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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:28
Kim,
I met a guy on other forum who spend $25 on a simple adster ad
and brought a sale!
And we try to be so sophisticated!
Thomas
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bizmentor
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:31
The challenge with the "results will vary" approach is there are a lot more people who have spent thousands on marketing costs with the RFS and still do not have a single, solitary sale to show for it.
I am much more into taking control of my own business and having a duplicatable and predictable system to succeed. Yes, I have read those claims about 35% conversion rates- but I am here to tell you that my experience is more like .004%- and that was just to get past the first page! With zero sales! (and I have talked to many more people who had the same experience with RFS)
Reality, please check your pm- I am happy to explain the difference between RFS and GRN. It is not at all true that the only (or that matter the best) way to gain access to the tremendous product and comp plan is with the RFS. It is very important to look at your different options and then choose the one that is best for your individual circumstances.
The internet is becoming filled with stories well documented about no support and no sales from people spending thousands on advertising that did not work. Fortunately, there are also folks out there who will share what actually does work, even pass down some sales to help you get started which can work with this compensation plan (to build deep and build residual income off of others efforts that you personally helped train). That is where the real power comes in with this comp plan. The #1 problem with RFS is you do not even get to show the wonderful product to your prospects.... and most people never even talk to anyone so they do not get the information they need to make an intelligent choice.
As for spending $ 50 and happening to get a sale... we have team members not spending a dime more than their initial membership cost and making more than one sale! In fact, most recover their costs very quickly without spending any more money- and then we teach them how to reinvest in their business to add more!
It is all about doing your Due Diligence. Let me know if I can help you!
To your success!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:44
Quoting: bizmentor The challenge with the "results will vary" approach is there are a lot more people who have spent thousands on marketing costs with the RFS and still do not have a single, solitary sale to show for it.
There is no challenge with that Chad, it's the honest truth in
marketing.
Is there a way for you to stay on topic and not talk about
what your team offers? Would love to have a discussion
without a sales pitch.
If what you have is working so well, no need to keep bringing
that up in a RFS thread, now is there?
Thanks,
Kim
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 11:48
Quoting: SirThomas Kim, I met a guy on other forum who spend $25 on a simple adster ad and brought a sale! And we try to be so sophisticated! Thomas __________________ Thomas
Ho Thomas, nice to bump into you here.
No, no need to try and be sophisticated!
Speaking of which, did you hear that guy on today's
call that uses mostly free advertising?
$136.00 spent in ads = $26,000 profit.
Do you remember how many weeks he has been in, I think
it was six.
You have to love free advertising!
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 12:41
Quoting: RealityBytes Here is my take so far... I was in on a 'marketing call' from RFS (that I wasn't supposed to hear apparently - a couple callers said they hadn't signed up yet and had questions, and Ty told them they should listen to the testimonial call instead, the next morning), and I was somewhat taken aback by the claim by Ty himself that he "doesn't understand the system itself, it just makes money". I looked on his site and a few others but couldn't find specifics on either the product (I did eventually, but it wasn't easy) or the specifics of the compensation (until I followed a link that I found here actually!).After following those links, however, I definitely WAS impressed, by both the product and the plan... but I still don't know which part of the "System" is from GRN and which part is RFS. But it doesn't matter really, because after watching the plan video at GRN, I can see it definitely is NOT a pyramid scheme!But I think the people are still important that you sign on with, and although Ty may be a fine gentleman, I'm not entirely comfortable with the answer "don't try to understand it, trust me it works".On top of that, when I did listen to the testimonials call the next morning, I'm pretty sure I recognized the voice of Doug Wellen, (Ty's partner?) as sounding a lot like Don LaPre, who has a pretty distinctive voice (you know, the guy from the 'Making Money Secrets' infomercials 5 or 10 years back?).
Welcome to the forum... I hope you are finding much useful information here to help in your decision...
Your Don LaPre line was funny, but I really don't think he and Doug Wellens are the same person; although they have a similar hypie type sales pitch vibe about them. I've actually spoken to Doug and he seems to be a real nice guy.... just really happy I guess.
Nothin' wrong with that!
Congratulations for doing your due diligence! Getting on an RFS call before jumping in (if you can) is a great idea. Nothing like really taking a look under the hood and kicking some tires.
