are just that! Examples of how anyone could generate large amounts of money with 1UP models!
Hope this helps
Regards Michael
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Blackcat
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# Posted: 29 May 2006 21:52
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Hi all, CHECK THIS OUT BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION TO JOIN.
I was thinking about joining PAS, and before anyone spends $4K plus, check out the many pages of research and discussion on this at http://www.hyipdiscussion.com I looked in some other forums, and found mostly cheerleaders, but not many facts. While this isn't a hyip, someone asked a question and a researcher started digging and found a lot of questionable stuff. I have no connection with them, just found it yesterday. Not a member or poster there. After spending hours reading, I will regretfully pass. I'd love to get rich quick, but I'm afraid this is a pyramid scheme. Also, the fact that the checks go to the reps can open them to legal liability if an unhappy downline decides to sue. The guarantee has changed a couple times, read it carefully and be sure you understand it.
With all that said, there's no question that a lot of people are making money there. There are also a lot of people, it seems, who are NOT making any money. It's just not a program I'd be comfortable being involved with. Just wanted to pass on the results of my DD.
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pspark72
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# Posted: 31 May 2006 01:06
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Hi. I joined Prosperity Automated System (PAS) back in April. At first I decided to be completely passive, but now I'm actively promoting it. Some of the methods I'm using include free traffic exchanges, search engine marketing (Google Adwords), discussion board postings, link exchanges, and lead capturing programs.
The one that has worked particularly well recently is the lead capturing and autoresponder programs such as getresponse.com. Since I started to promote my business, I've had dramatically more prospects who requested call-backs from PAS team leaders. Right now I have three prospects who are ready to buy the system. I'm excited about it.
I've heard from my sponsor that on average, each advertising dollar you spend will return $7. That's 700% return from advertising, and I can testify to that. My advice is to join this program, because there is nothing easier, simpler, or more profitable out there. Sure, the initial investment of $1995 or $3895 may be a lot of money to most people, but for anyone considering to start his/her own business, this is only a fraction of the startup cost of a traditional business. I joined when they offered a 100% +$500 money back guarantee, so this is a riskfree investment as well.
You have to invest a lot to gain a lot. Small investment, small return. Big investment, big return. It's as simple as that.
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1UPSUCCESS
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# Posted: 31 May 2006 01:37
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Quoting: Blackcat Hi all, CHECK THIS OUT BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION TO JOIN.
I was thinking about joining PAS, and before anyone spends $4K plus, check out the many pages of research and discussion on this at http://www.hyipdiscussion.com I looked in some other forums, and found mostly cheerleaders, but not many facts. While this isn't a hyip, someone asked a question and a researcher started digging and found a lot of questionable stuff. I have no connection with them, just found it yesterday. Not a member or poster there. After spending hours reading, I will regretfully pass. I'd love to get rich quick, but I'm afraid this is a pyramid scheme. Also, the fact that the checks go to the reps can open them to legal liability if an unhappy downline decides to sue. The guarantee has changed a couple times, read it carefully and be sure you understand it.
With all that said, there's no question that a lot of people are making money there. There are also a lot of people, it seems, who are NOT making any money. It's just not a program I'd be comfortable being involved with. Just wanted to pass on the results of my DD.
It is very wise to do research on any program that one has an interest to join. However, there are and always will be people that will have negative things to say about anything. There is NOT one Home Based Business that does NOT have anything negative being said about them. I am a person that has done his DD and I know that I can succeed with PAS or anything that I get involved with. I do not measure my success with the failures of others. Whether its PAS or anything else that I do, I WILL succeed and teach others to do the same...
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iconenterprises
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# Posted: 31 May 2006 16:40
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PAS Support (or Lack Thereof)
As a PAS member, I had submitted a support request to PAS some time ago (27 days ago, to be exact). During a recent members-only teleconference, a member asked Bill O. about the whole support ticket system issue. Bill's response could basically be summarized as: If you want an answer to a support issue, just voice your concern via one of their members calls ... which means that you must be available to be on the call at the date and time they have scheduled it.
For me, this poses quite an inconvenience. In my opinion, if they're not planning on replying to any past support tickets, then they should pull down the support ticket system altogether until they believe they have the manpower to properly address the issues. I had waited over 20 days only to find out the there was very little likelihood that my ticket would ever be addressed (unless I called in and voiced it during a membership teleconference).
Another way to look at it ... they've apparently had enough time to strike a deal with not just one, but TWO other opportunity sources (IPG8 & Freedom Rocks), but they have yet to solve their glaring support issues. These kind of collaborations usually take a considerable amount of time in planning and execution (we formed several of these back in the days of my previous company). In my personal opinion, they are focusing on the wrong priorities.
