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Alan
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# Posted: 31 Jan 2006 13:03
I recently got involved with AGEL Enterprises and think that this is going to be the next multi-million dollar company. can Randy Gage, Eric Worre and Randy Schroeder all be wrong? Let me know.
Thanks,
Alan
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benoit
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# Posted: 5 Jul 2006 00:55
Well, me too I sought it will be a great company, but if you want a good advise, do your homework and stay objectif.
Lucky I realise that Agel is not ethical. you can see my Blog to have a more complete story.
Agel can be legal but definilty not ethical and I want to put my money where my heart is.
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wanda
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# Posted: 14 Jul 2006 18:50
Totally agree Benoit,
From my experience in being in Agel since the get go, its not what its all cracked up to be , believe me!
Just like you Alan, we were sucked in also, spent mega hard earned money on product, the hip hop conventions, and sadly to say hardly made any money in 9 months.
Thank GOD we found what we did to dig us out of the hole.
If your still active in Agel we wish you all the success in the world!
We really think your gonna need it to make it big like the Randy's and Eric!
Bob & Wanda
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woodydone
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# Posted: 15 Jul 2006 14:19
wow glad i found this site online looking up agel, not like i can spare $1000 u.s. at the moment on something that is sounding a bit off, also enjoyed benoit in australia blog comments on same topic, wendy
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tmatheis
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2006 10:29
I am looking into Agel and was wondering if you could tell me if you used the internet for any of your prospects, or if you only spoke to your "warm" market, i.e. family and friends?
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bottomfisher
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# Posted: 31 Jul 2006 14:35
I know heavy hitters who left Agel because they said the product did not have that many nutrients. The program appears to have died. They got a lot of up front money from distributors before they launched, like $1200 each, that was a red flag to me, I did not join.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 3 Aug 2006 13:41
Man, it looked like a fast-builder to me. I didn't join though I had some heavy pressure from big recruiters. Sorry to see it went down.
To be honest, I though the little plastic packets were just too weird.
A friend with small children said gel vitamins weren't new at all, just the targeting of an adult market. Whats the real product? Its the opportunity. MLM is a great concept and there are some fabulous companies and products sold. Why do people really do it? 95% want the big money. Thats why there is often so much prelaunch hype.
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i_retired_at_31
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# Posted: 3 Aug 2006 15:23
I almost joined Agel in late 2005 and am SO glad I stopped and thought about it.
It seems there are so many problems with Agel that someone needs to expose.
By the way, I am successful at network marketing (I retired from being an employee at age 31) and am very cautious and wary about all "groundfloor opportunities" as 95% or so of them shut down within a year or two or three.
In forming this opinion about Agel, I have read through several Agel websites many times, seen their videos several times, been to a live presentation, tuned in to several web-casts, spoken with numerous Agel distributors, read their magazine twice and their book called Ageless Nutrition twice. I have spent well over 30 hours looking over Agel very closely.
Agel's pay plan:
Despite the hype, Agel's pay plan is relatively poor when you sit down with pen and paper and analyse what you can make. You can make commissions that are twice as high with other companies than you can with Agel.
A comparison:
For example, you can make 16% with Agel for the fast-start bonus. The customer pays $1230 US for the Executive Pack and you get just $200 US. However, you can make 35% commissions with Usana. The customer pays $700 US (for a Builders Pack) and you get $250 commission. In other words, the Usana customer (or new rep) pays 56% of what they would with Agel yet you get a 25% higher commission with Usana than you would with Agel.
Likewise, you can make up to 20% commissions from your downline volume with Usana compared to just 10% with Agel. Plus Usana bonuses are more generous and far easier to qualify for. You get them based on YOUR results. Whereas with Agel your bonus income depends on OTHERS in your downline being MLM champions too. That really sucks. You can only qualify for Agel's Silver Director (and get access to a small bonus income: "car and expense allowances", a trip to their leadership conference and a bit more from their "matching" bonus) if you have personally sponsored 2 MLM champions that have built a big downline too (inside your downline). We all know that to find 1 MLM champion is a triumph. But you have to sponsor 2 of them yourself (early on so they're high up in your downline) in order to get access to the small Agel bonus income.
