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PeterB
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 12:40
Hello there,
has anyone heard sommething about the Reverse Funnel System of Ty Coughlin?
Any experience or comments?
Regards, Peter
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moneyinmypocket
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 13:10
Hi Peter!
I have been with the RFS for a few months now. It is whats known as a "Funded Proposal"... a powerful lead generator for the Opportunities and Income streams we will be participating in as a team.
So, the RFS is NOT the opportunity, it's the System we use to help generate leads/market/close sales.
I hope this helps,
Terry
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PeterB
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 23:56
Hi Terry,
thanks for your reply!
Could you be a little more specific?
Regards, Peter
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# Posted: 6 Oct 2007 08:12 · Edited by: luvtravel
Hi ~Peter, basically, to answer your ques, GRN is the product, it is a Luxury resort travel membership, Reverse Funnel system is a marketing system that makes the offer, and weeds out the tire kickers.
Okay that's the simple explanation, to really see what it's all about you pay the $50, BUT if you don't want to continue you don't have to and you will receive a refund of your entire $50.
As Terry said it is called a funded proposal system, it is converting to sales for a lot of those who have joined, just advertise and feed the system and allow it to work in addition we have our team leaders who will talk to your clientfor you when necessary, there is so much expert training both in GRN and RFS and marketing advice and coaching from the cream of the crop!
When you get to my site, fill out the $50 application that way you can get all the info on the product and comp plan. basically you're getting a proven sales professional to do all your sales presentations 24/7, 365 ... and it's proven
to convert... plus so much more...
I haven't seen anything like it, we just heard one of our team members got a sale while she was on vacation in Prague!
People are getting sales that are newbies.
Hope that helped.
Terri
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# Posted: 15 Oct 2007 09:57
If anyone else has any questions about the RFS, reverse funnel system ask away!
There are other tools available to help, plus our great team support
is available.
Thank you
Terrie
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bizmentor
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 00:14
Having done RFS and other systems now within GRN, I am happy to share my personal experience as to which is best, the merits of each,etc. I can tell you this- don't go into RFS unless you have a chance to hear "the rest of the story". It is not for all, but the GRN product is a wonderful product and the comp plan is fabulous. Given the right team support and marketing this can change your life if you are willing to commit to it. I am certainly willing to commit to helping you.
To your success!
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 01:11
i just started a new buisness and im looking for some part time work, hopefully at home but there is so much out there and i came across an ad in the thrifty nickel for the ty coughlin rfs system i want to know if i need a specific product to sell or if its really going to take a lot of capitol to get started? im also really new to this internet marketing is this for me?
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 07:38
hairazorem , I sent you a PM to answer your questions.
But basically The product is GRN or Global resorts network, it is a travel memebership and RFS or reverse funnel system is a tool or a system that automates the sales of GRN.
Our team strongly beleives in training and support to all our team members, there are some who will complain against the RFS because they joined a team that didn't have support and training which is sad and that is why we do have a strong team spirit !Some claim they didnt make any money, that can be said for any system or tool no one can gurantee sales because I beleive I read that in this country its against the law to guarantee sales but the RFS system does automate the sales process which in turn helps the newbie and the experienced marketer.
Also we will never tell you that you will need to max out your credit card to get sales that to is just plain foolish talk and if someone tells you they heard that on a call or whatever we will give you a phone number to call and listen to the calls yourself! There are so many ways for a person to start by placing free ads and marketing if you google free advertising there are tons of them! Oh and our team will provide you with a free lead package to get you started!
To be able to sell a membership you need training, coaching and support and our team provides that whether a newbie to marketing or an experienced marketer the philosophy is the same give the member strong support and training, why because it benefits all of us because of our leveraged income payplan in GRN!
To ignore a team member and not give support would be foolish because the payplan alone in GRN supports a team effort and support!
Terrie
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bizmentor
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 10:46
Terri-
I am sorry if it irritates you that on RFS training calls they do in fact tell you to go and get out your credit card and place ads until they are maxed out- (without saying where to place them- just go experiment!) - but that is the simple truth. I was floored when I heard that also on the calls, and floored when I heard it repeated on other calls.