Now, please don't get me wrong, expansion can be a good thing. But, it should be executed carefully, with a robust support system in place prior to adding additional components to their business model...
If you'd like to get ongoing real-time updates concerning PAS events (along with other business opportunities), you can subscribe to our free newsletter via the sig line below.
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srosat
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# Posted: 8 Jun 2006 23:17
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The Prosperity Automated System really a PASSIVE income opportunity? and new policy...
Hi,
I have joined the Prosperity Automated System in April, but I am a little disappointed as PAS is supposed to be a PASSIVE system. Indeed to succeed I got to do a lot of advertisement, follow-up of prospects,... to make some few sales! The initial concept of PAS to be a passive income generator has disappeared... and with the new policy that the sale will be to the owner of the website from where the prospect has submitted a callback request, this is also against the passivity of the system... To be assured that "our" prospects submit a callback request from "our" website, we have to do some follow-up ourselves! Usually it takes several months for the prospect to decide to join PAS... In the meantime, the prospect will have collected some info about PAS and visited some other members' PAS websites, from where he may submit the CallBack request...
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# Posted: 9 Jun 2006 15:09
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Since my last post, I actually received not one, but TWO replies from PAS Support, by different individuals. It would appear that they truly are making every effort to improve.
Regarding AdPaks, I often am asked by my readers about the performance of the "new" AdPaks. I had let my PAS system lie "dormant" (no AdPaks) for about a month during the period in which they transitioned to their new website (amongst other things they were in the midst of improving).
I've just acquired 2 rotations for the next 8 weeks. The 2 AdPaks became active just moments ago. I'll be sure to update everyone here as the results come in.
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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2006 08:46
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Quoting: srosat The Prosperity Automated System really a PASSIVE income opportunity? and new policy...
Hi,
I have joined the Prosperity Automated System in April, but I am a little disappointed as PAS is supposed to be a PASSIVE system. Indeed to succeed I got to do a lot of advertisement, follow-up of prospects,... to make some few sales! The initial concept of PAS to be a passive income generator has disappeared... and with the new policy that the sale will be to the owner of the website from where the prospect has submitted a callback request, this is also against the passivity of the system... To be assured that "our" prospects submit a callback request from "our" website, we have to do some follow-up ourselves! Usually it takes several months for the prospect to decide to join PAS... In the meantime, the prospect will have collected some info about PAS and visited some other members' PAS websites, from where he may submit the CallBack request...
Hi Srosat,
I respect your comment here and it is actually something that is brought up quite often in regard to the business.
I guess that everyone has their own definition of "passive" in terms of a home-based business. For me, the passive side of this is in the fact that I don't have to make myself available 24-7 to run follow ups. THAT'S HUGE! I have a family and I am not much for talking on the phone, so having someone do that for me is awesome!
In terms of the change in the "sponsor tie" policy, it's sort of a give and take.
Question- Who was benefitting the most from the doorway tie?
Answer- The person who was doing their own promotion and just "banking" future potential sign ups.
That wouldn't leave much hope for the future of the new people would it?
Under the new policy, I actually see a more level playing field. Yes, as you said, people do "shop around". They visit multiple sites, they investigate various "DD" sources, BUT that last site that they visit and request a callback from just might be the site of someone still hoping for their qualifier and under this new policy, this callback wouldn't be reverted back to that guru proficient in SEO, PPC and/or with the huge contact list and deep pockets that caught their eye in the first place- this new policy helps alot more than it hurts.
Also, to say that it actually pushes you to HAVE to start doing follow up yourself is not really true. Those autoresponder messages that are sent through the corporate website are really good! They may be pushy but they get a response- whether good or bad- and that is what they should be doing.
It's very rare that I send out a mass personal email to my opt-ins- in fact, I only have 1 that I send which basically introduces myself, let's them know a little about my background and details my experience with PAS so far. Any potential sponsor should at least have that copy stowed away to send out, if for no other reason than to prove that there is a living, breathing human being behind the website.
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2006 08:55
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Quoting: Icon Since my last post, I actually received not one, but TWO replies from PAS Support, by different individuals. It would appear that they truly are making every effort to improve.
Regarding AdPaks, I often am asked by my readers about the performance of the "new" AdPaks. I had let my PAS system lie "dormant" (no AdPaks) for about a month during the period in which they transitioned to their new website (amongst other things they were in the midst of improving).
I've just acquired 2 rotations for the next 8 weeks. The 2 AdPaks became active just moments ago. I'll be sure to update everyone here as the results come in.