By my calculations to earn around $2000 per month from Agel autoships you'd need about 450 people in your downline with Agel. That would be 450 or so people on a 100 point autoship. By way of comparison you could be earning $2000 US per month (just from autoships) with only 150 to 200 people in a Usana downline. Of course, you'd be earning more because of the new startups joining each month.
Agel's 100 point autoship costs $120 US.
Usana's 100 point autoship costs about $110 US.
Proportionately more money is going in to Agel but seemingly less is coming out and going to the average distributor.
Another important MLM advantage for companies like Usana here is that many people are already buying shampoo, conditioner, skincare, sunscreen, soaps, supplements, omega oils, weightloss products, nutrition drinks and fibre protein bars. So for them to do a Usana business they can replace supermarket items with Usana items. So if they already spend, let's say $50 per month on similar items, subtract that from $110 to get $60. Whereas with Agel, they're not replacing anything they're already buying - it's an extra $120 per month going out of their pockets each month.
Agel's products:
As for products, Agel products cost about 10 times more than comparable products. Agel's MIN costs $90 to $110 Australian per month - depending on if you're an Agel rep or a retail customer. Centrum costs only $10 Australian per month.
According to the label, Agel's MIN (apparently) contains similar amounts of nutrients to Centrum. I say "apparently" because as far as I know Agel products are NOT made to the level of pharmaceutical grade ie. Agel does NOT satisfy Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP). I gather that Agel products do NOT satisfy the US or British Pharmocopeia guidelines for potency, uniformity and disintegration. What does this mean? That Agel products are seemingly only food grade quality and as such there's really no guarantee that what Agel says is in the product actually is.
So why pay 9 to 11 times the price to get Agel (and risk a taste you don't like) when for far less you could get Centrum? As you may know Centrum tablets are tiny and easy to swallow. If you can swallow half a raisin you can swallow Centrum. Why are they so small? Because it's a very LOW amount of nutrition. Just enough to help you prevent scurvy and rickets and pellagra.
As for myself, I wouldn't even use Centrum because I want to lower my risk of heart disease, stroke, cancer, osteoporosis, eye problems and so on. To help one do that medical studies show we need 10 to 50 times the daily amounts of nutrients we get in Centrum or Agel's MIN.
Now get this, Usana's "Essentials" multivitamin is cheaper to buy than Agel's MIN, yet it provides more than 4 times the amount of nutrition plus it is pharmaceutical grade and meets the US or British Pharmocopeia guidelines for potency, uniformity and disintegration.
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In summary, which MLM option makes more sense?
Let's say you want to earn a reliable $2000 US per month from your downline's monthly autoship orders. We'll ignore the fast start bonuses you can get when new sign-ups join (having noted above that you receive more income there if you're with Usana)
Option A: Build an Agel downline of around 450 people who each order $120 US a month for a choice of just a few jam-like products of dubious value with apparently no scientific tests to support them;
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Option B: Build a Usana downline of around 200 people who each order $110 US a month for a choice of over 40 pharmaceutical-grade supplements, skincare, bathroom and weightloss products that have extensive scientific backing.
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I agree with others on this post that the end result of Agel will be a lot of angry people who ought to have done what others did: some basic research and analysis before spending $1230 US or more on expensive jam that doesn't even taste any good. As the song goes: "Don't believe the hype!"
I think Agel will leave a huge black eye on the entire MLM industry.
If you'd like to obtain my free e-Book "How to Select a Home Business" see my web-page or drop me a line.
PS - for more on the many problems with Agel - like the nasty chemicals in their products - see http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=12510
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2006 12:40
I think the MLM industry already has two black eyes. What a great, informative post, above.
I don't know is Usana is the best opportunity, but it is certainly stable and respected in the industry.
Prelaunch hype usually doesn't pan out in this industry. If an experienced company is launching a new, life-changing product, thats a good horse to back for quick growth.