I agree team support is crucial- but when you do not even interview a prospective team member like RFS does not before they join, how can you possibly find a good "philosophy fit" on which to base a long term business relationship? With our team it is all about helping others grow their businesses deep- that takes personal involvement and a common philosophy. Simply put- the two philosophies are dramatically different. We provide sales to our downlines in addition to teaching them while we are providing sales how to go and develop their own sales. With RFS it is all on the individual to pay for and develop their own sales and marketing.
We also agree the GRN product is a wonderful product! And the Comp plan is killer!
Anyone considering the GRN opportunity feel free to pm or email me with your questions- I am happy to help you decide which path is best for you.
To your success!
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 14:06
My Post of the Day:
"Be Accountable for Everything In Your Life"
Rich people believe that they create their lives. Poor people believe that life happens to them.
If you want to be wealthy, you must believe that you're the one causing your success, mediocrity or struggle.
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# Posted: 17 Oct 2007 08:40
There are a lot of great advertising resources in the back to
choose from, free and paid, and while on the calls have
members place both, even ads as low as $2.00
It really depends on what your advertising budget is,
but the great thing with the reverse funnel system
is that you can see exactly where your ads are paying
off, everything is so perfectly tracked, there is no guess
work on what's working and what is not.
The quality of people you can attract with this is amazing
as well.
RFS may not be for everyone, but one needs to try for
themselves to know. If you seriously have an interest
in it, get your questions answered and then experience
it for yourself.
I would not let anyone's limited experience with it be
the judge if it's for you or not. There are too many success
stories to ignore, so the main focus should be, is this
a system that is right for you, right now.
It's perfectly ok to start GRN without it. If you like everything
you see in GRN, don't let anything hold you back on getting
started. Figure out if RFS is right for you afterwards.
It's open to everyone in GRN anyway.
I hope that assisted a few people, and if I can be of
further help, just let me know.
Kim Ward
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# Posted: 17 Oct 2007 14:20
Quoting: PeterB Hello there,has anyone heard sommething about the Reverse Funnel System of Ty Coughlin?Any experience or comments?
Here are my personal stats from the last month and a half.... I hope this helps:
$3,200 spent on marketing RFS = 5 paid $50 leads / NO Sales!
In my opinion, join a team that focuses more on marketing Global Resorts and not so much on RFS.... unless you have experience in internet marketing OR tons of money to throw at testing ad campaigns.
The other thing I'm having issues with is that my $50 paid leads were shocked when they saw the $300 / month cost for RFS when they go to sign up.... (at the very end of the "funnel")
People are having success with RFS, but they are a select few with developed lists of prospects from years of online marketing. That's fine, and most people within RFS... if you ask them, will tell you it's not for everyone.
It certainly wasn't for me.... I don't have that kind of cash to lay out on "campaign testing" anymore.
I'm out!
Scott
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2007 00:43
Scott, there are newbies and pro's making money
within the system, so although a large list is nice, it has
not been the case for the ones who are seeing results.
I started using it because of the kind of people it is
attracting, and I can say there is no need to spend 3k
to see results. There are so resources available, and
one can get with someone to help guide them according
to their budget. But you do have to be proactive in
your own business and learn to be resourceful.
Now, may we move away from telling others what team
to join while being negative of RFS? It is open to anyone
in the company, so there is really no need to continue
like this.
Thanks,
Kim
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2007 11:03
RFS has created their own negativity with overpromising and underdelivering, unfortunately.
It really is a shame. But even on their own conference calls you can sense it is not working for most from the frustration and comments by the members.
Again, it truly is a shame. There is a great product in Global Resorts Network and a great compensation plan. The good news is RFS is not the only way to take advantage of the great product and comp plan as there are other very viable alternatives.
There is a lesson to be learned here that applies to all phases of business. If you build your organization based on integrity you will prosper. Anything less will most certainly come back to haunt you.
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 10:31
Chad,
You raise a good point. The key to getting results in the reverse funnel system is to have a strong group of others to work with. It can be tough to get results doing anything without support.
The GRN product is good and the RFS system can generate success for people that have a strong team or support group to work with.
The $300 a month can be a bit overwhelming after the initial cost of $3,000.
