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iggyigette
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2008 17:15
alasycia: You know, I understand that people are fed up with the customer support delays - and the company is as fed up as we are. They are certainly giving it due importance - and I think that it is not correct to say that they are not.
I agree with Jenny here.
Unfortunately we are a society that expects "Quick Fixes" to problems...
ASD membership over the past few weeks have DOUBLED...what this means is that the DEMAND for support staff, service, Telephone folks, etc have just DOUBLED over just a matter of weeks.
I don't know of any company that can recruit, interview, hire, train TWICE the amount of Staff in that short amount of time...
It's an unrealistic expectation.
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westfam11
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2008 17:57
Iggy,
That is so true about getting trained workers in a short amount of time, it just isn't possible.
It is a shame that some people will not stick around and see this through but I definitely am. I am willing to be patient to reap the rewards.
Becky West
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EnjoyingItAll
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2008 18:40
I agree - give the staff time to learn thier jobs and get everything in order. We will profit either way, may have a bit of trouble with getting new people on board with the issues.
My recruites just got their money on their accounts today from the Las Vegas rally after sending tickets and a second phone call to the company. The customer service rep KJ was polite and handled everything perfectly in order to get it working for us. A big THANKS to KJ!!
I do have to say that the website does need a new look to it. Right now it looks a bit like a scam.
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EnjoyingItAll
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2008 18:44
Does anyone have advise regarding how often you update your cash balance into your ad packages?
Ex: if I have 200.00 in ad packages I am getting 2.00 /day for surfing.
Is it best to wait until this cash balance is up to a certain amount before updating it into the ad packages?
How does it impact the ad package if I were to upgrade daily vs waiting for a higher amount inregards to the ad package running out?
Thanks,
Enjoying It All
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iggyigette
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# Posted: 18 Jun 2008 18:49
EnjoyingItAll: How does it impact the ad package if I were to upgrade daily vs waiting for a higher amount inregards to the ad package running out?
It would depend on if there is a promotion that you can take advantage of.
For example, the current promotion ASD will give you a bonus of 25% if you upgrade over $500. In this case if you have $200, it will take forever to save your cash balance to get to $500 so it would be best to upgrade daily rather than waiting a few days at a time to upgrade. With daily upgrade you take advantage of Compounding returns.
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EnjoyingItAll
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 01:10
IF I compound 2.00 daily are my ad packages too small to do much in the long run?
or is it better to wait until I have 10.00 to upgrade?
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 06:46
I am a qualified banker but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out on Excel the exponential growth based on a 1% rebate and rolling back in 100% of rebates (not using 80%/20%). I used a model with daily surfing (6% a week) and my initial $5k was doubled by ASD to $10k. Then I have assumed (and have already) 5 people in my direct downline investing $500 each of which I get 10% of what they get and 5 people each from them (almost already achieved) with $500 each invested from which I also get 5% of what they get. It doesn't take too long to get to $1,000,000 in ad packages if you roll weekly profits (sorry, rebates!) back into ad packages. Maybe I am just lucky to have such a downline but I think a lot of people can achieve this and with say only 1,000 out of 60,000 people building up to $1,000,000 ad packs, that means ASD is paying out $240,000,000 in rebates a month! That's a lot of money in anybody's language. If 10,000 get to that level, which is only a matter of another year when you start at $500 and roll all back in, you have rebates amounting to numbers bigger than the national debt of a small country!! $28,800,000,000 to be precise per year and I haven't even included the small guys here!! That's a heck of a revenue. So, if rebates are adjusted, even to 0.1% the numbers are still very large to maintain and the rewards not quite so attractive!
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 06:52
paulthu...it doesn't take much to crumble confidence and lack of confidence causes a run...which causes collapse. Is it really worth ruining the prospects of the masses by nickel and diming over a fee for using a service? Come on, this is America!! Just ask them politely to reveal the facts and I am sure Andy will do so. He seems like a decent enough guy to me!
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alasycia
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 07:39 � Edited by: alasycia
Hi Nicholas,
I couldnt agree with you more about people using "scared tactics" to cause a run on a company. The sad part about it is the fact that it is so totally unecessary in the case of AdSurfDaily. They have everything in order, apart from their customer service, which has to catch up.
And I dont think that ANY White House incumbant gives awards to online scammers! LOL Whatever their political colour.
And Nicholas - this is The World - not just America! LOL ASD is an international company (you know that small place outside the US! LOL) - the same rules of integrity apply .
I think it is time we all got this into perspective.
