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alexa
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# Posted: 7 Oct 2008 21:56
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opendomain: I will both agree and disagree with this.
Fair enough. It does rather seem, though, that you've agreed with about 95% of what I said and disagreed with only about 5%, which is very nice of you! 
I think the only area where we actually disagree is that you think GDI is a "successful business model" and I don't. (I do see that it was for a small number of people who were in a few years ago when it started, and yes, a tiny proportion of that tiny proportion even got some residual income out of it, but that's not uncommon in MLM!). The proportion of people who succeed with it now is absolutely tiny - to be honest, I don't really believe there are any at all. You guys are in the tiny, tiny minority still promoting the thing, and you're obviously not finding it easy at all, and even you are not claiming to earn anything worth having out of it. Something is wrong here, surely?! 
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2008 11:54 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
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alexa: How much profit per month are you making after 8 months in the business, TJam, and does that make it well-paid work for what you've actually done? (I'm not seriously suggesting that you should answer this in public, of course, it's only a rhetorical question to try to make the point that like 99% of GDI distributors you'd actually probably have earned more per hour working for the minimum wage in McDonalds, I suspect, if you're honest with yourself about it!!)
If you check my postings, you'll see I have done little to nothing to promote GDI, and some other plans I support as well.
I am actually still quite the newbie, learning how to promote as I go along.
But GDI has worked out faaar better than ANY minimum wage position - where you have to show up when THEY tell you, wear what THEY tell you, take a break when THEY tell you to, come in on your off days when THEY think you should, and go home too too tired, and too too late to get a decent amount of sleep, to say NOTHING about rest and relaxation, only to have to begin breaking rocks on the chain gang once again, too too early the very next day!
This is without even taking into account the cost of transportation nowadays!
And of course, when THEY want to, you are fired!
OUT of a job, with absolutely no redress - unless there's a McDonalds/Minimum Wage Worker's Union I'm not aware of.
$1 earned at HOME, on your own terms, is far FAR more valuable than a dollar earned working for someone else.
Compare like with like is what I would say, once again, to your questions.
That said, I have been doing little to promote GDI, other than to include SWMS in my sig. link, both here and in a few other forums.
'Guaranteed Traffic/Hits' has also worked well for my SWMS promotional effort, which automatically promotes my GDI link.
Those 'efforts' have paid off quite well, especially on a 'work/time in v. money out' analysis, I would say.
In public, or private.
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opendomain
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2008 12:40
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alexa: The proportion of people who succeed with it now is absolutely tiny - to be honest, I don't really believe there are any at all. You guys are in the tiny, tiny minority still promoting the thing, and you're obviously not finding it easy at all, and even you are not claiming to earn anything worth having out of it. Something is wrong here, surely?
1st How do you know who is succeeding and who is not? And what are you basing these percentages off of? I've never been polled?
2nd I clearly said initially I would have made more money working at Wal-mart, but now, NO I make more money from GDI than if I had a full time Wal-Mart job. I liken the initial slump to the same slump ALL start up businesses experience. This is usually cause by lack of customers and lack of a pipeline. NOW, however; I find myself not lacking either at this point.
I will point out that beyond a hard headed rush in the beginning I really haven't promoted GDI like many people might think. I write an article here or there and pass out a card every now and again, I've even spent a little on purchasing advertising(less than $50), but nothing like you would expect. All I've done is invested in time. Time here and in other forums helping people with GDI and helping people with other questions they might have. I created a guide that pretty much sells itself and GDI for me. My site could hardly be called a GDI marketing page as I promote more of my team mentality than anything.
What I don't understand is that based on your two websites you're using the cash leveraging system, which per its own advertisement has:
NO SELLING
NO CUSTOMERS
NO PRODUCTS
Unless there is some magic behind what you're doing I'm just not getting it. How can you try and down play GDI for not having a "product" when your own advertisements literally say "NO PROUDCTS" to quote something I read just recently, "something is wrong here , surely?!"
I stand by my choice to work with GDI and to help other experience the same success.
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Barry Riddell
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 06:49
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I am also a GDI member and am interested in sharing any ideas that can help buid a solid downline. I belive one of the key ingredients to GDI is a quality capture page that is SEO ( search engine optimized) The system that you are using do you compose the emails that are sent out.
