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# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 14:24
Hi Ryan, I agree, the tracking of the ads in back really helps
to show where to spend your time and money.
Also, one may want to start off with a small ad and then
spend more for advertising where they are seeing results
with thsoe small ads.
ie,
A banner ad on bottom of page (cheaper ad space)
Banner ad on top of web page (more expensive but also
better results)
Paid solo ad in a certain ezine if you are seeing results from
a smaller ad like top sponsor spot, etc.
Terry, the advertising data base is in the back office.
If you'd like some ad copy, just let me or other RFS
members know.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 14:41
Hi Kim,
I have lots of my own ad copy. What I'm asking about is what is written and promised on the RFS Sales Letter.
When I look at all the Bonuses and Promises, I am finding that the majority of them actually don't exist.
I will provide ad copies too, but this is not our responsibility.
All the best,
TerryG
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 16:01
Quoting: kim_ward Paid solo ad in a certain ezine if you are seeing results from a smaller ad like top sponsor spot, etc.
Hey Kim,
I have tried some solo ads, but I haven't had any luck with any of them. Do you have any examples for advertising the reverse funnel system in ezine solo ads? If so... thanks! Have a great day,
Ryan
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 16:42
Terry,
That is exactly my problem with what is promised by the sales letter. Obviously, if they did "show you exactly where to place the ads" I (and others) wouldn't have spent so much up front trying to figure things out on our own.
Even on the beginner training calls Don Glanville will say, "Pull out your credit card, set it on the desk, and just start plcing ads.... doesn't matter where, just start placing ads where ever you can."
That's not very good advice, but it's the advice they give on evry beginner call... it's always the same.
I'm not bitter, just live and learn and move on... that's all.
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 11:27
Terry, I have found the bonuses that were mentioned on
the bonus page to exist, so we must be in different RFS
systems perhaps...lol
Best to you,
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 11:31
Quoting: traveldude Even on the beginner training calls Don Glanville will say, "Pull out your credit card, set it on the desk, and just start plcing ads.... doesn't matter where, just start placing ads where ever you can."
Strange, I have found Don to give very detailed advice on
where to place ads and how much money to spend on
different sites and why. In fact I even have recordings of
those calls for those in doubt. 
I guess we hear what we want to though.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 11:35
Quoting: rwade Hey Kim, I have tried some solo ads, but I haven't had any luck with any of them. Do you have any examples for advertising the reverse funnel system in ezine solo ads? If so... thanks! Have a great day, Ryan
Absolutely Ryan. Actually for ezine ads I have been using my
own funded proposal and showing RFS on the back end.
But I can send you some online ads via email.
I sent you a private message the other day, after you find
that, reply with email address to send it to.
Also, you may get ideas on the ad copy from our banners,
and expand from there.
Rock and Roll!
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 12:47
Quoting: kim_ward Absolutely Ryan. Actually for ezine ads I have been using my own funded proposal and showing RFS on the back end.
Right on, Kim!
That is exactly how to use e-zine advertising!
Every time, some opportunity becomes hot, advertising the same
page will bring less and less results.
So, if you don't get to promote it in early stages - you should find
alternative offer and back-end them to the hot one 
You should always use ezines for "targeted list building" instead of
"opportunity announcement" with exception of pre-launches etc.
Sometimes, after several weeks you could send an opportunity announcement again ( with your testimonial), but your results WILL
usually be smaller...
By sending alternative offers (reports, ebooks), you establish
yourself as an expert and can easily suggest 'back end opportunity"
I hope it helps,
Thomas
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 13:28
My son tried a certain targeted traffic source and drove over 10,000 hits to his RFS site. Out of those hits- he had a total of 15 actually go to his second page, not a single opt in to the $ 50 level and not a single sale.
I have had just under 3000 of the exact same source hits go to my site, have 178 to date that opted in to my second page and I have 5 new business affiliates that have joined so far- and 173 different prospects who have shown motivation enough to give me their name, telephone number, email address and time zone that I am talking to and giving to my downline to talk to- and yes, that is an example of how we support our downline- each of these sales I placed on a member of my team's downline as I am not accepting anyone else on my frontline. This just amplifies the kind of difference a "system" can make as well as the philosophy of "paying it forward" to build a deep organization for exponential growth.
