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SirThomas
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 01:36 · Edited by: SirThomas
Quoting: bizmentor I do think that the $50 fee will drive some otherwise serious people away that might otherwise be great team members.
That is very possible. It will also eliminate 100's that don't qualify for
my time. I am a busy entrepreneur and I'd rather spend quality time
with people who are already on my team or are seriously considering joining me.
On the positive side, every lead who goes through the first step
(fills out the form) STAYS in your database and you can contact
them if you wish. You can also WAIVE the $50 and invite them to
see what you've got.
Remember, this is YOUR business. You're in control, nobody can
tell you what to do... like some might be suggesting.
Quoting: bizmentor I will take personal contact with someone on the phone 10,000 times over someone that happens to opt in and spend the bucks on a site based on many, many promises that unfornately are promised but do not materialize within the RFS. That is just me.
You mean you'd rather talk on the phone to one lead who filled out
the form on the site promising to build his downline than to.... have
10,000 people paying $50 to learn what you have?
I'm just kidding here, Chad. I'm sure that's not you were implying 
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bizmentor
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 01:45 · Edited by: bizmentor
goodness, Sir Thomas,
surely you do not suggest what you say... I certainly do not talk to 10,000 others to find one or ten or twenty that are serious!
What I was saying is I will take a serious inquiry that knows the facts about the product 10,000 to one over someone who is attracted to the RFS who does not represent themselves honestly and truly deliver all they promise.
Honesty can make life successful, dishonesty makes life totally difficult at best.
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Jill Ellen
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 02:04
Hello to all.
Thanks Chad that for that wonderful introduction!! You guys have to keep in mind that Chad really loves what we have to offer people and really believes in what we are creating here. His intent is to share that with like-minded business people. There is no harm in offering them an alternative to RFS. Some people like dark chocolate and others like milk chocolate....it is still chocolate and it still tastes good!! What may be bitter to some may be sweet to others. Diversity is what makes the world go round and the bottom line here is that we are all offering something brilliant.
People relate to different people and like working with different people. When someone does their due diligence they will find their place in GRN. It is imperative to love what you do and love the people you are doing it with.
I am a very successful work at home mom with a beautiful 7 month old baby and a darling husband. Chad and I recently met in Toronto and I must say that I was very impressed by all that he has brought to the table. I respect him greatly for he speaks the truth. I have absolutely nothing against anyone apart of RFS but I can definately see what he is saying here. I paid that $50 to opt in and learn about the wonderful membership we have to offer people, not just the business opportunity. As a matter of fact I almost joined RFS. I did my research because it just felt off to me to have to pay that fee. I can qualify someone quicker over the phone and decide whether or not I choose to work with them. I want to hear them and know them. That's an application process to me...to feel them out and see where their head is at. I have nothing against it, I just prefer to handle business in a different way. Lastely, I love the idea of presenting just the membership to people. Travel is a 7 billion dollar industry, it would be silly to leave that out.
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RealityBytes
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 05:18
Quoting: bizmentor apologize if some of the facts I (and others) present make others nervous, but the facts are that RFS does not work for many like some say it does. I have not "touted my system" like some would like to turn this thread into rather than a "pro RFS thread" like some would like this to be. We are simply presenting the facts.
Thanks, and a mea culpa from me... when I posted my last comment, I thought I had caught up with all the posts since I had last read this thread... in fact I had missed the last 3 or 4, in which you and Kim both gave plenty of details - not quite so much as to the methods, but what the real difference is, and that has been helpful. I need to review them all, as well as review the pages linked from everyone's signatures.
Not that I am the final arbiter of the facts here or anything like that, but I do feel I'm getting a more solid feel for them.
Am I a tirekicker? You bet I am! I'm also a pilot, and I wouldn't dream of lighting the fires before kicking the tires!
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SirThomas
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 07:28
Quoting: bizmentor goodness, Sir Thomas, surely you do not suggest what you say... I certainly do not talk to 10,000 others to find one or ten or twenty that are serious! What I was saying is I will take a serious inquiry that knows the facts about the product 10,000 to one over someone who is attracted to the RFS who does not represent themselves honestly and truly deliver all they promise. Honesty can make life successful, dishonesty makes life totally difficult at best. __________________ Chad
Chad,
I was just joking...
But we both know it's not about any $50 (fully refundable), but the
purpose itself...
As I said before, anybody is free to use any qualifying system they
want... You can ask people to fill out some basic form and then call
them back if you wish...
As a matter of fact, you don't need to use any qualifying system.
Just call purchased leads and invite them to a presentation. Many
people do this very successfully...
You can generate 200 leads, then call them all back to find few
good people. You can also generate 200 leads and let them qualify
themself to end up with 3 good people...
Either scenario will work. Both will bring some people on board.
Both will also miss some people... These ARE the facts.
Success to you all
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SirThomas
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 08:14
Jill, welcome to the board.
Quoting: Jill Ellen I can qualify someone quicker over the phone and decide whether or not I choose to work with them. I want to hear them and know them. That's an application process to me...to feel them out and see where their head is at. I have nothing against it, I just prefer to handle business in a different way.
That is exactly what I was talking about. YOU made YOUR choice.