The idea that "you have access to Ty on the calls if you like" is funny to me because there is never a time that anyone talks to him except when asked to do a testimonial or if you are one of the other "leaders" of the Inner Circle. These calls are certainly not based around questions and answers. I think I've only missed 3 or 4 of the 9pm "training" calls since I started and the calls never seem to change much.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Ty is a really busy guy and I don't blame him for not being accessible on the calls. The calls would go on for hours, I'm sure.
I do think it's a great idea for interested people to get on a few of these calls and listen in for themselves. Who knows, you may like what you hear.... but get used to it, because you're going to hear alot of it.
That's my take,
Scott
Now, if I could just find my keys!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 13:02
Quoting: traveldude The idea that "you have access to Ty on the calls if you like" is funny to me because there is never a time that anyone talks to him except when asked to do a testimonial or if you are one of the other "leaders" of the Inner Circle. These calls are certainly not based around questions and answers. I think I've only missed 3 or 4 of the 9pm "training" calls since I started and the calls never seem to change much.
Scott, do you go to Monday night calls? He was there last
night helping new people.
Also, there are 2 other RFS help and training calls besides
the nightly 9pm calls. They even call your leads for you, if you
ask. If you need access to that info, just send me a message.
Cheers,
Kim
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bizmentor
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 13:03 · Edited by: bizmentor
Kim-
This thread is here for discussions about the RFS- you are pitching it as the best thing since "sliced bread"- unfortunately there are a lot of people who have not had that experience at all.
People are coming to ask questions and get information- and it is ok for us to give them information. Isn't that the purpose of a forum? I am sorry if you take opposition to that. But, as you say yourself, RFS is not for everyone.
Marketing is not all a crap shoot- and it shouldn't be. Marketing is all about creating a duplicatable and predictable system for you to be able to serve your target market. I do not have to "pitch" anything- I am here to fill needs and give information. It has been said there are 175,000 new home based businesses started every day. That is a lot of folks looking for answers in their lives. Unfortunately, most fail as they are not plugged into a duplicatable and predictable system backed by quality training.
RFS has it's challenges in that you never even prequalify someone that might be joining with a simple phone conversation. As for me, I would much prefer "taking the bull by the horns" and choosing people that are serious and that we have established we have a value system fit so that I can help that person not become a statistic in the home based business arena. The latest stats indicate 97+ % fail. That is a lot of fallout- and not many have untold amounts sitting around to spend on advertising not knowing if it will pull or not or if it will convert. To me, that just does not make much sense. Remember, the RFS calls are open to all GRN distributors- so we all get to hear the horror stories and people complaining on the calls just as you do.
A thought comes to mind... people who live in glass houses don't throw rocks at others!
It is perfectly fine for me to give my experience- as others are also- I am here to try and help people succeed. There are systems on opposite sides of the spectrum within the GRN family. It is important people be able to pick the one that they are most comfortable with and will allow them the best chance to succeed.
Make it a great day!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 13:15
Quoting: bizmentor This thread is here for discussions about the RFS- you are pitching it as the best thing since "sliced bread"- unfortunately there are a lot of people who have not had that experience at all.
I never said that Chad, this thread is about RFS and I have
given both sides of the story. If you missed that, please check again.
I understand what marketing is, all I was saying is there are
no guarantee's that someone will make a certain amount in
a certain time frame. To tell people otherwise is wrong, and
probably against the law, so I do not go down that path,
nor do I need to.
All I was saying is that I think it's best to stay on topic Chad.
I use other systems too, but this thread is not about that.
If people want to check out what I offer, they can click on my
site, it's not hard to find. 
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 14:12
Quoting: kim_ward Hi RB, welcome to the forum. First I can say that is not Don, but Doug does have as much energy...lol
Hi Kim, thanks for the welcome!
Yes, it just occurred to me that Doug may simply have 'taken lessons' from Don, they both do seem to have a lot of energy and that is good! (Besides, I did like the product I got from Don, even though it was a bit outdated at the time, it was all interesting)
In any event, I will very likely be signing up soon, so far you and Terry and Chad have my attention...
I do have one other question, and I'll throw it out to everyone - has anyone here actually used the product? Was it everything it's cracked up to be?
That is what I would do, first thing! So, does anyone have a report on how they found the process of dealing with Global Resorts?