Established internet marketers can hit the ground running but new members will have a tough time without support. Getting started in any business it easier when you can establish a presence. This does not happen overnight as we all know. That is why it is important to lay the ground work and establish a presence before expecting immediate results.
We are lucky that a lot of marketing with the reverse funnel can be done with web 2.0 stuff that can be free, but takes some time and effort. All of this is made easier when someone joins with a strong group that has co-op advertising and is willing and wanting to help.
If you get in the rfs and try to be self supporting, it will be a tough battle. A true RFS is when more than one person is trying to help others with success. How is this different than any other business? It's not.
RFS is not for everyone. No doubt about that but for those that have a strong network or have an established internet presence, it can be lucrative. If you don't have that then get with a strong group that provides help and guidance.
I am always open to any advertising or marketing ideas. Don't be afraid to join others in business. It can be the key to getting started or helping when things get tough. If you can get a productive SEO campaign and alternate income streams in place, the RFS can be put into place as the big ticket item that puts you over the top.
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 15:16
It's not cheap!
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 15:38
Quoting: bizmentor RFS has created their own negativity with overpromising and underdelivering, unfortunately. It really is a shame. But even on their own conference calls you can sense it is not working for most from the frustration and comments by the members. Again, it truly is a shame. There is a great product in Global Resorts Network and a great compensation plan. The good news is RFS is not the only way to take advantage of the great product and comp plan as there are other very viable alternatives. There is a lesson to be learned here that applies to all phases of business. If you build your organization based on integrity you will prosper. Anything less will most certainly come back to haunt you.
Chad, that is not true at all about people on the calls. In fact,
I have been watching people's progress in GRN, and I'm
hearing those speak up who never made a sale now doing
so with RFS.
Of course there are other options in GRN, but the thread is
to discuss RFS, not pitch people on them.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 15:40
doesn't matter what you say...its still not cheap!
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 15:45
Quoting: southbank63 It's not cheap!
Hi Southbank,
RFS may or may not be the way to go for someone
joining GRN, and that's ok. But, when marketing a high
ticket item, sometimes cheap is not the best option
though. 
I would like to add, there is a price to pay for financial
freedom, there is no such thing as a free lunch...things
to consider before joining any business, and if someone
promises you that, buyer beware.
With all that said, where there is a will there is a way is
also true, so each person needs to decide what is best
for them, and just get started, in GRN, RFS or anything
else for that matter.
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 15:47
Quoting: southbank63 doesn't matter what you say...its still not cheap!
Well, neither am I, and that's a good thing. 
Have a great Sunday,
Kim
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 17:03
Hi Kim
I'm sure you're not
All I meant really was that even if it is a good system.. and I have no reason to believe otherwise .. it is still maybe not something 'easy' for new marketers to get involved in... didnt mean to dis your thing just like you said 'caveat emptor'...
cheers
su
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 19:55
Quoting: kim_ward I can say there is no need to spend 3kto see results. There are so resources available, andone can get with someone to help guide them accordingto their budget.
This is exactly the problem I had with RFS.... the promise from Ty Coughlin is that "I will show you exactly what ads to place and where to place them." Well, that's not at all the case, in fact Ty Coughlin is 2 up from me and I have never heard from him once. My direct sponsor I heard from only one time... he wanted to make sure my credit card payment was submitted. Haven't heard from him since. What you get are some banner ads and a list of websites you can buy advertising on.
I do have to say that the back office is pretty detailed and good for keeping track of which ads are working and which ones are not, but most of the other features I find to be great for the experienced marketer. Not to say that eventually these tools wouldn't come in handy, just that it would take time for a newer person to grasp.
So, I would say that RFS is no different from anything else if you don't have support from your sponsor and upline. Unless you have a current list to market to you'll more than likely struggle a bit at first... nothing wrong with that if you can afford to test, test and test... until you get results.
With GRN's comp plan it makes all the sense in the world to support your downline all you can. I can't, for the life of me figure out how someone could sign up a new affiliate, make their $1,000 and then never lend any support what-so-ever. I don't get it!
If you're thinking of joining RFS... do your due diligence first... I wish I had. Nobody's fault but my own.