Good to hear that about the support team, Icon!
I can't wait to hear how those AdPaks work out for you.
I've still been running my own PPCs, got in on a TV ad co-op that Chris (RainMkr from the posts above) set up that starts running the 3rd of July and my team will be starting a direct mail campaign in the US this week!
I have a few of my downline members qualified and am hoping that between the TV co-op and the direct mailings, I'll be seeing a lot more of them getting qualified and putting themselves in profit. There is never a better feeling than helping someone else achieve their dreams.
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AmericanWorker
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2006 19:12
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Hi Wealthy WAHM,
Can you help me out here alittle bit? I'm kind of lost when it comes to marketing. I'm currently a PAS member using only the ad paks...You mentioned a PPC campaign. How is that working out for you and would you recommend it as an advertising method for others? I am not in your line of sponsership so, if you rather not share the info. with me thats ok. I understand. Just looking for some easy pointers to get this thing going.
Thanks
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hardworker
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# Posted: 1 Jul 2006 23:41
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Hi I am interested in signing up with this system however I have never personally done anything like this before it looks exactly what I need.. I have a way of generating web based up to 400 qualified leads a day for bizz opp however I am not a sales person.. So my question is this if I generate 400 leads a day i give them to my upline to make the sale how do I know personally that this person isnt giving credit to someone else for my leads.. For instance lets say I get 30-40 sales from 400 leads thats 10% of all leads whats to say they dont say well you got 20 sales but in all actuallity I got 40 or more? Is there a way to verify to make sure I dont get ripped off
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1UPSUCCESS
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2006 04:35
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Quoting: hardworker Hi I am interested in signing up with this system however I have never personally done anything like this before it looks exactly what I need.. I have a way of generating web based up to 400 qualified leads a day for bizz opp however I am not a sales person.. So my question is this if I generate 400 leads a day i give them to my upline to make the sale how do I know personally that this person isnt giving credit to someone else for my leads.. For instance lets say I get 30-40 sales from 400 leads thats 10% of all leads whats to say they dont say well you got 20 sales but in all actuallity I got 40 or more? Is there a way to verify to make sure I dont get ripped off
hardworker,
Don't worry about your leads going to anyone or getting ripped off. You will generate traffic to YOUR website only, not your UPLINE's website. Lets say that you do get 40 sales from your leads, your 1st sale goes to your UPLINE you will then be qualified and the remaining 39 will go to you....Hope that helps.
Michael
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hardworker
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# Posted: 2 Jul 2006 06:23
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Hi 1UPSUCCES
I understand what you are saying I know exactly how many leads I get each day but how can i verify how leads actually closed on sales? You see because I am giving the leads to someone else to follow up on.. Also whats the closing ratio of leads? Is it 17% or so?
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2006 00:11
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I would definately do my DUE DILIGENCE on this... ask how many sponsors are actually in profit!
I have been with 1step for about 2months now... and you ask if I am in profit? YES!!! I am! The company has made 8 sales for me since April 26, 2006 at $500/sale... you figure out. It is not $500 per day like the company states....BUT, it has paid my house AND car payments the last two months! lol
Scott
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WealthyWAHM
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2006 12:11
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Quoting: made2prosper I would definately do my DUE DILIGENCE on this... ask how many sponsors are actually in profit!
I have been with 1step for about 2months now... and you ask if I am in profit? YES!!! I am! The company has made 8 sales for me since April 26, 2006 at $500/sale... you figure out. It is not $500 per day like the company states....BUT, it has paid my house AND car payments the last two months! lol
Scott
Yes, Scott, due diligence is key.
I'm happy to hear that you are doing so well with 1-step, as I mentioned in another thread, not so many that I know in that program are as fortunate as you say you are. So, there are 2 sides to every coin.
Myself, I joined PAS 4 1/2 months ago, have my advertising on autopilot and am averaging 2-4 PAS sales per week at this point. To date, I have made over $80,000, and already have 4 confirmed sales paying this week, so that will set me over the $90,000 mark and actually closer to $100K.
How about my downline? Well, not all of them are qualified yet, but we are getting there. I have supplied them with a ton of tools to help make it happen and all the assistance and support that they need.
They get access to a full team resource website, with several suggested advertising resources, a quick guide to PPC which I made up so that they can mimic the advertising that gets me my results, they have access to a well tested direct mail opportunity created just for the team and the TV co-op opportunity that we are testing right now.
On top of that, they all know that I have a "magic number" in mind as far as number of paylines and once I reach it, I will be going back and helping them with the sales I bring in afterwards. I'm not greedy and see no reason to keep running my paylines to infinity when others could use the assistance. 