-John
p.s. - has anyone thought to offer a trial membership - i.e., sign up for $50 or $100 or whatever, and be given one of the 'guest weeks' to use? Maybe with the proviso that you can use one of theirs later, after they buy a full membership? Just a thought...
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 14:55 · Edited by: bizmentor
Quoting: kim_ward Speaking of which, did you hear that guy on today's call that uses mostly free advertising? $136.00 spent in ads = $26,000 profit. Do you remember how many weeks he has been in, I think it was six.
Honestly, I find these kinds of claims are what discredits and taints the network marketing business. I do not think that is healthy in this industry- there is no need to hype the wonderful GRN product and comp plan. For some to read this and think it actually occurs is not a healthy thing at all, in my opinion. There are to many impressionable people that will spend money they do not have based on these kinds of statements.
The old saying "if it sounds to good to be true it probably is" comes to mind.
That is not to say you cannot do really well with this product and comp plan- but these claims of outlandish conversions are really getting far fetched these days- which is not a good thing for the industry or GRN. All one needs to do is look at other network marketing opportunities that were hyped up like this that came crashing down to see the danger it affords.
Success of this kind of money in a particular six week period is attainable if you build deep into your downline and are willing to learn and work and mentor those below you to be successful themselves- this is the cornerstone of the concept that makes network marketing tick- unfortunately for most they never realize that. Don't expect profits like that to happen in your first six weeks by never talking to anyone and only placing free ads.
Make it a great day- but do so with both your feet well grounded and your head looking forward- but not in the clouds!
Chad
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 15:00
I can share my experience of using the actual product-
I did a search of airlines tickets for a fast turn (7 day advance- I thought I was going to get hammered on the price due to the short advance notice).
I looked at retail for AA, United, Air Canada, etc.
I looked at Expedia, Travelocity, etc.
I did the same search on our site- What I was expecting to be close to a $ 1000 ticket cost round trip direct ending up costing me right at $ 450- which includes both the US and Canada taxes. Yes, I was pleased!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 15:15
heres a red flag - when I researched the business, I came up with only good responses. Google has a huge amount of pages all saying this is a legitimate business and not a scam, but each website seemed to be part of the MLM or RFS industry. I didnt see one truly un-biased website give an evaluation. Even you tube has videos of people saying this is a scam in the title, but the video says "I only made 37,000 this month, what a scam...they told me 40 was possible". No one is that good...maybe I am too scared, but it seems like an impressive campaign to promote the business. Type in any business in the US with the word fraud, scam, or truth and you get something...not this one. I am sorry, if it looks too good to trust, then maybe it is. I found out its basically selling for a timeshare company...now, this arm seems legit, but then the timeshare company may not be...there are some warnings about them on the internet. The whole thing is very fishy, and I have decided there are better ways to make money, and this is way too risky
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:00
Quoting: bizmentor Marketing is not all a crap shoot- and it shouldn't be. Marketing is all about creating a duplicatable and predictable system for you to be able to serve your target market. I do not have to "pitch" anything- I am here to fill needs and give information.
Hi Chad, yes i got your PM and like I said to Kim, you both have very good points and interesting offers. Thanks for being willing to provide so much information even before you make a sale!
Having said that, although you may be brimming over with enthusiasm for your "mission" to make sure anyone who buys the membership will get oodles of support from you and your team, I expect Kim feels exactly the same way about her team - just because you didn't get that from others, doesn't mean you are the only one who has recognized the problem and has come up with a solution. You probably don't mean it to sound that way, but it does somewhat.
Having said THAT now (lol - yeah I argue with myself a lot, I'm a Gemini it's OK!), I am concerned about RFS for 2 reasons:
1) The name itself. At best it's a gimmicky way to describe every MLM system, as near as I can tell; (I signed up for the 'detailed information' but still not sure what it means except that $50 more will tell me how far I made it 'into the funnel') at worst, it seems to focus almost entirely on how to get money from people like me and funnel it to people already 'in' - if I pay $3000 I can be at the receiving end of the funnel instead of the collecting end. Even though I know it is NOT a pyramid scheme, this seems to actually encourage people to treat it as such, especially combined with the next point.
(By the way, the 'perpetual leverage' concept is something I've not seen before, but that's from GRN not RFS isn't it?)