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Barry Riddell
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 06:56
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You have hit the nail on the head as they say. It is crucial to have an upline who is more interested in helping you than helping themselves which ironically they are doing by helping you. I try and learn as much as I can about what works and what doen't and then share it with my downline.
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Barry Riddell
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 06:59
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Congrats on your success with GDI. Can you please explain to me what the program is that you refer to as 3in7
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alexa
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 09:03
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opendomain: 1st How do you know who is succeeding and who is not?
By reading the forums at WAHM.com, mlm.com and thenetworkmarketingforum.com, where you can see all the people who decide to join it expressing their regrets as they gradually realise, a month or two or three later, that they can never have a single genuine retail customer because they're selling a product that's available elsewhere at better prices. (Which I note you don't deny!).
opendomain: I liken the initial slump to the same slump ALL start up businesses experience. This is usually cause by lack of customers and lack of a pipeline. NOW, however; I find myself not lacking either at this point.
Well done. I hope it stays bright and sunny for you. I think we both know that you're in a very tiny minority.
opendomain: How can you try and down play GDI for not having a "product" when your own advertisements literally say "NO PROUDCTS"
Very easily. GDI is a business opportunity (or is claiming to be, anyway). My program is not. Not only is it not a business opportunity, but it isn't a business at all, and it says so very clearly and very openly! So you're not exactly comparing like with like, my friend! 
opendomain: Unless there is some magic behind what you're doing I'm just not getting it.
Yes, I think we all see that you're not getting it. 
I think that the parts you're not getting may have to do with the fact that (a) you're comparing something that's a business and something that isn't, and (b) the cost: what you're discussing involves a regular monthly outgoing and at a higher price than the same product can bought for elsewhere. What I'm discussing is just a one-off $25, and of course that attracts huge numbers of people, and once they cover their initial $25, they're all in profit, so you see many of them enthusing about it and nobody scrambling to cover their own costs. And of course that duplicates, hence my income.
opendomain: I stand by my choice to work with GDI
And so you should. Just as I'm sure you respect my right to stand with what I'm promoting, too.
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opendomain
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 11:39
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Ok.
Best of luck.
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alexa
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# Posted: 14 Oct 2008 12:35
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Thanks - and to you also!
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Aaronbiz
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2008 06:45
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Hey Alexa,
I just had to make a comment....
A quick check of the GDI forum shows a mix of people from Newbie's to seasoned Veterans.
Participation in the GDI forum is high, and people are having success from the "recent" postings I have read.
I see GDI as a great place to make mistakes and learn from these. If you make all the mistakes under the sun that is ok your risk is low $10.
Do a ok job and you will get a few to join. Do a great job and many will join you and follow you with your future bigger ventures.
If I'm a Newbie I'd rather lose $10 than $10,000.
Have a great weekend !
Aaron Riddell
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 19 Oct 2008 14:11
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alexa: By reading the forums at WAHM.com, mlm.com and thenetworkmarketingforum.com, where you can see all the people who decide to join it expressing their regrets as they gradually realise, a month or two or three later, that they can never have a single genuine retail customer because they're selling a product that's available elsewhere at better prices. (Which I note you don't deny!).
I wouldn't take too much stock in such postings Alexa.
I too made the same type of posts.
You can check the GDI thread in this forum and you will see.
I was having the same troubles, right at the 'month or two or three later' point, until I learned a little about how to promote GDI.
AND, I was about to cancel my GDI membership - which I so posted.
GDI has more than paid off for me, just by the passive promotion of my SPIDER WEB MARKETING SYSTEM link alone.
I am only just now learning, from sites like Gil's open domain . ws, and HITS2U, how to actually become a decent network marketer.
GDI is an excellent idea that will convert well.
But as with any venture - from lemonade stands to Lear Jet sales, you have to learn effective ways to promote your biz!
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extra123
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# Posted: 3 Nov 2008 02:15
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I have signed up gdi for about 4 months, and only recruit 10 downline, promoting GDI is harder than expected. I have to learn effective ways to promote my gdi. I have paid attention to this website, I will also recommend my friends.