I ask you this- which system is duplicatable and predictable? Same source of targeted leads- different websites and different systems- with dramatically different results. No hype at all- just plain ole factual differences in the results. The numbers do not lie in the business world!
Obviously, my son is not very pleased with his progress- while I am!
What a difference a "system" or "approach to this business" can make! The neat thing is each one of my new affiliates is really interested in building a business- how do I know? Because I actually talked to each one!
It is so easy to get passionate about this business when you see those kind of results first hand!
Chad
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 13:45
Thanks for the added info Thomas, great stuff!
Have a wonderful weekend!
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 13:48
I'm sorry Chad, I was not aware this thread was here for a
my system is better than yours discussion. I really thought it
was for people to learn about RFS.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 14:42 · Edited by: bizmentor
Kim-
I don't understand why you object to me sharing factual information.
The purpose of this discussion is for people to learn what the real facts are. That is all I am doing- sharing facts.
"Business Opportunities and Programs Reviews" is precisely what the label in the forum is- and we are discussing a "program review". I am sorry if you do not like that I and many others are sharing our experiences and those we talk to daily- but that is all we are doing. I have never attacked anyone here, never will- but I have been called names, etc. which is really pretty petty when you get down to it. People are looking at investing in a home business- they come here for information and facts- which is based on real people's experiences. That is all Terry, traveldude, islandman and others are sharing.
Perhaps a review of the very first post would be helpful-
Hello there,
has anyone heard sommething about the Reverse Funnel System of Ty Coughlin?
Any experience or comments?
Regards, Peter
You see- we are simply answering the question Peter and others have.
I happen to think those looking to invest in a business opportunity deserve to know facts before they make their decision. If they choose RFS after knowing all the facts I wish them nothing but the absolute best- but allow them, please to do their due diligence.
Have a wonderful weekend- you can look at a glass as half empty and being drained- or one that is half full and will be filled to the brim and beyond! It is all up to how we frame our minds!
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 14:42
Kim,
I believe Chad IS helping people learn about RFS. His statistics are real and involve the RFS. I'm sure he'll provide a screen-shot to show you exactly what he's talking about.
Why are you trying so hard to hide the facts - or trying to keep the thread so one-sided rather than allowing all views/opinions? Chad has some REAL tangible results that he's sharing. Would you rather he not share this information? If not, is it because this is to be a "pro-RFS only" thread, or because you believe it's going to harm your business because you use the RFS?
Many are here to help people succeed with GRN, Kim. Not to hide the truth solely because we happen to be using that "system".
PS. You know I like you and think you're a great business person, so please don't take this as a personal attack. I just don't know why you keep jumping on Chad when he's the only one actually providing proof and truthful statistics that actually HELP people make an informed decision.
All the best,
Terry
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 14:51
Terry, the Quoting: bizmentor Hello there, has anyone heard sommething about the Reverse Funnel System of Ty Coughlin? Any experience or comments? Regards, Peter
Exactly, that was the question Chad. Thanks for pointing that
out. He did not ask anyone to provide info on team specific
things, just RFS.
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 14:58 · Edited by: kim_ward
Quoting: moneyinmypocket I believe Chad IS helping people learn about RFS.
Would it not be better to do so without bringing in other
info that he benefits from Terry?
I never said he should not share his experience, only
not to pitch others on his team while doing so.
Oddly enough, it is only your team here doing that, while
at the same time having a campaign your team vs. RFS.
And RFS is open to all in GRN anyway.
Could we please move forward now?
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 15:57
Kim- your post confuses me. You know the Inner Circle is just one of many teams out there (who's leaders profit monthly from their downline by charging them $ 300 a month for their back office and the RFS). Anyone analyzing the GRN opportunity deserves to be able to view other ways to build their business- surely we agree on that.
This thread is not about just about presenting the RFS- Peter precisely asks "any experience or comments"? I and many others here are not "pitching" anything. In fact, the pro RFS posters on here are doing precisely that- with sometimes outlandish claims that I know are not based on real facts. I am here for one simple reason- to help people understand the full picture before they make an investment and decision.