2) Little mention is made of the product - and indeed the RFS could be used for any product so in a sense the product doesn't matter... except that is one of the hallmarks of a pyramid scheme, why emphasize that part? I want to know they've got a good product (and they do!), but not much is there to show that. And why aren't there testimonials about the product? I would think that would figure prominently in showing value - again, to show more proof that this is legit, not just a scheme - why not include that?
3) The website for $299/month - is it really worth that? From looking at the GRN site it seems you already get a website and some of the back office stuff for $100/YEAR (definitely reasonable!), and GRNbizbuilder for $35/mo seems to cover the rest. Does the $50 plus $299/mo for RFS include all that? What else? It isn't clear. I could do a lot of Adwords with $200-$299/mo, and everyone else has conference training calls too, for free... I'm sure the overrides easily cover those expenses.
Especially with such a high cost of admittance, their ad leaves me somewhat skeptical... even though I've done my research and have been pretty much convinced (by GRN, not by RFS) that it's a great product and a great compensation plan, I suspect that the RFS ad will turn away many people such as myself, attracting more of those that accept "trust me it works" as a convincing argument.
I guess that's what others may mean when they say "RFS may, or may not, be for you"
(By the way, I just listened to another marketing call today, Doug Wellen does sound a bit like Don Lapre, but not quite the same - in any event he definitely was working hard at helping people on the call - kudos to him!)
Anyway, that's my full thoughts on RFS at this point...
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:31
Quoting: moneyinmypocket Aside from that, I have a gentleman on our team who just purchased a hot-week. This resort he is going to next week sells for over $2000/week, and he got his for $295. He has actually booked the vacation for marketing purposes - what better marketing could you do than to show up at one of our resorts after having paid only $295, and then telling people how he did it. I'm confident that he will see sales come from this!
OK, two more things -
First, yes I'll bet you're right! Maybe there should be a place to collect stories (and pictures!) of such marketing trips (tax-deductible, no doubt)!
Second, I think I know what RFS is now - it's the idea that all this is 'automated', that the element of 'human error' is taken out of the equation, as I've seen stated repeatedly.
Great! my first two issues still stand, though, for most of the RFS ads I've seen... and although a truly 'automated' system might answer the third question I had (is it worth $299/mo?), from the training calls I heard there still seems to be a lot of technical things you need to do, and constantly adjust, and the marketing part is NOT a turnkey system as far as I can tell... I guess that's what makes the team's support so valuable!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:39
well thought out analysis, John. You are not alone in your views. Most people come to the conclusions you have.
I have pm'd you with answers to your questions.
Congratulations on doing your due diligence!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:41
Quoting: RealityBytes Hi Chad, yes i got your PM and like I said to Kim, you both have very good points and interesting offers. Thanks for being willing to provide so much information even before you make a sale! Having said that, although you may be brimming over with enthusiasm for your "mission" to make sure anyone who buys the membership will get oodles of support from you and your team, I expect Kim feels exactly the same way about her team - just because you didn't get that from others, doesn't mean you are the only one who has recognized the problem and has come up with a solution. You probably don't mean it to sound that way, but it does somewhat. Having said THAT now (lol - yeah I argue with myself a lot, I'm a Gemini it's OK!), I am concerned about RFS for 2 reasons: 1) The name itself. At best it's a gimmicky way to describe every MLM system, as near as I can tell; (I signed up for the 'detailed information' but still not sure what it means except that $50 more will tell me how far I made it 'into the funnel') at worst, it seems to focus almost entirely on how to get money from people like me and funnel it to people already 'in' - if I pay $3000 I can be at the receiving end of the funnel instead of the collecting end. Even though I know it is NOT a pyramid scheme, this seems to actually encourage people to treat it as such, especially combined with the next point. (By the way, the 'perpetual leverage' concept is something I've not seen before, but that's from GRN not RFS isn't it?) 2) Little mention is made of the product - and indeed the RFS could be used for any product so in a sense the product doesn't matter... except that is one of the hallmarks of a pyramid scheme, why emphasize that part? I want to know they've got a good product (and they do!), but not much is there to show that. And why aren't there testimonials about the product? I would think that would figure prominently in showing value - again, to show more proof that this is legit, not just a scheme - why not include that? 3) The website for $299/month - is it really worth that? From looking at the GRN site it seems you already get a website and some of the back office stuff for $100/YEAR (definitely reasonable!), and GRNbizbuilder for $35/mo seems to cover the rest. Does the $50 plus $299/mo for RFS include all that? What else? It isn't clear. I could do a lot of Adwords with $200-$299/mo, and everyone else has conference training calls too, for free... I'm sure the overrides easily cover those expenses. Especially with such a high cost of admittance, their ad leaves me somewhat skeptical... even though I've done my research and have been pretty much convinced (by GRN, not by RFS) that it's a great product and a great compensation plan, I suspect that the RFS ad will turn away many people such as myself, attracting more of those that accept "trust me it works" as a convincing argument. I guess that's what others may mean when they say "RFS may, or may not, be for you" (By the way, I just listened to another marketing call today, Doug Wellen does sound a bit like Don Lapre, but not quite the same - in any event he definitely was working hard at helping people on the call - kudos to him!) Anyway, that's my full thoughts on RFS at this point...