I understand people's caution with internet opportunities. Many have been burnt in the past. Sometimes this happens because the companie are fraudulent. Sometimes this happens because of the business inexperience of the owners. AND sometimes it happens because people are very careless about what they join and DONT do their home work into the opportunity they join or read the small print. They join businesses that are obviously illegal or unsustainable or unsuitable for them - thinking that the fact that it is on the internet makes it magic.
Funny -. offline people look into the businesses they join BEFORE they spend their money. Why do they leave their brains in the closet when they join offline businesses.
Before I joined ASD I did my homework. It came up fine. And I continue to update my information. I have spent too long writing about the need for due diigence and how to look for red flags on online businesses to join something that is not straight or unsustainable. It has to do what it says it does, if i am going to promote it!! I have introduced people here and it means I have to look them in the face!!
The beauty of AdSurfDaily is that it is NOT an internet marketing company designed to attract internet marketers. It is an advertising company set up to bring in people from the World Wide Web to help them achieve success and change their lives. Maybe this sounds a little romantic - but it is Andy Bowdoin's vision and he is achieving it for many people already.
Apart from the much publicized millionaires, it is also helping a lot of very normal people to get out of debt, get off disability or unemployment etc etc. And this is not publicity - I personally know people who are doing this and many of you here will also know them.
So knowing that a company isnt perfect - doesnt make it a risk. These are all admin problems, not fundamental business ones. Of course there will always be people who dont like the design of the site - but remember Pablos's comment about Craigs List! Most important - We get to advertise and we get paid!
Jenny
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 08:31
Hi Jenny.
You are sadly mistaken. I am from Barbados and if you speak to most Bajans (locals) they will tell you quite emphatically that Barbados is the center of the universe..not America!
Joking aside, it took a lot of very convincing people to get me involved in ASD. I am not one to waste money nor waste time on something that cannot give me a good return on my investment. It is due to the fact that I got involved that so many people that know me were impressed (without saying a word) and now I have them in my downline...or will do when they get their admin act together!
I am still worried about the long term viability based on the numbers I mentioned in a previous post. Even Google isn't that big. They are going to need in excess of $50 billion a year in revenue to sustain the projected payouts with even a reasonable and pessimistic forecast growth. Alternatively, if rebates are reduced to say 0.1% daily instead (which is a maximum!), then the smaller participants will not be motivated to continue surfing.
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westfam11
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 08:37
Enjoyingitall,
You have to wait until you have 10.00 in your cash balance to upgrade. You cannot upgrade with 2.00.
Becky
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 08:40
iggyigette: Personally I am planning to get any cash investment back out before the end of the year so that any profits after that will be purely profits without any risk of your Principal Purchase Money.
Not to worry you or anything, but that is exactly how 12dailypro collapsed overnight.
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susanb
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 09:07
You can upgrade your cash balance into ad packages account any day you have $10 or more in cash balance. So in the beginning, you'll have to wait a few days to accumulate $10 in cash balance, in order to upgrade.
With only $200 in your account, it's best to upgrade whenever you have $10 or more in your cash balance.
Just keep building up your account right now. You'll notice the compounding effect really starts to take off once account reaches $2000.
If you put in $500 or more during promotions, ASD matches you 125% or 50% (depending on the current special), and that's a good strategy for helping your account grow faster.
Space out the new-money-in, so you can space out the eventual "dropoffs" of those amounts once you've been paid back 125% of their value. 
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 10:40
wow - this is getting interesting.... have just been watching to see what happens and I think Nicholas has done an awesome job at painting a picture of reality.
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wealthshare
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 13:41
I don't know if any of you have ever been affiliated with a company during a phase of momenum growth. I have. When I purchased my first ad packages in ASD end of April/ first week of May, I became a member in the 21,000 group of people to participate. Now, less than 2 months later there are over 54,000 advertisers.
A company can expand and hire within the infrastructure as needed. Andy has so much integrity that I know the company is now trying to hire and train as quickly as possible to cover the customer concerns.
When I was working in a company some 10 years ago that grew quickly, I was on the inside trying to meet the customers' needs...working incredible hours to make that happen.
Bottom line....understand that growing pains do happen in companies that grow quickly. Those that are aware and stick with it through the whole process are the ones who are rewarded.
Meanwhile, ease up on the company's workload by making sure to read all the FAQ's, the terms and conditions and attend the online trainings. This alone will eliminate a lot of unnecessary repetitive issues having to be addressed by new members and free up the company employees to do what they need to do!!
Onward and upward! This company is truly rocking, with integrity!!
I believe it is a gift to all that participate!
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bluedog24
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 13:52
So, if rebates are adjusted, even to 0.1% the numbers are still very large to maintain and the rewards not quite so attractive!
Do you mean this in a bad way, Nicholas? Do you think it is probable that percentages could get this low, so soon?