The GRN product is a fabulous product. The Comp plan is a fabulous comp plan that rewards going deep and helping others in your downline succeed- precisely the way network marketing is supposed to work. That highlights yet another challenge about the RFS- it is based on people making money solely on their own transactional sales- and as a result does not offer the long term rewards of building a deep organization. There could not be two more different philosophies. I feel it is good for people to have factual information to make their own business choices from. As I have repeatedly said- if they do their due diligence and choose to go the RFS route I wish them nothing but success.
But they do deserve to hear all sides of the issue as they come here for information. I get a bundle of private messages each day thanking me for sharing objective, factual information. It is all good and that is definitely a positive way to "move forward" in life- if you help enough others get what they want in life, anything you want or need will come back to you!
Make it a great day!
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 21:14 · Edited by: SirThomas
Quoting: bizmentor RFS- it is based on people making money solely on their own transactional sales- and as a result does not offer the long term rewards of building a deep organization. There could not be two more different philosophies.
Chad, I like you buddy...but I am afraid you are totally confused ;-(
RFS's only philosophy is to eliminate "phone calling and talking to
pretty much anybody who felt like to put their name on your site...
That's IT, my friend! It's about screening people before you pick up
the phone. If you don't screen those people, you exposing yourself
to "spit swaping" match with any tire kicker out there...
Trust me Chad , I can go through 100's of names to find "diamonds",
but majority of "new" people will get beat up and quit... probably
missing a great chance to benefit from home based business!
I spent hours and hours prospecting on the phone and I know how
hard it can be on new people. You know those questions: how much
did you make, how many people are in your group etc..
I don't care about those questions and I won't be intimidated because
I am a six figure earner and have been working for myself all my
adult life (25+ years). I am NOT the one who feels out forms.
Those questions are irrelevant to me... I only care how they answer
my questions...
So, what does it have to do with Revers Funnel System?
Everything..
A new person doesn't have to have my experience
So, once again - RFS was designed to perform certain tasks and it
does perform them well. If you want you can build it wide, deep,
straight line, power legs or a combination... your choice!
You don't have to belong to any team to use RFS and you don't
have to belong to any team to build deep or give up some personal
sponsorships... There is nothing new to it. you can do pretty much
anything you want...
I use RFS to only deal with highly qualified people, not to generate
as many prospects as possible... That is the ONLY difference in
philosophies here
Besides, RFS can be used with any company and any payplan, so
by nature would not be affected by any possible changes...
However, how you build it after people go through is up to you.
I hope, this clarifies few things.
To your prosperity,
Thomas
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 22:51 · Edited by: bizmentor
Let me clarify Thomas... I am absolutely clear on what works and what does not.
oh, and just for the record- I am absolutely not confused in any way as to the proper method to make a great deal of money in this business- my prior reference as to being confused was only as to kim's post trying to keep me from posting the factual information I have about the RFS.
You guys want to TRY to discredit people who share REAL results like you think you can intimidate us in the process and drive us away with name calling, etc. Well, it simply cannot be done. We take the high road, the road to attraction of people that are positive minded, so attack if you think that is a good way to do things... it simply isn't.
We do agree on a difference of philosophies here... nothing could be more clear than that fact. We believe it is better to actually talk to a person before they spend a dime. The RFS does not. We believe it is important to build deep into your downline- which might mean forgiving " right now" profits... the RFS is all about having people opt in regardless of whether a soul has ever talked to them. RFS promises things it does not deliver- like the 6-7 income streams they promised my son- oh, but wait, there are no more income streams than GRN itself, are there?
Not a single word I ever post is meant to intimidate anyone, whatsoever. My posts are totally based on facts and not emotionally based like some on these forums. I am a successful business person who has founded 6 different businesses that are award winning. That is not to brag- when you do the right thing with your clients, recoginition finds you. It may just be the most telling testimonial as to the truth when that happens. Clients and raving fans- and in our business those affilitiates that join us and their own clients- are what really matters. Right?
I have chosen GRN as a great business opportunity, simply put. I enjoy sharing the truth with those that see the same opportunity.
Seeking the best of the best is what I love.... and helping them to succeed with real and tangible support!