I'm really hoping that I hit that "magic number" in the next couple months- I am well over half way there!
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2006 12:16
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Quoting: AmericanWorker Hi Wealthy WAHM,
Can you help me out here alittle bit? I'm kind of lost when it comes to marketing. I'm currently a PAS member using only the ad paks...You mentioned a PPC campaign. How is that working out for you and would you recommend it as an advertising method for others? I am not in your line of sponsership so, if you rather not share the info. with me thats ok. I understand. Just looking for some easy pointers to get this thing going.
Thanks
Hi American Worker! I hope you are doing well! I remember talking to you in the other PAS thread before we got our own section.
PPC is a fantastic method of advertising as long as you get some education in how to do it properly... My suggestion to you would be to get yourself the "Perry Marshall Guide" and at least study that before attempting. There are a lot of mistakes that you can make, without the right education, that can cost you a lot of money.
It's all about targeting and monitoring to find what works and what doesn't...
Good luck to you with it if you decide to give it a try!
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2006 15:58
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I am looking for a sponsor for the PAS system. I am looking for a sponsor who would qualify me without having to pass up the one training sale. Easy money for you! Please write to [email protected] if this someone is you. Sound crazy? Think about it! 3K for you for doing nothing? Why the heck not?
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2006 20:33 · Edited by: malibumentor
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While Adwords may work to promote PAS, etc... you will be going up against some very sophisticated players in that arena. Because PAS may or may not last, somme promoters are more than willing to spend several dollars a click to get as many signups as possible.
I read Perry Marshall's book twice and began marketing with Google. My initial results were dismal, but after a lot of testing and observation I'm getting leads at about $2-3 each. Not bad, considering ther have been funneled through sites with my own writing and picture,etc.
My experience with adwords has been that it takes time and testing to produce cost-effective results with it. One PAS owner,
a very proficient blogger and al-round excellent SEO marketer, told me she had to get about 700 hits to get a sale, and that number may have increased since then.
Say you just want to advertise on Google and make some money without taking the time to develop blogs, write articles and all that other fun stuff shoestring marketers like me do.
You go for the top spot in Google, bidding against Charlie Golick, for say $3.oo/ hit. Worst case scenario the sale cost you $2100.oo each. Perhaps $3.oo per hit is a lot, but try some testing to see if you can get on page one, then in the top five, etc... No doubt, promoters in the top 2 positions get more signups because they appear to be making so much money they can afford to consistently grab thoe spots.
Not to worry, there are cheaper ways to get get traffic, but GASP!
they take the dreaded activity of "WORK". Generating targeted traffic is among the hardest things to do. Google is good, but man, you better have a unique selling proposition like a rebate on the PAS sale or something to distinguish yourself from all the "can it be true, learn the truth - YES its absolutely TRUE! We are all going to get rich with PAS!" review sites.
By the way, don't steal my rebate idea. I think I'll use that one to get rich this month.
There is company I spoke with which will develop adwords campaigns for you at $500 to set it up and $250 per month to optimize it. I'm hearing leads through this system cost $10-25 each, but they are probably very high quality. If you could get callback requests for $100.oo a pop it might be worth it.
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2006 20:56
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Quoting: malibumentor While Adwords may work to promote PAS, etc... you will be going up against some very sophisticated players in that arena. Because PAS may or may not last, somme promoters are more than willing to spend several dollars a click to get as many signups as possible.
I read Perry Marshall's book twice and began marketing with Google. My initial results were dismal, but after a lot of testing and observation I'm getting leads at about $2-3 each. Not bad, considering ther have been funneled through sites with my own writing and picture,etc.
My experience with adwords has been that it takes time and testing to produce cost-effective results with it. One PAS owner,
a very proficient blogger and al-round excellent SEO marketer, told me she had to get about 700 hits to get a sale, and that number may have increased since then.
Say you just want to advertise on Google and make some money without taking the time to develop blogs, write articles and all that other fun stuff shoestring marketers like me do.
You go for the top spot in Google, bidding against Charlie Golick, for say $3.oo/ hit. Worst case scenario the sale cost you $2100.oo each. Perhaps $3.oo per hit is a lot, but try some testing to see if you can get on page one, then in the top five, etc... No doubt, promoters in the top 2 positions get more signups because they appear to be making so much money they can afford to consistently grab thoe spots.
Not to worry, there are cheaper ways to get get traffic, but GASP!
they take the dreaded activity of "WORK". Generating targeted traffic is among the hardest things to do. Google is good, but man, you better have a unique selling proposition like a rebate on the PAS sale or something to distinguish yourself from all the "can it be true, learn the truth - YES its absolutely TRUE! We are all going to get rich with PAS!" review sites.