One very experienced mlm'er told me that one of the most important things to look at with an mlm is "has the company leadership dealt with crisis effectively in the past?" If they haven't, watch out.
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Dabee4444
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2006 11:38
I can't believe all the energy you guys put into slamming a competitive company. Do you actually believe these false rumors and gossip? Do you think this will get you further with your marketing efforts? Agel is a good, strong, thriving company that does not believe in speaking bad about other network marketing companies--highly ethical, unlike some. Good luck!
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2006 20:47
I really don't see what is unethical about the observations above. If they hurt your recruiting efforts, that unfortunate for you. I don't promote nutrtionals at all, primarily because the hype is so rampant.
Agel is a new company, apparently experiencing fast growth, but we shall see if it rises or falls. If it succeeds, some people will get rich.
Usana, on the other hand, is older and experiencing slow, stable growth. It will take longer to get rich with Usana, but the company will most likely be around in 10 years. Agel has no track record of longevity yet, so people looking for that may wish to look elsewhere.
People are entitled to research opportunities to see what works for them. Agel is not a good opportunity for everybody and neither is Usana. Its a matter of education, choice, and leadership.
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normanmacleod
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# Posted: 11 Aug 2006 05:53
RE AGEL - I read with interest the post from I RETIRED AT 31 and his demolition of everything Agel.
For someone to spend this much time, research and effort to try to cause such terminal damage to ANY company, then you can bet your boots he has a vested interest in doing so. Log onto his website and you'll immediately qualify for his 'autoresponders' - ie junk mail, so somewhere down the line, he'll hit you with his sales pitch.
While you're there, have a look at his hate list where he tries to discredit everybody from Amway to Herbalife right thru the alphabet, A to Z.
If you look into ANY Network Marketing company you'll find negative feedback from all sorts of people, often those for whom the system hasn't worked - they feel bitter and an easy way to let off steam is to post their anger on a site like this. That's normal and I don't blame them.
But for this person to use this site to discredit EVERY network Marketing company EXCEPT the one he's going to pitch is disgraceful.
I too have studied a lot of NWM companies and there's nothing wrong with Herbalife, Amway etc. - but I have chosen Agel. I could have chosen any, but Agel's the one I picked and I took the time and expense to travel from Spain to Sacramento to meet with Eric Worre personally BEFORE I joined Agel.
NO responsible business person EVER makes it by slating the opposition, and worse still, trying to TERRIFY customers from even talking to the opposition.
Sorry to go on for so long, but I truly despise people who use a genuine forum to A) promote their business and B) slag off any other business that they're not promoting. Surely he/she is in breach of the rules of this forum?
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promagi
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# Posted: 28 Aug 2006 17:43
This post refers to the Blog entitled i_retired_at_31.
It's most interesting that the person who wrote that left out more than half the Agel pay plan! The Leveraged Matching Bonus is another 25% bonus on people personally sponsored!
He mentions 10% vs. 20% with Usana. Remember that in a traditional Binary plan, the hottest person you sponsor you will never get paid on. In Agel it is quite different. You get the 25% on what they make for team volume commission and it doesn't matter which leg they are in.
He also neglects to mention the executive bonus (company profit sharing of sorts) Car bonus, Travel Bonus, etc. All of this is where that paltry 10% goes that you do not make in your lesser leg.
Randy Gage is up to 70k+ per month in Agel after 10 months. Show me anyone in Usana doing that kind of volume in that short period of time. I realize that using him is an extreme example but it shows the strength of the comp plan.
I was in S*****e for over 15 years and this comp plan is far and away superior when compared to the stair-step breakaway plan that actually punishes people for developing leaders.
Just thought I would set the record straight on this.
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LafAgel
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2006 21:47
Agel is the best MLM opportunity. The ship has sailed on all of those other guys. This is a completely new concept, with new products on the way. If the "rip and sip" gel is already out, where is it?? That's right, b/c it's patented by Agel, and no one else has it. That is why. That post above left out all of the compensation plan. Go to [Link removed - Admin] and see it for yourself. I have been in Agel for 2 months, and made my initial investment back in a month, and am on my way. It must work, as I have friend who retired from his full time job only after 7 months in Agel. IT DOES WORK!!! I have no idea what that guy above is talking about. For a part time job making that kind of money, it's a no brainer. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!! Do not listen to people who have no idea what they are talking about. Peace!!