Hi RB,
Thanks kindly, and yes I do believe and offer support as well.
You are correct, the perpetual leverage system is for GRN,
not RFS. The RFS system just offers the GRN membership,
so the 3k is for that and that only. Unless one gets the
lower Gold membership which you can get through RFS
as well.
But here is the thing to consider. RFS is just a system used
to sell GRN, and what I mean when I say it may or may
not be for you, is that one, the monthly cost to use the
system may not be within everyone's budget, and two,
there may be some things that they don't like about it,
not everything is for everyone.
There were things I did not like about it at first either,
but I started to see how it was helping a lot of people
and decided to look at the benefits of it.
And, it has it benefits for new marketers as well as us
old timers. Which I can go into further detail if you'd like.
My reason for posting some of the success stories with
people using free or low cost advertising is to share that
there are both sides of the spectrum as well as down the
middle results.
I am getting stats from others on what they are seeing,
and it helps to give an overall view of what is happening
for people, not just the 2 stories I posted about, or the
"horror" story Chad keeps bringing up.
Hope that helps a bit more, and if I missed anything, just
let me know.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 19:49 · Edited by: luvtravel
Anyone who is afraid of success and sales should NOT get RFS!
GRN is the product and RFS the vehicle, my upline has 96 team members he got using the RFS system yet the man supports each team member as if you are the only one on his team, he signed up that many and had great success with RFS, I got a sale after just 9 days and I have several more in the funnel, I have had over 400 plus optins.Another person had 2600 optins and 26 sales.
So IF you want sales than listen to SUCCESS stories
IF you dont want sales and success than listen to the whiners, naysayers, crying about teams etc etc etc
That and a nickel will get you NO WHERE!
BUT if you want success go with RFS and GRN, OR just at least go with GRN!
We dont chase people we dont beg people we dont put down others systems we dont have to!
Now watch the responses to my posts, see if you think they are winners or LOSERS!
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:00
Kim,
Was not on the RFS call last night. That is GREAT news! Right time, right place. I keep my advertising cost WAY down. I have concentrated my efforts into learning and gaining resources that will help establish a long term presence on the web. As always, still learning but I am happy to pass along the lessons and will help others, as you know!
I advertise a little at a time in the places and in the format that I feel will get the best results. Like anything else, it can be hit or miss, so I make sure that I am getting the most out of it.
The reverse funnel system is not for everyone. We know that already. It is not a get rich scheme. It can make money quickly but it can also take some time. I prefer to keep the costs down and work for the long term benefit. I want to keep making money for a long time and not just a quick hit, although it is VERY nice to get the results right out of the gate. To stay productive in the reverse funnel system it will take a steady effort and continued marketing.
Stirling
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 00:02
Hi All,
It is great that everyone here gets to share their views on whatever "system" they choose to promote GRN. We live in a free society where we can share our views. What a blessing!
I can tell you I was very close to signing up with the Reverse Funnel System... in fact I had my card in hand, but something just didn't click for me with this "system" It seemed like the only person or persons to benefit from the RFS are the people who created RFS.