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 22:59 · Edited by: kim_ward
Quoting: bizmentor Kim- your post confuses me. You know the Inner Circle is just one of many teams out there (who's leaders profit monthly from their downline by charging them $ 300 a month for their back office and the RFS). Anyone analyzing the GRN opportunity deserves to be able to view other ways to build their business- surely we agree on that. This thread is not about just about presenting the RFS- Peter precisely asks "any experience or comments"? I and many others here are not "pitching" anything. In fact, the pro RFS posters on here are doing precisely that- with sometimes outlandish claims that I know are not based on real facts. I am here for one simple reason- to help people understand the full picture before they make an investment and decision. The GRN product is a fabulous product. The Comp plan is a fabulous comp plan that rewards going deep and helping others in your downline succeed- precisely the way network marketing is supposed to work. That highlights yet another challenge about the RFS- it is based on people making money solely on their own transactional sales- and as a result does not offer the long term rewards of building a deep organization. There could not be two more different philosophies. I feel it is good for people to have factual information to make their own business choices from. As I have repeatedly said- if they do their due diligence and choose to go the RFS route I wish them nothing but success. But they do deserve to hear all sides of the issue as they come here for information. I get a bundle of private messages each day thanking me for sharing objective, factual information. It is all good and that is definitely a positive way to "move forward" in life- if you help enough others get what they want in life, anything you want or need will come back to you! Make it a great day!
Chad, I see that you are confused.
RFS is for everyone in GRN, not a team exclusive thing,
like you are comparing and promoting.
I too have an awesome system for people to use
within our team AFL, but that is not the topic here.
We also have priceless possibilities for those in GRN,
but that is not the topic here.
It's great for you to share your experience, but please
know there are many people RFS is helping, and I think
Thomas posted well on why that is. So, those people
will obviously post here about that, and I'm sure have
no problem reading other's experiences's that were not
good for whatever reason, but they are only coming
from your team, with a convenient solution.
We all have are respected teams outside of RFS, but
there is no need to go into that here. I think when
Peter asked for comments, he meant comments on
RFS, that is all this thread really is about, and to bring
up what your team offers distracts from that.
Posting your personal experience, even if it was negative
for you is perfectly ok, people expect to hear both sides.
And people in RFS may comment why it didn't work for
you and that's ok too.
Maybe you spent too much too quickly and did not give
it long enough to see the results of the money you put it.
May I ask how long you used it? Would you also comment
if you would start a new business and throw a bunch of
money into it and then give up in a short time?
Could we discuss those kind of issue's in a RFS thread?
If readers want to look at other options, our signature
file with our websites provide that for them.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 23:13
Quoting: bizmentor You guys want to TRY to discredit people who share REAL results like you think you can intimidate us in the process and drive us away with name calling, etc. Well, it simply cannot be done. We take the high road, the road to attraction of people that are positive minded, so attack if you think that is a good way to do things... it simply isn't. We do agree on a difference of philosophies here... nothing could be more clear than that fact. We believe it is better to actually talk to a person before they spend a dime. The RFS does not. We believe it is important to build deep into your downline- which might mean forgiving " right now" profits... the RFS is all about having people opt in regardless of whether a soul has ever talked to them. RFS promises things it does not deliver- like the 7 income streams they promised my son- oh, but wait, there are no more income streams than GRN itself, are there?
Chad, we did no such thing.
Maybe you did not completely understand RFS when using,
but they did say other income streams would be introduced
later on.
It's appears you have ulterior motives, and I'm not going to continue with you on RFS any longer.
Best to you in GRN,
Kim
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# Posted: 27 Oct 2007 23:50
Quoting: bizmentor You guys want to TRY to discredit people who share REAL results like you think you can intimidate us in the process and drive us away with name calling, etc.
When did I try to intimidate you or called you names, Chad?
All I'm saying is that RFS is a system designed to filter people out,
so you don't have to talk to every single soul that felt "click happy"
and filled out the form...
I have people that joined me through RFS and without it. I use the
system, because it saves me a lot of time.
If I want to cold call or use different "front pages" and follow up
with every person who feels out for more info - I can... and you know it.
Everyone joins GRN. RFS is only one of the systems (most successful
one at this moment) available. Anybody can use it.
If I want give up personals and build straight downline - I can and I will if I feel like it..