Dwayne
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wanda
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2006 07:50
Heres my story and Im sticking to it because its my own personal experience and yes I do know what Im talking about!
We joned Agel back in August/05, worked it hard and heavy for 9 months. At the end of the 9 months we were no further ahead than when we had started. Spent a fortune on trying to make a fortune!
Knowing what I know now that no one should ever have to pay to have a home business because there are opportunities out there that are free to join and even supply your own free website.
I love things that are free and thats why Im doing what Im doing now!
Dont get me wrong here, we learned alot from our experience with Agel and yes there are people making it and my hat goes off to them!
We can all learn from each others experiences here and I would hope that this forum doesnt end up a bashing one!
Bottom line we all breathe the same air, just some of us are breathing fresher!
Cheers to EVERYONE'S Success,
Wanda
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2006 13:58 · Edited by: malibumentor
The hidden problem with promoting free opportunities is that they attract people who are only interested in free stuff. These folks seldom have the committment to building a serious business that people who are invested have.
Any real business takes capital and sweat equity to show a profit. The cost of getting a hot dog cart up and running is probably $10-15k when you look at all the liscenses required and codes that must be adhered to.
These internet marketing businesses offer and amazing opportunity to run a lean, mean home based business with low overhead... But all business has overhead and requires capital to market.
I spent a couple of months promoting a free-to-join bizop, as a test. What did my marketing dollars and sweat attract? Free-to-join junkies, 49 of them. And did one of them recruit anybody? Yes. One person recruited one other person. Pretty lame. I learned my lesson.
I only work with serious people now. Starting a business is actually not a realistic way to solve immediate financial problems... But it is a way to control one's financial future. Thinking should be long-term, especially with regard to profitability. Most MLMs pay out in such a way that you have to build a real, duplicating organization to actually make money with them... Thats ok, if you understand this is the reality of it.
Direct Sales is actually a far more effective way of generating cashflow and anybody building a portfolio of online business ventures would do well to take a serious look at the direct selling industry as a valuable means of generating the cashflow required to stay in residual-income progams long enough to turn a profit.
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promagi
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2006 17:26 · Edited by: promagi
Sorry Agel didn't work out for you Wanda. There is a root cause and I fear it's not Agel.
I would be interested in what you actually did to build your Agel business that cost you so much money? Because the fact of the matter is that all of the training deals with building in ways that cost almost nothing outside of the Choosing Success Magazines".
In all my experience, the reason people fail in MLM is basically due to lack of proper training. I emphasize training right from the "get go". I point them to the team training sites and the team training calls. Also, I make the effort to place people into thier organizations as fast as I can so that they see some measure of success early on. I don't know if your upline was doing that and if not thats ashame.
I have to agree with the above post that free opportunities attract all the wrong people. I was like most people early on thinking that I would sponsor anyone that could fog a mirror but have since learned that what you really should be aiming for is like-minded people who are willing to use the products and help you create a culture in your organization. If you do that there is no way you can lose.
I and my team are currently opening several countries with Agel as we speak and things never looks so good in my decade and a half in the MLM industry. It's all about mindset...put yourself in the proper frame of mind and the sky is the limit.
My sponsor Randy Gage would agree
Wishing you the best of success!
Bob Gallo
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markwall
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# Posted: 24 Sep 2006 17:42
UK - Agel about to enter the european market. I have not joined, still doing my due dilligense but some far eveything look good to me.
It seems MLM and therefore Agel is about selling the plan. Selling the product which seems to be a side issue. If this observation is true then Agel have it by the b@lls. the plan is great.
As far as the product goes ... well it seems know one is really prepared to totally gaurentee thier product will do anything ...including the self appoint guardian USANA.
When you look at those driving the Agel thrust they are mostly ex USANA big hitters. What does this mean, USANA was not woking for them anymore? Why?