I had a very nice lady who signed up with me today who was already a member of GRN and the RFS. She went ahead and purchased another membership in order to join our team. She saw the benefit of being a part of a team effort to help build everyone's business. Her main concern was the lack of support she received from her upline. In fact he flat out told her he would not do a three way call with her and that she had to figure it out alone.
Now please understand, I am not saying that everyone in RFS is letting their downline fail, but from my observations of it, she was not the only one to purchase another membership and switch teams. If this thread is about RFS then lets lay everything on the line. People deserve to hear both sides of the story. Yes, I'm sure there are people making a lot of money with it, but I have yet to talk to one.
With whatever anyone decides to do , I wish them the best of luck. Success begins with a team effort. Leverage your time and energy to be a business builder, not a salesman. When your team succeeds you succeed.
Aloha from Maui!
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 00:15 · Edited by: moneyinmypocket
Wow, Terri.
I must jump in and be "one of those people"... You know that I don't complain, I don't put others down, I am here solely to support those in GRN, but this post doesn't look good on you. It completely doesn't match your personality.
You just called people "Losers", "Whiners", "Naysayers" (of which I have not seen ONE naysayer here or anywhere), and then go on to put people down for their negativity?
You have posted here that if people sign up with those who you are calling "Losers", "Whiners", etc., that they will not make sales. This insinuation that grn members must use the rfs to market their GRN business is not only false, but so much farther from the truth that it doesn't make sense. Ask anyone "not" using the RFS.
Please don't get me wrong. I know you have nothing but the best of intentions for others, and I completely trust that you are successful using the RFS- I 100% realize that the RFS is a good marketing tool for certain markets. It has it's downfalls, however. Every system does. It's not a huge surprise. Nothing is perfect. We all have to work to be successful no matter what we're using or doing - but success IS possible using whichever technique that suits your business.
I'll bet there's many who just sell via word of mouth, having purchased it as a retail product - or perhaps just selling as a retail product.
This is not about this team or that, this product Sells - the system does not. GRN will exist and people will succeed with or without the RFS or any other competing System. When somebody joins you, it's still 100% their choice which System they want to use for their business. And choosing a different System rather than the RFS does not mean they're choosing destined Failure. I have a ton of proof to support that.
And you say "If you want success, Listen to success stories?" Wouldn't it be just as logical to say "If you want to save yourself from failure, Listen to others "failure" stories"?
To Everyones Success,
Terry G
Quoting: luvtravel Anyone who is afraid of success and sales should NOT get RFS! GRN is the product and RFS the vehicle, my upline has 96 team members he got using the RFS system yet the man supports each team member as if you are the only one on his team, he signed up that many and had great success with RFS, I got a sale after just 9 days and I have several more in the funnel, I have had over 400 plus optins.Another person had 2600 optins and 26 sales. So IF you want sales than listen to SUCCESS stories IF you dont want sales and success than listen to the whiners, naysayers, crying about teams etc etc etc That and a nickel will get you NO WHERE! BUT if you want success go with RFS and GRN, OR just at least go with GRN! We dont chase people we dont beg people we dont put down others systems we dont have to! Now watch the responses to my posts, see if you think they are winners or LOSERS!
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 04:27
Quoting: moneyinmypocket And you say "If you want success, Listen to success stories?" Wouldn't it be just as logical to say "If you want to save yourself from failure, Listen to others "failure" stories"? To Everyones Success, Terry G
Terry,
I'd have to differ here
It all depends on what your plan is or should iI say "intentions"...
If all you're trying to achieve is to "save yourself from failure"... then
you are absolutely right - you should only listen to "failure" stories.
It's like listening to "failure" stories by all divorced people to save
yourself from your own divorce... It doesn't work very well
If you search for prosperity, listen to stories of courage, adventure
and never ending "quest" to learn more...
We listen to "stories" when we want to justify our decisions... See,
we really make our decisions way in advance. They are a derivative
of our experiences and how we perceived them...
Then, we just look for justification to move one way or another.
Why am I saying this? Well... if someone fights with the idea,
there is usually a way deeper reason than that of "good" story or
"bad" story..
In my opinion, comparing RFS (which was designed to pre-screen
prospects) to the way someone might decide to build their group,
is not accurate or fair to either side...
One could use RFS and still strategically position people, giving up
sponsorships or build straight downline...