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# Posted: 3 Nov 2008 11:45
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Aaronbiz: I see GDI as a great place to make mistakes and learn from these. If you make all the mistakes under the sun that is ok your risk is low $10.
Aaron, that's probably a safe way to look at it. GDI was the first thing I joined a few years back and eventually gave up on it because I never recruited enough people to make it worth while.
After my first sale of an affiliate product I gave up on GDI.
From my experience I noticed that too many members drop out GDI and other similar opportunities after a few months and replacing them gets harder and harder.
Best wishes,
Michael
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2008 07:33
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piggybanker: From my experience I noticed that too many members drop out GDI and other similar opportunities after a few months and replacing them gets harder and harder.
Spider Web Marketing System is a good fix 4 that...
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2008 09:07
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TJamMoneyMan: Spider Web Marketing System is a good fix 4 that...
Sorry, TJamMoneyMan, but I'm not looking for a fix.
I've seen too many systems that claimed to be the
cure all for GDI like Turbo GDI, Downline Partners,
DNE3, and others.
Those systems worked great for the creators and a
few others then you would see manual traffic
exchanges overloaded with folks playing the I'll show
you mine if you show me yours game.
Good luck,
Michael
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Aaronbiz
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2008 09:34
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piggybanker: I've seen too many systems that claimed to be the cure all for GDI like Turbo GDI, Downline Partners, DNE3, and others.
Hi Piggybanker,
The problem may be, people are not thinking outside the box? There's alot of the "same" out there. Eveyone's selling the same message.
Using your GDI website builder to make a "personally branded" website may be something worth thinking about.
Aaron Riddell
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2008 16:09
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Aaronbiz: The problem may be, people are not thinking outside the box?
According to Ed:
Thinking outside the box requires different attributes that include:
* Willingness to take new perspectives to day-to-day work.
* Openness to do different things and to do things differently.
* Focusing on the value of finding new ideas and acting on them.
* Striving to create value in new ways.
* Listening to others.
* Supporting and respecting others when they come up with new ideas.
Out-of-the box thinking requires an openness to new ways of seeing the world and a willingness to explore. Out-of-the box thinkers know that new ideas need nurturing and support. They also know that having an idea is good but acting on it is more important. Results are what count.
http://www.canadaone.com/ezine/april02/out_of_the_box_thinking.html
In Ed's opinion it's results that count.
To convince me you have to show me the results.
Best wishes,
Michael
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opendomain
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2008 19:39
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Results are what count in the end but as you've already said they are nothing without a good idea. You can never expect to get results from thinking outside of the box if you never think outside the box.
If you want to retain GDI members then i would promote transfering signups and having your downline do the same. I think i send down 2 out of three new sign ups to my immediate downline. If you think about it once a person hits $10 GDI is auto pilot from there.
I have a girl in my downline who flat out told me, I haven't done anything with GDI and had it coming out of my bank ever month and then one month I go to cancel and realize you'd fed me and my downline was huge. ...she didnt' cancel.
She actually took a new interest in things and has started to take an interest in marketing online again.
Not everyone is goign to stay in GDI. Hell i've tossed the idea of just letting it go, but why? Some weeks the only thing i'll do for advertising is post here...and really it's not advertising I just like posting here.
Piggybank were you waiting for someone else to think outside the box for you? I think the point of Aaron's post was to say YOU(or the individual) needed to think outside the box and get those results for yourself(themselves).
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 7 Nov 2008 20:08 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
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piggybanker: TJamMoneyMan: Spider Web Marketing System is a good fix 4 that... Sorry, TJamMoneyMan, but I'm not looking for a fix.
Well it worked just fine for me!
It got my GDI profitable, and I did little to NOTHING to promote it.
Just posting my SWMS link here, and other places I am a member of.
I plan to use the ideas opendomain and Aaronbiz are promoting as well - when I get time from my other money making biz opps...
Thinking OUSTSIDE the box, for yourself, indeed seems like the best 'fix' of all!
piggybanker: To convince me you have to show me the results.
'results' come waaay AFTER the creative thinking has been done.
But by then, that original creative thinking is no longer anything new.
And thinking outside the box, has indeed produced great 'results' time and time again. If you haven't seen the results of thinking outside the box, there's something seriously wrong with your vision.