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alasycia
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:09
I dont believe that I am still reading that ASD and its paystructure and it revenue sources etc etc have anything to do with 12DailyPro. (Quite apart from the fact that ASD have not been so naive as use a processor like Storm Pay, who should also have been indited for some of their actions - like freezing accounts of 12Daily Pro members with OTHER unrelated funds in them too.)
Do you know how many victims of 12 Daily pro have joined ASD because it is so different? Because they have bothered to study it in depth and can see the differences and see the viability.
I dont think this arguement does any more than scare the hell out of people quite unecessarily.
We are receiving about 1% a day now in 2008 and with the additional corporate revenues we will probably be receiving more. We will take longer or shorter times to reach our goals, depending on the percentages.
ASD is not an investment company, it is a very low risk programme run by a very reputable and financially solid corporation.
i wish the "prophets of doom" would spend as much time and energy warning people about some of the highly suspect and non sustainable copycat versions of this programme that are around. Because they may very well dry up and if they do - we wont know where to find the owners, as there are no forwarding addresses on their site!
Now that would really be helping the newbies and innocents out there in cyberland
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wealthshare
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:17
Nicholas,
Thanks for your thoughts. Here are some of mine:
1) It is crucial that you use the terms the company is promoting. This is NOT an investment, this is online advertising designed to help you promote your own website business and receive rebates for doing so.
2) The math is interesting. I am wondering if it would be beneficial to take into account not only the constant influx of upgrades but more importantly the external revenue sources that are designed to fund the rebates. I think the key here is by meeting Andy's mission of being the largest internet online advertising company in the world, that we will have corporate sponsors looking to spend billions of dollars on advertising. In this case, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that advertisers are switching from television and print advertising to online. Andy is doing all he can to create a massive group of people paid to watch these ads. As companies sales increase through this venue so will the incoming revenue dollars.
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andrewh
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:32
Hi everyone,
I still have no sound on the ASD webroom conferences and InTouch's Tuesday and Thursday sessions with Bob Cefail? I'm working n Mac, and apparently there's no support on this platform from ASD nor InTouch.
Is anyone on today's (Thursday at 2:00pmEST) session regarding email letters? Is it being recorded for distribution? If not, can I get a recap from someone?
Thanks much,
Andrew
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:33
Oops, sorry about the typos...
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wealthshare
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 14:37
Paulthu,
Thanks for your input. I appreciate the diversity of ideas here.
My ideas:
1)I have not used Alert Pay or Solid Trust Pay so I am assuming what you are saying is true. If indeed they are not charging a processing fee and ASD is, then that point needs to be clarified. Andy's goal is to minimize expenses and turn over rebates to the advertisers working hard to promote their online businesses. I certainly have had to pay credit card processing fees to other companies in the past if I chose to pay by credit card rather than paying with cash, money orders, cashiers checks etc. I would have no problem paying the fee as long as it was spelled out clearly.
2)am really sorry to hear that you felt compelled to take such drastic measures...in my mind's eye, prematurely and unnecessarily.
My question would be how much did you pay in processing fees versus how much you received in rebates to successfully build your online business? Have you tried to successfully resolve your concern with the company?
I have seen any issues that have come up in ASD handled quickly and respectfully.
3) Personally I see no reason to stress ASD financial resources with superficially unnecessary lawsuits when getting rebates of 6% weekly on my ad purchases.
I wish you well in all you do and am truly sorry you are feeling it so necessary to go as far as to file a class action suit for a few dollars when the rewards here are so phenomenal. I am wondering what you have to gain by doing so.
I also wonder if you have attended any rallies or the convention? Are you on the training calls? Are you paying attention to how many issues are being addressed? Have you ever been in a company experiencing such growth AND with such rewards to help you and others build businesses?
In a time of economic struggle I would hope most would be grateful for this incredible opportunity. Have you met or spoken with any of the people whose lives have truly been transformed through this company? Might help you to seek some of them out as I did when I first got involved.
What is it you truly want to achieve? Have you actually met Andy?
I hope you rethink your drastic reaction. I do understand your frustration and do believe your issue needs to be addressed. I would first seek to address it from within the company structure.
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alasycia
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 15:11
Alert Pay and Solid Trust Pay do not charge the buyers a fee.
They charge the sellers a fee - and that is clearly stated on both sites. On alert pay they have it in small print underneath that they can also charge up 3.9% plus on certain types of business too. Even though they dont say which - we can imagine that they are talking about non physical product online businesses.
So you pay ASD or any other seller 100% they will receive less. Pay pal does the same and as I am a seller I can verify this.