Scott
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2007 23:08
Scott,
You are correct. It is a darn shame that you do not feel like you got the support you needed to make an impact. I have been VERY lucky because I have found plenty of people to help, when I have asked. I also like the test, test, and test theory. I must have just found a cheaper way to do it, because I have not spent more than $1,000. in marketing or web stuff. I have put a lot of time and learing into t. Still trying to get the whole blogging thing! LOL!
I like guidance but I enjoy the creativity even more. In the end it is MY business and I have found or created enough resources to be productive. I also pass along this informtion and exchange ideas with others. Not just the one's in my group but with people from other teams.
Wish you the best! I know RFS is not for everyone but there is no reason why people should not help each other. Best wishes to all and if you choose to get in on the reverse funnel system and feel you need some ideas or just a few place to advertise, email me. I am always willing to help RFS people with advertising and marketing. In the end it is their business and it is up to them to do the work. I just don't think that people should have to do it alone.
This is a great business for people that already have a presence on the web or experience in online marketing. For the new people, it is important to advertise and market as much as possible while spending as little as possible. That can be tricky so many of us do what we can to help. That is why we have TrueRFS, to make sure we stay true to ourselves and each other. It's a partnership and I want my partners to be succesful and in turn I stay succesful.
Stirling
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 01:30 · Edited by: bizmentor
you are right, Scott- the key is to do your due diligence. I happen to have had a horrible experience with the RFS - but it did lead me to a wonderful product in the Global Resorts Network product and compensation plan. I would hate for many to do as I have and have to go to two memberships in order to see the vast difference in the RFS vs. other marketing systems and strategies out there.
So, Kim, I guess this is where we respectfully disagree. I want for people to learn from people's experience like Scott and I had where the RFS was overpromised and underdelivered and simply for the few at the top and realize with this compensation plan the way to true and lasting income is to go deep and with integrity by helping your downline succeed and you will reap the rewards, exponentially! (How can you do that if you never even know what the needs of your downline are until they join- if your $$$$$'s of marketing dollars ever even put someone in your downline- which mine never did!) As for me, I find it much more rewarding helping people succeed, and with this comp plan, that philosophy pays off to those that help others succeed! Those like minded individuals are who I want to help!
Oh, and being able to guarantee some initial sales does not hurt either! (contact me for details, we realize for any network marketer the initial capital outlay needs to be returned asap to start making money!)
To all of your success! Chad
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# Posted: 22 Oct 2007 18:22
Good post Chad! I will keep helping my partners in the reverse funnel system because that is what will ensure my own success. It's called "doing the right thing" and too many people get involved and just look at others as a sale. Each person that joins with me is a partner and I want them to have the same resources and input that I have. It's about integrity. Seems to be lost at times when people hide behind the computer.
Good for you! Hope you keep helping others.
Stirling
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 01:08 · Edited by: bizmentor
I have a question for you, True. If this is your mindset and philosophy how do you think the absent approach of the RFS is the way to go? I will be honest, I did not know this when I went that direction, and when I figured it out I left- asap. I simply do not have it in me to sell any opportunity knowing the "product" that was presented is overpromised.
I know that the GRN product is very strong. I know the pay plan is killer if you will have the discipline to grow deep. What I could not reconcile is the lack of , let's call it "delivery" of what was promised to me in the "sales cycle" of RFS.
I can tell you this- I have people daily who are with RFS who are realizing the same thing I did and they are contacting us and are moving over to a team that has different values- and that is not meant as any sales ploy, whatsoever.
In fact, I do not ever, ever sell the concept. I present the facts and fill people's needs. The missing link with RFS is noone even knows the needs of their prospects that are looking for an answer. Personally, I just not find that to be a viable business model or in keeping with my value system.
Chad
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 03:59 · Edited by: RealityBytes
Hi, I'm new here, I actrually found this place because I'm looking for further information specifically on Global Resorts Network and RFS.
Here is my take so far... I was in on a 'marketing call' from RFS (that I wasn't supposed to hear apparently - a couple callers said they hadn't signed up yet and had questions, and Ty told them they should listen to the testimonial call instead, the next morning), and I was somewhat taken aback by the claim by Ty himself that he "doesn't understand the system itself, it just makes money". I looked on his site and a few others but couldn't find specifics on either the product (I did eventually, but it wasn't easy) or the specifics of the compensation (until I followed a link that I found here actually!).