By the way, don't steal my rebate idea. I think I'll use that one to get rich this month.
There is company I spoke with which will develop adwords campaigns for you at $500 to set it up and $250 per month to optimize it. I'm hearing leads through this system cost $10-25 each, but they are probably very high quality. If you could get callback requests for $100.oo a pop it might be worth it.
$2-$3 per click?!- Yikes! I teach my people how to target effectively and tell them to set their bids no higher than $1- most of the words running in the $.20-$.50 per click range.
As for Charlie Golick, he really is no concern since he isn't targetting the kind of words that I tell them to try- though if he were, I would also be telling them NOT to compete with him for that top spot. The top spot isn't always the best spot.
It is all about testing and adjusting, but if you have a good teacher you shouldn't be spending $2100 in advertising before you get your first sale.
As for your rebate idea, no worries, I don't think any PAS members will be stealing that from you since it could possibly mean termination from the company. I have heard that offering "Free offers" to those that opt in and read your autoresponder messages day after day or week after week is quite effective and doesn't violate the rules in any way.
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# Posted: 13 Jul 2006 01:58
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I'll bet they didnt mean $2 per click- but $2 per conversion. Big difference there. I consider $2 per conversion to be about the top I will pay. If it gets much higher than that I'll tweak my campaign.
Unfortunately you are losing sales to these PAS bigwigs, without question. You may get an opt-in on your site, but that opt-in is most definitely surfin the information super highway once they have filled out your form...If someone else's site directs them to fill out a callback request form, you are toast.
I have seen this exact strategy-
there is a site with an information piece on PAS and the link on it takes you directly to the guy's callback request form.
Sneaky? Smart? Depends on your position.
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Kcannon
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2006 14:15
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Hi, I have been talking with someone a the PAS system. I am still a little skeptical, but why wouldn't you be? He is setting me up with a very nice offer. He is giving me a cusomer as my 1st sale and giving me a few ad packs. The only problem is that it is very hard for me to come up with the $3850 to join. I was wondeing if anyone would be willing to cover that fee, and when I mae my 1st 2 sales, I will pay you back the $3850 in full. Please let me know, Thank You
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hollyb25
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2006 01:36
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Kcannon,
That is a very generous offer by your sponsor, I don't even know if it is legal???
When anyone joins my PAS team I send them a welcome email explaining to them exactly how I have my site set up and how I handle my traffic. Of course it is completely up to them how they run their business but most are at least interested.
I also send them a cheat sheet that I have created called My Low or No Cost Advertising Methods for PAS. They are by no means secrets, but things that took me months to learn about.
No matter what advertising you use or how many adpaks you buy I think their are a few things that must be done in order to be successful in PAS. Once I figured those things out, my sales started coming
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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 21 Jul 2006 09:14
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You will hit that "Magic Number" with PAS.. I know I have. I started with PAS back in Novemer '05. I spend the bulk of my time teaching and trainings others how to market online using the marketing tools I use.
Even though my PAS income has surpassed my primary business income, my focus is and alway's will be my primary business that I have been in for 10 years. I know this is the business that I'll be passing down to future generations and in the long haul it's the ultimate residual income opprtunity.
Don't get me wrong I'm very thankful for PAS and the wonderful marketing system... heck I have doubled the sign ups going to my primary biz since joining PAS.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is even though these one up programs are wonderful for cash flow.. I'm talking about the ones I have used like, PAS & Mentors on a Mission ... people need to get to a point in their business where they are thinking long term. With one up programs once you have gotten your new recruit qualified then they are on their own unless you introduce them into a long term what I call "bread and butter" business.
Cindy McAsey
Barefoot in the Garden
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kellyg
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2006 01:31
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Something that has been brought to my attention is a fantastic feeder program for PAS called Success Synergy. I believe it deserves a strong look by anyone already in PAS as a great entry for someone that just can't muster the $4k.
Where else can you leverage in for only $175?
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loraug
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# Posted: 1 Aug 2006 12:15
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I've been looking at the PAS program, and am slightly confused. I'd appreciate any help that the experienced PAS members here could offer.
If you pay almost $4000 for this program, and then additional monthly of at least $190, and then you have to spend more time and money to do your own marketing because the system is not delivering as expected, what is it exactly that you're getting for all the money you've spent?
Why would anyone want to invest so much cash for a marketing program that's supposed to effectively market for you, and then when it doesn't, spend even more money and effort to market that program?
What am I not getting here?
Thanks for any help!
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