So all ASD do is deduct from the amount of your purchases the charges they have had to pay. You send 100$ they receive (say) 95$ - they deduct 5 $ from your ad package purchase.
they do not make a charge themselves.
Has that cleared that one up?
I am sorry to see that someone has not read the small print on the Alert Pay and STP sites. And the Terms and Conditions of ASD.
And am even sorrier to see that people feel that they should not have to cover these charges - whilst people who send out money orders, bank wires and bank tranfers do have to pay the charges - but they pay them to the bank, and the others bear the charge made to the company who deduct it.
I would be very surprised if any legal action of that nature succeeded and think that it will waste a lot of everyones time and money and achieve nothing. It wont turn ASD into a scam.
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 16:23 � Edited by: jgiesbrecht
Anyone know if there is a government website somewhere that lists the Medal of Distinction recipients??? I went to the NRCC website but can't find it there. And I guess the proper name for this is Congressional Medal of Distinction. This is a partisan award and given to those that support the NRCC. I don't know if a Democrat would get this award!
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 17:51
wealthshare: Thanks for your thoughts. Here are some of mine: 1) It is crucial that you use the terms the company is promoting. This is NOT an investment, this is online advertising designed to help you promote your own website business and receive rebates for doing so. 2) The math is interesting. I am wondering if it would be beneficial to take into account not only the constant influx of upgrades but more importantly the external revenue sources that are designed to fund the rebates. I think the key here is by meeting Andy's mission of being the largest internet online advertising company in the world, that we will have corporate sponsors looking to spend billions of dollars on advertising. In this case, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that advertisers are switching from television and print advertising to online. Andy is doing all he can to create a massive group of people paid to watch these ads. As companies sales increase through this venue so will the incoming revenue dollars.
Thanks for the response. I will watch my terminology...sorry, its the banker coming out in me!
Before I go any further I am on the ASD side here and want it to succeed. I hope I was not being referred to as one of the prophets of doom!! That is not my intention. I merely seek a viable answer to my logical, mathematical questions and to date I have had none. You cannot look at the constant influx of rebates because it is based on 50% of external revenue. Rebates are internal money shifting from one piece of paper to another but are not real money over and above the actual external income of the company. So we are limited to the constant sales of more and more new advertisers be they corporate or personal. My estimation of projected necessary income of $50billion a year to satisfy even 0.1% of ad packages is a low one if advertisers are successful and do what can be done.
Again, I am not trying to predict anything or point out anything negative, just facts and figures! If they can create that kind of income I am happy to come along for the ride!
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 17:53
bluedog24: Do you mean this in a bad way, Nicholas? Do you think it is probable that percentages could get this low, so soon?
Put it this way: I think they could go even lower if we all get to $1,000,000 in ad packages but even 0.1% per day back on $1m is nice money for old rope and you won't hear me complaining!! Not meant in a bad way at all. I do not think for a second that this is a scam or else I would not be a part of it!
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 20:55
Nicolas, how long do you predict it will be until percentages start going down?? I don't want to bring anybody into this company, if it goes less than 1 percent on a daily basis.
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nkelly
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 22:06
I am not qualified to answer that question. No one is unless they know actual sales figures apart from rebates. It is growing exponentially and if that continues I imagine it won't take long. But it's still a good way to make money even at less than 1%. I wouldn't worry too much!
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 22:30
IMO ASD is a great opportunity. If they can generate more revenue from outside sources and use revenue from other countries (i.e. sites from Mexico and China). They might get to a sustainable level before the percentages retract. Invest smart with this. Get your initial investment out at a measured pace and wor with house money. My sponsor started with 2K and has over 75K in ad packs starting on May 2nd (he has referred 12 people).
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2008 23:02
Hello All-
Just joined yesterday and made a $500.00 Ad Package purchase today. Deposited through Bank of America without any problems or fees this morning and by this afternoon was credited with $625.00 due to the current 25% bonus promotion. Everything went smooth as silk and I am very excited!
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# Posted: 20 Jun 2008 01:24
This company's Business Model allows it not to go under...by paying only 50% of collected revenue it can not pay more out than it collects...
what that does mean though is that as the Payment Burden climbs exponentially, the percentage payout will decrease over time in order to keep the Rebate Program afloat - this assumes that Revenue does not keep pace (or outpace) the Rebate Program.
I believe though that at this time we are not close to that critical mass point yet...considering the company's exponential growth in membership and Ad Packages purchased, this baby will stay afloat with the current Rebate Program at least for now....
This is the perfect time to be on board and ride the success wave...I would worry more if I was Member # 1,000,001 with tens of thousands of Ad Pack Millionaires already in the system...
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