When I first started with GRN, I wanted to build it with two power
legs. Unfortunately, nobody understood what I was talking about
I studied this plan probably more than anybody else, because my
personal friend invented "perpetual leverage" 10 years ago and
than remodeled it to it's present form.
There ARE ways to maximize results, but someone has to take a hit
and others have to follow the plan how to build it effectively! As a
matter of fact, I am reconsidering my early plan...We will see
Getting late here,
Thomas
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 05:20
Quoting: moneyinmypocket Wow, Terri. I must jump in and be "one of those people"... You know that I don't complain, I don't put others down, I am here solely to support those in GRN, but this post doesn't look good on you. It completely doesn't match your personality.
Indeed, Terry, I've only been here two days but Terri's words, starting from someone who was happy what she was doing and still deciding to join GRN/RFS (and is still apparently happy with both) was an even better testimonial than someone who just jumped right in from the beginning, in my opinion... and this doesn't sound like her other posts. Maybe she's just having a bad day, or misinterpreted something that was said... we're all human!
I look at all posts as a whole, and from what I've read I think I'd be lucky to have Terri as a sponsor, but that won't happen because I've decided that RFS is not for me - although I'm sure it can work well for some people.
For now, I've just got to push all my nickels together, maybe I'll join one of those meetings in Toronto with you in the not too distant future!
-John
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 08:46 · Edited by: moneyinmypocket
Hi John,
Actually, the next "members" meeting is in Vegas
This way we can all pay a visit to GRN and thank those who are making this amazing business possible!
Sir Thomas, I completely see you point, but I'm not talking about listening to horror stories about this. One HUGE part of any due diligence when it comes to deciding which "home business" to become a part of is to look for success stories. It is equally important to look for "horror" stories to see where some might be struggling - or at least to get a sense of how others are doing.
My main example is this - if you search around for any negativity about GRN, I don't believe you'll find it. Our members LOVE what we have. Continue your research and you WILL find negativity about certain "Systems" one uses to market their business. Red flag. Look at John above, for example. He's doing his due diligence properly, not by jumping on a RFS board that has been completely hijacked by a team of RFS cheerleaders. He will NOT get an unbiased description of how the RFS will work for him (and how it's working for others). Dig a little deeper and get on to a forum that has REAL people on it - who are seriously trying to help you make a decision about GRN and what System might best suit you and your business model - and then you've got substance. Real life testimonials. The truth. Reality.
The RFS is for certain people- and can and will work for those certain people. These people are not "losers" or "whiners", they are GRN Independent distributors who are using the RFS to market their business. I make no threats that if they use the RFS they will fail - and I wish them just as much luck as I do somebody who signs directly on my team. We're all here for the same reason after all.
All the best,
Terry
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 13:19 · Edited by: SirThomas
Terry,
Perhaps, I haven't worded my comment properly. I am all for due
diligence.
I also believe, people should check GRN itself first.. That's what they
pay for.
When it comes to RFS, it serves it's purpose very well - it sorts and
qualifies people, so you don't have to jump on the phones and start
talking to everyone who answer your ad...
For me, RFS is a tool one might use to qualify certain market
segments, but it's still only a tool... You are free to use any tool
or all of them at the same time... many people do
Unfortunately, some people made it "this or nothing" approach.
Every system will cost some money to operate and to me, it's rather
a question whether the extra $200-$300 gets me what I want.
If it doesn't - I will no longer use it. It's that simple.
The only problem I am seeing is that, it also scares away some
"good" prospects and that might be the reason why some people
spent too much money without seeing any returns...
But then, who knows whether they were "good" prospects in a first
place.
Time will tell. A new system is coming... it will be interesting!
To Your Prosperity,
Thomas
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 16:45
Very well thought-out post, Thomas.
Keep up the great work!
Terry
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 17:22
Quoting: SirThomas When it comes to RFS, it serves it's purpose very well - it sorts and qualifies people, so you don't have to jump on the phones and start talking to everyone who answer your ad...
That is what I like about it too Thomas, and I'm very
impressed with the kind of people who pay at the $50.00
level as well, it's like the system helps qualify serious
prospects, separates the men from the boys...women
from the girls.
Does not get much better than that for those who have
had to deal with many tire kickers, people looking for a
free ride, or those not willing to take responsibility for
their own success.