You have to have vision that can see beyond the present. today's 'results'.
The unseen potential of an idea.
People who 'think outside the box' MUST do this...
good luck 2u piggybanker!
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moneycash777
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2008 17:22
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I am very satisfied with GDI. At first I just wanted to have a website and the hosting......I refer my 5 people..... I'm not doing the business anymore but I am receiving 237$/month actually......it pays my 10$/month alot of times....and I am saving my money to have family trip every year.
I am not touching my buget. its cool.
take care
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piggybanker
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# Posted: 13 Nov 2008 10:39
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TJam?
I saw this on Scam.com:
Jambaman: The Spider Web Marketing System is a good idea that leaves MUCH to be desired. There is NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the way of support. Not from the site admin - whoever that may be, not from MY upline, and not from THE SPIDER WEB MARKETING SUCCESS TEAM. The Spiderweb forum is also useless and !00% INACTIVE. They really need to get their act together!
Same picture as you - slightly different handle - but I assume it is you. Correct?
Obviously something changed your mind about The Spiderweb Marketing System. Can I ask what that was?
I saw similar potential in other systems like PayItForward4Profits a while back. I just looked at it again and it looks like they removed some stuff and added some stuff and it looks like the forum dried up at the end of January this year. My guess is it's another dead one.
Residual income is the key in most businesses and that's what they offered as well. Magazines charge a monthly subscription, health clubs offer renewable memberships, and even Blockbuster Video discovered they could attain some residual income by offering different membership packages.
opendomain: Piggybank were you waiting for someone else to think outside the box for you?
No. I learned to create my own splash pages using the sitebuilder on GDI then I learned how to create better pages using NVU. I used those pages and an autoresponder to build a list and made my first affiliate sales. I also trained myself to manipulate the code on blogger and began creating blogs until I lost my adsense account.
I always think outside the box, but I haven't had much time to devote to doing the things online that I enjoy.
I'm also not afraid of new challenges so I signed up for the free Spiderweb Marketing system and I've begun to set it up. I even created a new GDI account, but I'll be honest, if I would have known the automatic blog deal didn't work with Wordpress I might not have.
A couple of the memberships I'm not sure of, but I was very surprised to see that the right leg of my Direct Matches had 869 signups below me and many of them are executives and managers. Can I still earn from then if I upgrade and enroll a new person on each leg? If so, it would seem to be worth it.
I signed up as a free member way back when and never used it. It reminded me of manual traffic exchanges minus the privacy. It went from the I'll show you mine if you show me yours to I'll show you mine and a picture of my ugly mug if you show me yours and your ugly mugshot and let's all pretend to be really good friends.
Which programs are you having the best success with?
GL all,
Michael
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 13 Nov 2008 13:14 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
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piggybanker: Obviously something changed your mind about The Spiderweb Marketing System. Can I ask what that was?
Nothing changed.
I think I mentioned in this thread too, how terrible the support was!
IS!!
They have a forum that is inactive, just like I said.
I'll admit though I was purty pissed at the time.
I had just gotten notice I had missed some commissions, for about the 4th time!!
I KNEW I had set up my downline so I was not too cool with that.
I really shouldn't have missed even ONE commission, but I think I indeed was the one to blame for that.
(But, I had gotten ONE notice of missed commissions and IMMEDIATELY made sure my setup was right. And STILL I was getting notices! About 3 more times!!!)
I was asking my upline, but not getting any replies!
Turns out it was a glitch, and I only missed the ONE commission!!
But that IS a SWMS issue - support and the forum!
If you have a responsive upline you are set a little better.
But the forum, last time I checked, is D.O.A.!!
Now perhaps my upline ALSO saw that post!
They are REAL responsive now!!
My downline members haven't been too responsive either.
And communication is what makes this kind of system work.
That needs improvement within SWMS, no doubt about it.
At least as far as concerning my group!
Another issue with SWMS is that a lot of the income streams are still in beta (again, last time I checked).
That's why I advise folx to only concern themselves with GDI for now.