I have more questions than answers at the moment. And really where couls one go to get a honest appraisal? Yes it is up to me to decide. If yes, make it work. If no, never look back.
Good site. Good thread. Good work.
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promagi
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# Posted: 26 Sep 2006 21:15
Hi Mark,
I am willing to provide you with all the information you need. You can contact me though the website below.
Wishing you the best of success,
Bob Gallo
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Nel
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2006 06:58
Its unbelievable the negativity that circulates when a new company starts up.
Did anyone know that Amyway's products are used by the fastest man in the world and they have great products that work, yet someone will always have something negative to say. Why is that?
I am not involved in Amway at all, but as a business owner myself, the first rule of thumb is to never be negative towards other mlm companies.
Agel is a fast growing company, and there is a lot of hype because there is something to be hyped up about! Why not, if thats what keeps people keen and motivated, why should anyone from any other business stop that?
If you must know the number 1 Usana leaders in Australia are actually now part of Agel, isn't that surprising?
If you really want more information on a growing business opportunity, you can email me at [email protected]
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promagi
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2006 23:14 · Edited by: promagi
You bet bro!
You said......
"If you must know the number 1 Usana leaders in Australia are actually now part of Agel, isn't that surprising? "
I say......
Not surprising to me since they are on my team
Bob Gallo
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riskybisness
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# Posted: 11 Nov 2006 15:07
Please be careful about getting involved with any company that forces you to take auto shipments of their product, this is how they make the BIG bucks and you are left with a house full of over priced useless product. I just cut my losses with Agel, it's a vicious circle you work your butt off to get a bottom line then a few months down the track they start to drop out. I say good luck to the people who are doing well with Agel but it's just not for everyone and I feel that you do need to be dishonest to succeed in this industry.
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promagi
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# Posted: 13 Nov 2006 11:21 · Edited by: promagi
"Please be careful about getting involved with any company that forces you to take auto shipments of their product,"
The autoship is one of the primary reasons the company is successful and making money!
I have already been through companies that have no requirements to stay active. And do you know what happens to your check when your downline doesn't have to support the company or it's products?....NOTHING! You have a bunch of meaningless stick figures in your tree and you call it a downline because everyone expects "the other person" to generate the volume... guess what?... It doesn't ever happen.
And you are completely wrong about being dishonest. Maybe your teams practices were but this company most certainly is not. I am up front about everything and my team trusts me.
The company requirement is one box a month... wow, a whopping 60 bucks to maintain a global business. You've got to be kidding me? Did you expect your upline to build the business while you refreshed your back office browser waiting for people to pop into your downline?
I have been in Agel since January, have several hundred people in my downline on two continents, and do you know what my attrition rate is?....two people.... yup, that's it. If your downline dropped out... I have news for you... it's not the company.
Go open a retail store and spend 2 grand a month on a lease, or a meager 1000 per month on a mall kiosk then come back and complain about 60 bucks a month.... unreal...
But good luck going back to a job that pays 10 bucks an hour. I'm sure it will be very stimulating.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2006 06:31
The flaw within the MLM industry is with training.
MLM is sold as a solution to financial problems and an industry where people with little or no business experience or history of success can make a boatlad of cash.
The reality is that the people who prosper in any network marketing business invest heavily in professional-level training, almost always going outside the company.
Randy Gage is an Alpha male, as are all the top "leaders" in MLM. This is the secret. People want to follow Alpha leaders because it makes them feel safe.
At the same time these same followers often give up their own real power. MLM is sold as a "follow-the-leader" game because this allows the few who crack the code to "alpha" leadership to always be on top and have armies who follow them everywhere they go.
The product may be practically irrelevant.
WHO really invests in becoming a REAL leader? Think on this...
Because leadership is an illusive quality and it comes from independent thinking. MLM leaders get up and teach leadership, yet few really get it. Its that illusive, ethereal...you can't touch it.
Agel and Eniva have these teams of "Alpha" males right now. These guys have been lured away from "lesser" nutritionals with huge signing bonuses like athletes get... In exchange for recruiting people in the tens of thousands.