It has nothing to do with RFS. I built my business that way before
and suggested this several months ago. As a matter of fact, some
early leaders in GRN did just that...gave up some personal sign ups
to get qualified through many levels. Nothing new.
If I see RFS not being effective any more, I will not use it. I never
joined RFS, I joined GRN. If someone wants to join my team, but
doesn't want to use RFS, they are welcome. If they want create
their own systems...why not?
But to suggest, someone should seek for alternative sponsor who
doesn't use RFS is ridiculous! LOL
would I be a better sponsor if I quit using RFS? LOL
All the best to you,
Thomas
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:00 · Edited by: bizmentor
When my son asked where are all of these other income streams that the Inner Circle promised and all these conference calls with these top "experts" of network marketing, internet marketing, commodities, real estate, etc etc etc. were,, he was told until he until starts receiving $ 20,000 a month through the RFS he was not truly in the RFS "Inner Circle"... this with him paying his initial $50 only to be told he now would need to commit to $300 a month (after paying his "prequalifying payment to opt in") to the "leaders" for the back office of the RFS, and then to him putting the $2,995 on the line as well- and then he was told he was not getting the "Mentors" he was promised in all these other industries, much less any direct direction as to what worked marketing wise, other than "go max out your credit card and place some ads wherever you think might work"- or better yet- "order leads from our direct lead company or co- opt "(which happens to be owned by the same RFS leaders that charge you $300 a month for their back offices). Can anyone see a pattern here?
Do you want to make money not only for yourself, but also for your downline? RFS is pretty simple after you know the facts, it is about making money for the top and is based on transactions and not about helping your downline which can give you exponential growth in terms of income.
Sometimes the truth is something that frees you...
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:07
Quoting: bizmentor Sometimes the truth is something that frees you...
Ok Chad, you are free, be happy.
Have a wonderful weekend,
Kim
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:17 · Edited by: bizmentor
RFS- it is based on people making money solely on their own transactional sales- and as a result does not offer the long term rewards of building a deep organization. There could not be two more different philosophies.
Quoting: SirThomas
Chad, I like you buddy...but I am afraid you are totally confused ;-(
RFS's only philosophy is to eliminate "phone calling
so, if I and others (and for purposes you) how would you suggest building a relationship with serious minded people who are wanting to build a business if you never speak with them, ask them what there goals are, what there needs are, etc. Is that a business strategy or a "let's see if we get lucky strategy in the people that opt in under us we never prequalify or talk to strategy"?
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:26
Kim, Terry, Chad,
I have no dog in this hunt (yet); although I've said I don't believe RFS is for me, it is as yet on limited data.
I see both sides here have a point; this *is* a thread about "RFS", not "Chad's team system", so I can see why Chad touting his system might be considered to exhibiting poor manners; and yet he is pointing out what he considers a flaw in RFS which absolutely is on topic.
However, these are just claims and non-specific anecdotal evidence, it's hard for me to discern any real facts without seeing the specifics... I guess you don't want to give away trade secrets (understandable), but is it really necessary, to either the forum's charter or to 'trade secrecy', to not get a little more specific in this forum?
Let's see if I can boil down the difference, and ask another question or too, to highlight what is 'special' about RFS (since that is the thread topic):
Kim says that RFS is designed to 'pre-qualify' the purchaser, apparently primarily by the $50 app fee, so you don't waste time on tire-kickers. Chad, on the other hand, seems to think that NOT talking on the phone in person turns away people that would be a good addition to the team, and that this is a failing of RFS. Fair enough claims both ways - but what is the real data, resulting conversions, placement comparisons, average costs, media differences, etc... we don't know.
But even without that specific data, those are both interesting points, and questions, to consider. To Chad - do you really think a $50 app fee would have turned away people that you have accepted after a phone call? Kim, have you run other surves or whatever on those who turned away from the $50 app, are you sure they are mostly tirekickers?
I am sure these are things people talk about all the time, internally - and I understand you don't want to give away all of this in public - but aren't at least the principles of which choices have been made and why, germane to what RFS is and what it can do?
And the big question for me remains: Exactly who are you 'pre-qualifying'? RFS's main claims seem to be that it's 1) practically automatic and 2) it works even if you don't understand why and 3) trust me it works, and 4) not just anybody can start - you have to pay $50 first.