Unless they wanna REALLY market SWMS, and have the skills to do so...
piggybanker: I was very surprised to see that the right leg of my Direct Matches had 869 signups below me and many of them are executives and managers. Can I still earn from then if I upgrade and enroll a new person on each leg? If so, it would seem to be worth it. I signed up as a free member way back when and never used it. It reminded me of manual traffic exchanges minus the privacy. It went from the I'll show you mine if you show me yours to I'll show you mine and a picture of my ugly mug if you show me yours and your ugly mugshot and let's all pretend to be really good friends.
Yes, such is the case with social networks.
That's one more reason I am mostly concerned with the GDI income stream, though I marvel at the potential of SELF-BANK.
You can probably make money with these social networks but again, you gotta have the drive, and tha SKILLZ!!!
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# Posted: 13 Nov 2008 18:57
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piggybanker: Which programs are you having the best success with?
Truth be told I haven't had to touch my GDI account in some time. I'm making a pretty decent income, enough to keep me funding some other projects.
Right now I have a side project that shot through the roof after fixing some issues (link cloaking) I got it fixed on Tuesday night and if the track continues I'm looking to be a happy camper at the end of this week. Actually I'm a happy camper now. It is affiliate marketing and it is all done through associated content, articles, press releases and I think 1 forum.
Total I've written 17 articles over the pat 3 weeks...not much in my opinion, like an article a day and I"ve updated my blog regularly.
No guide or tricks or gimmicks just providing info and then an affiliate link. Nothing more nothing less, and well at the end of this week I'll make more for just the 6 days than I will make with 3 months of GDI...if not more.
Spiderweb marketing, the more I look at it and see that nothing is really moving with it the more I'm back in the boat of saying, "use it if you want to see what a good backoffice looks like and check out some ideas for marketing and actually to learn some outside the box type marketing methods." But as for making money in SWMS I would say you're better off joining and taking a look and then adapting your GDI marketing plan and web pages around the same core ideas.
Which in actuality are the basics.
Capture lead
Build list
Provide info to list with selling links.
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 13 Nov 2008 19:15 · Edited by: TJamMoneyMan
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opendomain: Right now I have a side project that shot through the roof after fixing some issues (link cloaking) I got it fixed on Tuesday night and if the track continues I'm looking to be a happy camper at the end of this week. Actually I'm a happy camper now. It is affiliate marketing and it is all done through associated content, articles, press releases and I think 1 forum.
Yes, affiliate marketing is definitely the way to go!
I am busy with an aff marketing idea myself, as well as network marketing.
TWO ways of getting paid, one NOW - network marketing, and one that takes about 30 days to receive your cash, but earns you money NOW also.
And the cost in both cases is under $20 TOTAL, with no promotional efforts required.
NO PROMOTING - to make that perfectly clear.
And it works quite well too!
Please PM me about what u r involved in Gil, I'd luv to know more about it.
Or, start a THREAD why don't u???
good luck...
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# Posted: 13 Nov 2008 19:31
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Well i'd really hate to shoot myself in the foot with exactly what i'm doing...if you catch my drift. The market for it is a strong and competative market but I was able to catch onto a few things. I'm selling guides for the most part. using what I know of article marketing and promotion. beyond that there really is no big secret behind it TJ, just happend to get lucky i guess.
The true test will be in teh longevity of this money. I'm ok with the quick burst either way, but I would like to see some longevity to it.
I've done everythign through blogs, squidoo and article marketing...nothing but invested time.
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onlineguy
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2008 14:26
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Hi there everyone.
I hope I don't sound silly but i joined website.ws and was so confused because i went to the affiliate section where they ask for an access code, what access code? i hope i don't come across to be thick here, lol.
Can anyone help?
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opendomain
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2008 13:06
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You can put in garmenta >
JK this is my reference/affiliate link. Basically whoever refered you to the .ws site should have given it to you. If you didn't get one then by all means use mine lol
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kenwolfe22
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# Posted: 22 Nov 2008 16:43
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I am familiar with GDI, I have been in the system for two months. I almost gave up out of frustration, but I am glad I stuck with it, because I now have eight people under me and my wife has 7 under her. It takes patience, because it is not a get rich quick system. But then again is anything ?
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2500PerDaycom
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# Posted: 22 Nov 2008 17:01
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Is GDI the company that owns the .ws domain name?
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2008 17:17
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2500PerDaycom: Is GDI the company that owns the .ws domain name?
Affirmative.
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