The product is practically irrelevant.
Most people make very little money in MLM.
Most people don't think for themeselves.
All this talk of "the secret" etc... is very helphful, yet the masses will continue to live lives of quiet desperation... because they have abdicated their real potential.
Anyhow. Seek knoweldge.
Treat NWM like a real business.
Apply sound biz principles.
Be a maverick.
be a teacher.
Be a Purple Cow.
Leaders are Readers.... GET IT?
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Eliot
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2006 22:15
Love the thread.
For what it's worth, Agel has proven to be a very rewarding business investment for myself. I will be honest, in the first month I was expecting bigger things and was a bit depressed when it didn't roll in. But then my friend and sponsor gave me a kick in the ass and told me it's because I wasn't putting enough work into it. I couldn't have agreed more - I was researching so much about it, and learning everything there is to know about the product, compensation, etc... but not doing the practical stuff. Have to get onto those contacts, make the invite, help them build up as well, keep them motivated. What I love so much about it, is that it is team orientated - we are helping each other as it is in all of our best interests to do so. I've made friends through it, I love the Agel product and it's concept, and I am loving the financial reward.
For those who do not find success, I hope you can stay motivated one way or another. If you honestly feel that you are unable to involve a few people then it's probably not for you (and any NWM or anything in the sales industry isn't for u either). But I think everyone is capable, especially with some help, motivation and ambition. And someone mentioned earlier that you have to be dishonest to succeed, but that is absolute rubbish. I feel bad for people who are so negative, or have the wrong educator as a sponsor or don't know what is involved. They are missing out on a good thing. I have always been honest and truthful to anyone I approach, and I aim to help my downline get wealthy too. No-one likes to feel left out or on their own, and Agel really does encourage the team concept.
Best of luck to all, whatever avenue you persue.
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MeMyselfandI
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 16:08
I have to agree with Alan unless you have a Sponsor who is willing to mentor you and drop somone in under you once in a while it isn't going to happen. If you willing to invest 100 hours per week you can make this happen, but you need support from your upline dropping in someone hear and there and to be honest - in 6 months I didn't have my sponsor put one person under me...but was repeatedly told that they would. It is supposed to be about team, but unless you have someone in your upline you trust - there is no such thing as Team with Agel. I spent money going from event to event hearing the same thing over and over again...I wish you all the best of luck.
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Eliot
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2006 11:32
I'm sorry that your sponsor made you promises that were broken. But I cannot see how that reflects on the entire corporation. Agel does in fact encourage team work, at least the Phil Anderson syndicate I am involved in does. To have someone promise you they would help put people "under" you and not follow through is a poor reflection of your sponsor not the opportunity given. Even so, you are able to go out there, do some hard yards and get to people and get your network of people going. Make some invites, go meet new people etc. And then I hope that people you involve will be fortunate enough to have a motivating and helpful sponsor in you who helps THEM out, as you knew what it was like to feel alone yourself.
And 100hours/week is a bit overstated be efficient with invites, bring people to group meetings rather than do 50 1on1s. You'll find you have plenty of time, as this can be achieved in a good 8hours per week. (on phone during lunch breaks, after work, spare time etc). initial input pays off!