Believe me when I honestly say I do not intend ANY disrespect, but this seems to tell me that RFS primarily qualifies people who 1) think it will be easy and 2) want something simple and 3) are willing to accept assertions as fact without evidence and 4) have $50.
RFS may or may not get lots of $50 signups, and perhaps even purchases; but for how long, and how strong?
These are questions to be asked, and answered, in this forum, correct? To a large degree, I think Chad is doing that, when pointing out what he sees as a drawback of RFS. I think he goes a bit over the line when he says how much he supports his team and how (on an RFS thread, yet) - implying, but without any real evidence, that marketers of RFS in general do not... in reality I am sure some, maybe most, do.
But the real question is, for the purpose of this thread especially, what does RFS itself promise, and does it deliver?
In any event I do really like what I have heard, personally, from Terri and Kim, and Terry and Chad... I believe that whomever signs up under any of these folks will get all the help they need. I'm just still doubtful as to the method used by RFS (mostly I like the fact that Terry's and Chad's ads have more information - but maybe that's just me...) and the way it is promoted.
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:29
anyone care to respond to the numerous "promises" made by the RFS that are not being fulfilled?
That is the biggest complaint I hear from people and the biggest complaint I heard from my son....
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:44
Not nice, Chad.... If you quote me, do it properly. Here it is:
Quoting: SirThomas RFS's only philosophy is to eliminate "phone calling and talking to pretty much anybody who felt like to put their name on your site...
As you can see, you missed a vital part of what I was describing:
"calling anybody who feels like to put their name on some forms..."
Big difference here. And that's all I'm talking about.
As a matter of fact, you don't need to set up any "systems" to talk
to people.
I don't know how long you've been with GRN, but there was no
systems when they first started. Only that site with a movie
provided by the company.
Yet my upline made 20k+ in three weeks... entirely by phone.
But what he was doing is NOT duplicatable and we all know it. If it
was, we would never hear about RFS or any other system.
No system is perfect and if something doesn't bring results you
count on, you have all rights to use something else. But, you don't
have to switch teams to do so...
Thomas
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 00:50 · Edited by: bizmentor
Reality-
I do applaud your continuing to do your due diligence. I might want to correct your perspective on one single issue-and that of kim's. This thread is about any one considering RFS- not a promote thread about RFS as some would like it to be. I apologize if some of the facts I (and others) present make others nervous, but the facts are that RFS does not work for many like some say it does. I have not "touted my system" like some would like to turn this thread into rather than a "pro RFS thread" like some would like this to be. We are simply presenting the facts.
I think your own question sums things up -
"Believe me when I honestly say I do not intend ANY disrespect, but this seems to tell me that RFS primarily qualifies people who 1) think it will be easy and 2) want something simple and 3) are willing to accept assertions as fact without evidence and 4) have $50."
Is it right to ask someone that is serious (most of the people in my own downline are serious minded business professionals, though I will absolutely not take away the potential of the stay at home Mom, like our own Jill, who is unbelievable and has great support from her husband, Mike who have a great need, though not a lot of experience yet- no problem, we can help train you and I can get Jill on the phone, personally so she can share her own experiences with you, if need be (together they have a beautiful 7 month old guy, who is a super infant!) to take some action. But is it appropriate to do so without all the facts and by overpromising? For instance, they don't disclose the $ 300 a month until you opt in, do they?
I do think that the $50 fee will drive some otherwise serious people away that might otherwise be great team members. I will take personal contact with someone on the phone 10,000 times over someone that happens to opt in and spend the bucks on a site based on many, many promises that unfornately are promised but do not materialize within the RFS. That is just me. The bigger picture is the downline exponential and "giving back" approach to doing things rather than the RFS "make my day" by adding someone transactionally to a single vertical downline like RFS promotes. There is a huge difference.
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 01:07
Quoting: RealityBytes But the real question is, for the purpose of this thread especially, what does RFS itself promise, and does it deliver?
What do you mean by "promise"? You mean what it does and how it
works?
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# Posted: 28 Oct 2007 01:13
I think he is referring to all the promises that are not delivered, Sir Thomas.......
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