After following those links, however, I definitely WAS impressed, by both the product and the plan... but I still don't know which part of the "System" is from GRN and which part is RFS. But it doesn't matter really, because after watching the plan video at GRN, I can see it definitely is NOT a pyramid scheme!
But I think the people are still important that you sign on with, and although Ty may be a fine gentleman, I'm not entirely comfortable with the answer "don't try to understand it, trust me it works".
On top of that, when I did listen to the testimonials call the next morning, I'm pretty sure I recognized the voice of Doug Wellen, (Ty's partner?) as sounding a lot like Don LaPre, who has a pretty distinctive voice (you know, the guy from the 'Making Money Secrets' infomercials 5 or 10 years back?). I am not claiming that it is definitely him, because I don't know for sure - does anyone else know?
In any event, I do plan to sign up with GRN but I don't know if RFS is the right path (and I don't have the requisite $3k at the moment either, but soon will...)
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 07:54
Chad, one cannot move over to another team, it's
against GRN rules. Trust me, we have people from
other teams call all the time that want to join team
AFL, and although we'd love to have them, we cannot
just move them in, it's unethical.
As many who are in RFS know, the support in RFS is
incredible. One even has access to Ty on the calls if they'd
like.
So, if one needs support, and they cannot get a hold of
their sponsor, all they need to do is come to the calls
and they'll get it.
I believe in supporting people 100%, but to put blame
on one's sponsor when they have access to all this
help, even from Ty himself, is just not taking responsibility
for one's success.
So I ask, who would you rather associate with, people who
take the bull by the horns, or people who lead you to
believe their failure is someone else's fault?
Cheers,
Kim
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 08:21
Quoting: RealityBytes Hi, I'm new here, I actrually found this place because I'm looking for further information specifically on Global Resorts Network and RFS. Here is my take so far... I was in on a 'marketing call' from RFS (that I wasn't supposed to hear apparently - a couple callers said they hadn't signed up yet and had questions, and Ty told them they should listen to the testimonial call instead, the next morning), and I was somewhat taken aback by the claim by Ty himself that he "doesn't understand the system itself, it just makes money". I looked on his site and a few others but couldn't find specifics on either the product (I did eventually, but it wasn't easy) or the specifics of the compensation (until I followed a link that I found here actually!). After following those links, however, I definitely WAS impressed, by both the product and the plan... but I still don't know which part of the "System" is from GRN and which part is RFS. But it doesn't matter really, because after watching the plan video at GRN, I can see it definitely is NOT a pyramid scheme! But I think the people are still important that you sign on with, and although Ty may be a fine gentleman, I'm not entirely comfortable with the answer "don't try to understand it, trust me it works". On top of that, when I did listen to the testimonials call the next morning, I'm pretty sure I recognized the voice of Doug Wellen, (Ty's partner?) as sounding a lot like Don LaPre, who has a pretty distinctive voice (you know, the guy from the 'Making Money Secrets' infomercials 5 or 10 years back?). I am not claiming that it is definitely him, because I don't know for sure - does anyone else know? In any event, I do plan to sign up with GRN but I don't know if RFS is the right path (and I don't have the requisite $3k at the moment either, but soon will...)
Hi RB, welcome to the forum. First I can say that is not Don,
but Doug does have as much energy...lol
I think you may have misunderstood Ty. He does understand
how the system works, but maybe he meant sometimes
we do not know something works.
The physcology in marketing can be complex, so maybe it
was just easier to have the new people listen to a call, not
sure, I was not there.
One can come in as a Gold or Platinum GRN member to use
the RFS.
RFS is a system used to sell GRN, created by a team in
Global Resorts called the inner circle. GRN did not help
put this system together, but GRN does offer other
systems to use.
You may just want to join GRN, test out a few systems
first, then decide if you want to add RFS after that.
Hope that helps,
Kim
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# Posted: 23 Oct 2007 08:39
Hi Stirling,
Were you on the call last night where that person
who was in for 6 days...has spent $50.00 in
advertising already made a sale!
I think the is the best RFS story yet, and goes to show
results will vary...as they always do in marketing.
Cheers,
Kim
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