That IS the way YOU want to work. RFS offers a different option.
Not everyone will like RFS and not everyone will like other options...
I still don't like everything about RFS! LOL ...But it does what it is
supposed to do.
Quoting: Jill Ellen Lastely, I love the idea of presenting just the membership to people.
presentation... maybe in the future?
Quoting: Jill Ellen There is no harm in offering them an alternative to RFS.
Generally, I would agree with this comment. However, this is not
the right place to do so. This thread is about RFS, not alternatives.
There is no excuses for not respecting it.
If you don't believe me, ask TerryG... 
He will tell you what my position is on hijacking the thread for
"personal gain". I already expressed myself pretty clearly on WAHM
board. And that was regarding other RFS members, just so you know
Anybody can always start another thread about RFS alternatives
or about GRN systems available. I think that's could be a great thread.
BTW. I have no problems with how you build your organization. It
was my original intention to do the same, starting in April. Right
after I suggested it, the idea was challenged as a form of "financial
incentive" to join... That was not allowed by the company at that time.
Also, company mentioned introducing "matching bonuses" on all
personal sign ups... Things got sketchy.
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kim_ward
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 09:52
Quoting: bizmentor What I was saying is I will take a serious inquiry that knows the facts about the product 10,000 to one over someone who is attracted to the RFS who does not represent themselves honestly and truly deliver all they promise. Honesty can make life successful, dishonesty makes life totally difficult at best.
Chad, could you please stop now. These kind of posts make
GRN and all rep's look bad. It's just not good business,
and we have good things to offer. You may not like RFS,
and that's ok, but to paint the picture of the people using
it like you did is wrong.
Kim
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kim_ward
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 10:02
Quoting: RealityBytes Thanks, and a mea culpa from me... when I posted my last comment, I thought I had caught up with all the posts since I had last read this thread... in fact I had missed the last 3 or 4, in which you and Kim both gave plenty of details - not quite so much as to the methods, but what the real difference is, and that has been helpful. I need to review them all, as well as review the pages linked from everyone's signatures. Not that I am the final arbiter of the facts here or anything like that, but I do feel I'm getting a more solid feel for them.
Hi RB, Thomas filled in some god info on RFS as well, and
as you can see it's just a system used in GRN. There are
some things Thomas and I like and do not like about it,
but as he said, it does what it suppose to do, and I think
many people would love a system like this online.
I have been wanting to create a system like this over the
years myself, and think many of the aspects of it are simply
genius.
Some people may complain of the costs, and I honestly did
not see why anyone would pay for it either, but then I thought,
if we were to open our team info and system to all, we'd charge
what we thought it was worth too, as I am sure anyone would.
In fact we have many people contact us asking to use team
stuff, (or they just take things from our sites without asking)
so I know people would pay to use it, and RFS is not any
different, and we are lucky we can pay to use it instead of
not being able to use it at all.
If you have any blanks that need to be filled in about RFS,
to decide if it is for you or not, feel free to ask away.
In the meantime, have a great Sunday!
Kim
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moneyinmypocket
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 10:22
Hi Kim,
To be honest, your associating the RFS with GRN and all its reps in general is what risks painting a bad picture of GRN.
I've had a ton of people who told me that after seeing the RFS front page, they decided it looked way too scammy. They automatically associated seeing this shirtless dude with GRN, which is absolutely false.
The GRN is NOT the RFS. If we don't agree with what the RFS is doing, it is only that, and that makes no suggestion that the people who USE the RFS are bad or dishonest people or that GRN is related to the "untruths" presented in the RFS.
We all love GRN and know that it's a fantastic - real - very profitable business. Chad - or any of us are not implying anything that you are suggesting. I hope you can see past this.
ps. Great to see you Jill,Phill & Gang!
All the best,
Terry
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bizmentor
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 19:09
Welcome to the forum, Thor.
With the philosophy you have you will do very well in this business.
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RealityBytes
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 21:08
Quoting: bizmentor My son tried a certain targeted traffic source and drove over 10,000 hits to his RFS site. Out of those hits- he had a total of 15 actually go to his second page, not a single opt in to the $ 50 level and not a single sale. I have had just under 3000 of the exact same source hits go to my site, have 178 to date that opted in to my second page
Chad, I owe you an even bigger apology than the one already made... you gave me *exactly* what I was looking for, but I didn't see it as I skimmed over the posts - I wish this forum software was more like the newsgroups where I could see exactly which posts I have not read yet! (I'll have to see if there is an option for that...)
As an engineer and troubleshooter, I preach that to really get to the cause of a problem, you try to control for as many variables as possible and then change *just one* of them, and check your results... sounds like that's exactly what you did. I don't know that it's the $50 advance fee or something else in the sales letters that made the difference (I suspect the latter, actually - I'd have no problem with the $50 if the info is good), but it's a good start and important info obviously! My next question, which I don't expect you to answer (I'll ask others) is the source of the sales page - is that RFS? How are they tested/presented/measured?
Thanks-
-John
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# Posted: 29 Oct 2007 01:40 · Edited by: Vishal P. Rao
I'm afraid I have to lock this thread. Please do not start a new topic on Reverse Funnel System. I believe users have enough information in the posts above.
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