I was surprised at the quality of people it has attracted,
before I would have guess just the opposite, but instead
it's attracting serious marketer's.
It is also meant to be a system for those who are new and
may struggle closing sales once their leads come in. They
can let the system take over, have Ty call and send a
voice mail with a pre-recorded message, or have someone
from our calls call their $50.00 leads for them.
Like you said, their are many tools in GRN, this is one,
and I'm excited to see the new one too. I hear it's going
to be focused on the product, which people will love as
well.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 24 Oct 2007 17:50
I don't want to speak for Terri, but she could be a little
taken back from all this negativity from one team about
RFS.
It's just not good for GRN guys, here is why.
Sharing stories good or bad is fine, but not when it comes
with a sales pitch, and talking on no support in other teams,
and so forth, it paints a very bad imagine of GRN.
I have seen this same thing happened in Coastal warning
people of other rep's, all over the net. It just tacky, plain and
simple, and does not say much about the team doing it or
people in GRN.
Heck, the other day I even viewed a video from someone
on that team stating they are the only team that offers
support. Give me a break, do people even buy that stuff?
Here's an idea... Why don't we start to concentrate on
showing people looking in how wonderful a family GRN
members are, and if they happen to fall somewhere where
they do not get the support they need, let's help them,
guide them where to go, like Saturday morning calls, and
training calls during the week.
Much better than using scare tactics, or having people
switch teams, which is considered by many very unethical,
and against everything NWM is about.
Let's raise people up, lend a helping hand, and show
everyone looking at GRN with or without RFS what a
great family we have here. I don't know about you,
but I love all the calls, support and people in GRN, in
fact I think we have too much support and calls...
Cheers!
Kim
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2007 04:48
Quoting: traveldude Here are my personal stats from the last month and a half.... I hope this helps: $3,200 spent on marketing RFS = 5 paid $50 leads / NO Sales! In my opinion, join a team that focuses more on marketing Global Resorts and not so much on RFS.... unless you have experience in internet marketing OR tons of money to throw at testing ad campaigns. The other thing I'm having issues with is that my $50 paid leads were shocked when they saw the $300 / month cost for RFS when they go to sign up.... (at the very end of the "funnel") People are having success with RFS, but they are a select few with developed lists of prospects from years of online marketing. That's fine, and most people within RFS... if you ask them, will tell you it's not for everyone. It certainly wasn't for me.... I don't have that kind of cash to lay out on "campaign testing" anymore. I'm out! Scott
Hi Scott,
thats just way too much to spend at the beginning!!
thanks for sharing your info and good luck in the future...
regards, Peter
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2007 17:10
Quoting: PeterB Quoting: traveldude Here are my personal stats from the last month and a half.... I hope this helps: $3,200 spent on marketing RFS = 5 paid $50 leads / NO Sales! In my opinion, join a team that focuses more on marketing Global Resorts and not so much on RFS.... unless you have experience in internet marketing OR tons of money to throw at testing ad campaigns. The other thing I'm having issues with is that my $50 paid leads were shocked when they saw the $300 / month cost for RFS when they go to sign up.... (at the very end of the "funnel") People are having success with RFS, but they are a select few with developed lists of prospects from years of online marketing. That's fine, and most people within RFS... if you ask them, will tell you it's not for everyone. It certainly wasn't for me.... I don't have that kind of cash to lay out on "campaign testing" anymore. I'm out! Scott
Hey Scott,
WOW... that is a lot to spend on advertising at the beginning. My guess is that you probably searched google for places to advertise, then went wild by placing ads.
A more effective way to advertise online is to pick one thing, and stick with it until you start seeing results, or can at least track a few campaigns.
That is the great thing about the Reverse Funnel System, is that is offers such an amazing tracking feature for every campaign.
I personally have only spent about $200, but I have generated over 10 frontline sales with this opportunity.
Take some time to really study one method of advertising, and spend that time just promoting that one thing. Whether it be google adwords, banner advertising, video marketing, etc... just pick one.
I hope this helps, and good luck with your online advertising! Have a great day,
Ryan
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# Posted: 26 Oct 2007 13:13
Hi Ryan,
Has anyone seen the "Proven to Convert Ads" promised in the RFS sales letter? And have they found where the RFS will tell you "Exactly where to place those Ads?"
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