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nofreeride
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# Posted: 15 Dec 2006 23:02
My god! What a bunch of hogwash! Does anyone have a brain in this forum including those who protest to be successful in Agel? The TRUTH is that the MLM grave is filled with failures. I don't care how many Think and Grow Rich books you read! Not everyone who works their ass off in MLM is going to succeed. You know why? Because it is impossible! If everyone joined, eventually there would be noone on the planet left to join, and don't feed me that rubbish that new people are born every year which would continue to supply new recruits, blah, blah, blah! MLM works on exponential growth. Trust me...you would run out of people. Also, some people don't have what it takes in their personality to be successful in MLM. Randy Gage is successful for several reasons. One, he is intelligent. He went to Wharton school of business which means he already had a rich daddy. He is good looking, he has business sense, he had many smart, rich contacts at his disposal. Do you honestly think you would join under a nerd who can barely speak or would you pick Randy as your sponsor? No brainer! You can go to all the training meetings you want and sit at the happy feet of Randy Gage with you pen and paper eagerly ready to write down every word he speaks. Then go home and read your book of the month and keep telling yourself you are a winner. However, if you don't have that jen e se qua, you aint gonna make it! It takes more than a good upline, going to endless meetings, reading books to "change the way you think," desire and hardwork. It takes the right personality, with the right salesmanship and bullshit meter to make it work. Truth be told Randy Gage could succeed in ANY network marketing company. I'm a physician and I have been introduced to Amway, Shaklee, Melaleuca, Mannatech, USANA, Freeway 100, prepaid legal, Quixtar and many others. I worked Quixtar hard for 5 years. I made no money! I went to nearly all their weekly meetings and their every 3 month meetings. I read all the books, talked the walk and walked the talk. I still purchase products from Quixtar. I currently purchase products from Agel. One of my best friends talked me into joining. I told him no 5 times and finally joined to get him off my back. I told him that I like the company and the products, but I was not in the mood to go to stupid meetings, read stupid books and try to talk to stupid people. I hate people who smile and are happy all the time. I hate going to hype meetings where they don't talk business. They only talk about how wonderful life is and how rich they are, and if you eat enough crabapples you too can be as cool as they are. Oh, and by the way, they say doctors suck b/c they have a job, and people who have jobs are losers. Then they all want to praise Jesus! I have tried to make money with real estate, stock investing, MLM and several business ventures. Everyone who tries to talk you into something leaves out one little fact. It is alot harder to succeed than they say it is! When I went to med school, I knew what I had to do to succeed. If you have half a brain and know how to take some tests, you can become a doctor. I worked hard b/c I knew I was guaranteed success if I worked and studied hard and did fairly well on my MCAT. I knew I was smart enough, but I just had to work hard to succeed. My point is that I know I am as smart as Randy Gage. He just had enough money to go to Wharton and I had to go to Idaho State University b/c my dad was a poor dairy farmer. Now, I make $260,000/year. But there is no way I will ever succeed in Agel like Randy Gage. Why? Because network marketing takes more than brains and hardwork. It takes something mysterious that noone can ever teach you. It is like being a painter. Someone may be able to teach you how to paint, but it doesn't mean you will be a Van Gogh. That takes a different type of talent and I just know I don't have that type of talent, and when I finish my 12-14 hour day as a doctor, I don't feel like coming home and telling my wonderful family that I am now going to go out to talk to some kids at a house meeting in the hopes that one day we will be financially independent. Why? Because there is no guarantee and if Randy Gage or any of your sponsors guarantee your success, they are liars! Agel picked Randy Gage not the other way around. He also wrote a book, I'm sure, with their blessing. Did they pick you and help you write a book? Nope. You know why? You don't have the right connections, money, brains, Wharton resume, etc, etc, etc. And anyone who tells you otherwise has been reading too many Think and Grow Rich books and is trying to sell you something!!!!!!!
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2006 01:24 · Edited by: malibumentor
Man, you are pissed at the world brother! Most people would love to have your income. Why in the world do you have a need to compare your highly prosperous life with Randy Gage? Do you need to have a rock-star income to feel successful in life?
Look man, the network marketing industry in a viable way for dileigent people to become financially free. Only a few get to be rock stars. Thats okay. The rock-star income is not what most folks are looking for.
BTW: Quixtar is not a company that many people succeed with... so I am not surprised your own experiences were bad. There are a lot of really fabulous nutritional products sold through MLM, but Quixtar is not even on the map with regard to innovation in product development.
Network Marketing is changing. I go to no meetings, make few outbound calls, work 4-6 hours per day... and I'm doing good. Its because I recognize that its a marketing business, not a business of recruiting the hapless.
90-95% of all business startups close their doors within the first five years. Every business model has pitfalls and cash-traps.
Business owners who educate themselves and who realize that being in business to be successful means FOCUSING ON MARKETING AND SALES - these people will be successful.
Tons of dumb people get involved in MLM and do little to educate themselves to earn professional-level compensation.
Here's the secret: Professional-level compensation in any business is a result of professional-level skill.
Unskilled people fail in MLM. They fail in J.O.B.s and in most startup business.
I have made my money in Direct Sales, not MLM. In general Network marketing is a viable business model for hard-working, skill-oriented people to succees in.
The notion that MLM or network marketing is a scam is incorrect. There are some companies that aren't a wise choice for some people, but the business model works for those with the drive to learn how the industry actually works.
How the industry actually works is another secret. My own success in the industry is a result of continuous training and personal devlopment work and also of comprehending the TRUE Nature of Network Marketing. The industry is not what it appears to be. Those who grasp what it really is can have massive success.
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nofreeride
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# Posted: 17 Dec 2006 04:07
Don't get me wrong. I am happy with my income. I just wish I could make the same amount of money working 25 hours/week. Furthermore, I'm not angry with network marketing anymore than I am angry with losing 15,000-20,000 dollars in real estate. Is what I am angry with is the Carleton Sheets individuals of any business venture. Whether it be network marketing, real estate, stock market or what have you. I can't begin to tell you how much money I have spent learning the fact that there is no such thing as a free ride or a quick buck unless you are stealing something! But the Carleton Sheets, the Randy Gages, the Bill Britts, the Robert Kiosakis of this world would love you to buy their books on the "how tos of becoming rich"...and oh, by the way, "if I can do it, anyone can." They make money now educating not working. They couldn't begin to do in this economy what they did during their era. Robery Kiosaki could no more make money in this real estate market as I could. He made money in Arizona when no one knew their was money to be made. Just like the poor suckers who buy stock after hearing about the good deal on MSNBC. Sorry, those who made money on that stock or are just about to make money, bought it 10-20 years ago before it went public. And there rich venture capitalist buddy told them about it. Your not in the loop big guy. Make sure you stop and buy your latte on the way to work. Now, Kiosake tells others how to make money in real estate or whatever venture but it's AFTER THE FACT!! They make it seem like if you only follow a few simple steps and rules you too will have your name up in lights like Donald Trump. Let me tell you something. Donald Trump had a leg up in life. It's called a rich daddy! He kills me with his arrogance.
You make some excellent points about marketing and good business sense. I wish I had talked to you before wasting my time with Quixtar. You seem to have a level head, but yes, I am very, very skeptical and cynical b/c hard work doesn't always cut it. I get tired of the promagis who say Agel is great. Look!... so and so did this and talked to a few people and now look...they are making 30,000 dollars per month. Yea, right! In their dreams! The person who is making $30,000/month was already financially independent who now has all day to fly to every state and country, and the money to do so, and poor suckers who see him driving his lamborghini jump into his business b/c they think he made all that dough yesterday in Agel. When in reality, he made it 20 years ago doing something else.
I just really think that most network marketers are fluff and half truth tellers. I'm a "give it to me straight" kind of guy. They also think that if you duplicate the actions of your successful upline that you too will be successful. Not true! I could follow Warren Buffet around for 5 years and learn all of his techniques, but I still would not be able to do what he does b/c it takes more than just mindlessly following a rule of thumb or a technique. It takes something that only Warren Buffet can do.
Also, I would love to have "the rock star income." Instead of grossing $260,000 per year, I would love to gross $260 mil per year. But as I have gotten older (I am now 41) I have observed that what you know seems to mean less than who you know or who you were born as even in the good ol' America. For example, there is a real estate development just down the road from me that is being made for executive estates. The real estate developer inherited the business from his daddy. The people doing the construction are personal friends of the developer, and the area is restricted to only a couple of realtors. These realtors are (you guessed it) personal friends of the developer. I'm sure the land developer is also personal friends with the bank president. Doesn't matter if those realtors are the best in town. They get the job b/c they know the man with the money. Look at today's celebrities. Most of their parents were celebrities. Look at the fortune 500. Most of them came from money. America is turning into a land of dynasties. And then those same people have the nerve to say anyone can do what they do if they just work hard enough.
Bull s---!!!
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