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jvco
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2007 05:22
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I'm sorry if I came across in the wrong way. I'm glad your having success. I have been burned by people who go to these forums and just are there to scam people. They have really gotting sophisticated with the way they lure people in. I'm not saying your one, but you have to be very careful out here in web world. I too have struggled lately. I lost my high paying job Oct. 5th and have been all over the internet and searched high and low for something that I can do to provide for my family. I've tried differant things but none of them have panned out. Most require you to keep forking out money for ads or product or whatever. Isn't there a something that really works that doesn't require a ton of money? Or computer experience?
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 28 Nov 2007 06:43
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Quoting: jvco I lost my high paying job Oct. 5th and have been all over the internet and searched high and low for something that I can do to provide for my family. I've tried differant things but none of them have panned out.
jvco, I appreciate your honesty. I too found it hard to believe Marv was so new at this. I have investigated as best as I can and found no reason to not believe what he says. His obvious computer savvy explains a lot of things along that line.
Like you, I am in a stressful financial situation and am SERIOUSLY investigating this online business thing so many people claim to be so successful with.
I don't know for sure at this point. EVERYONE could be lying, wherever necessary, in an attempt to gain whatever sales they can before disappearing into the internet netherworld until their next online venture.
I really hope I can find something that can truly generate a decent cash flow. I don't need anywhere NEAR the $1,000 per MINUTE, people claim to be earning daily either.
Just a modestly profitable venture that I can actualize.
Like you though, I am not one to recoil from calling it like I see it.
I hope people like you and I, who are seriously looking for an affordable online venture that the regular newbie can make profitable, can be successful as a result of our efforts, and actually find something we can believe in.
If we network together, honestly and unflinchingly asking questions, seeking and SHARING information, maybe we can make sense of things.
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teydean
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# Posted: 1 Dec 2007 05:05
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I hope you guys don't mind me getting in on the conversation. 
First of all, this whole internet marketing thing takes a lot of time and effort. Especially if you're just starting out. I've noticed that most people who are searching for a way to make money online are struggling financially and don't realize that you may have to spend more money to make money. (After you've already joined a business or purchased some money making product)
Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of free ways to promote your business, but it takes more time and effort than the average person is willing to do. That's why people run to these programs that "CLAIM" to be completely automated, on rotators, or whatever they're saying now days. While some may be true, you're probably only going to get one sale every 2 months and that won't change your financial situation. You have to actually put in the leg work if you want that life changing income.
I'm a member of one of the "BIG TICKET" programs and made some good money, but I won't promote it anymore because it's too hard for the average person to start generating an income. They spend most of their money joining the program and don't have anything left to promote it. So now I only promote affordable programs that people can build on and eventually move up to bigger and better things.
I could go on and on.....but I think I'll shut up now because I'm getting off topic.
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AppealMarketing
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2007 14:50
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Hey jvco,
You've found it, 2020 doesn't require alot of money to make sales, you trade your time for money, by consistently and persistently placing ads in free to low cost advertising sources. $10 pro memberships in a few of the web based safelists will do wonders, but you have to be creative with your subject lines and ad copy. I keep saying this over and over, but it's true, a html designed ad will out produce a plain text ad everyday of the week. Baisc html is all you need along with a free ewisoft website builder to put together your ad and to see changes in WYSIWYG real time. Go to my first site below and look for web hosting at top left links, you can get a free download of the ewisoft website builder there, I use the paid version, so i don't know what limitations the free version has, but it should do the job to create a nice html ad for you. Basic html knowledge is available free on the internet, just google: html tutorials and click on w3schools link. I hope this helps.
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girlwork
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# Posted: 2 Dec 2007 15:57
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Marv, I just join 2020Unlimited under you..what happy next. Am I gonna receive email? All I did it's pay fees and I didn't even enter any email address or anything like that when I sign up? Am I doing it right??
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AppealMarketing
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# Posted: 4 Dec 2007 15:13
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Hi girlwork,
This has already been taken care of offline. The signup procedure is as follows:
1) make payment #1 of $20 to your direct sponsor, then hit return to merchant
2) make payment #2 of $20 to your sponsor's, sponsor, then hit return to merchant
3) make a $9.99 payment to 2020unlimited, hit return to merchant
4) fill out registration form
5) site's are built by hand, can take up to 24hrs to be ready, you will receive an email from 2020unlimited when site is ready, with your links to your site and members area.
I hope this helps.
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maricel
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 17:40
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Hi Marv,
Still doing well I see, well done. Would you care to share your results from the search post mailings, what on average do you expect by way of click through. I purchased the US targetted mailing that you recommended using the html ad that you kindly created for me, 1 1/2 days later according to clickaudit the ad had produced 13 hits to the site!!!!!. Even for a cheapo $50 mailing this is pretty poor, just wondered if you were getting similar results.
Regards
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 21:50
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Quoting: teydean I've noticed that most people who are searching for a way to make money online are struggling financially and don't realize that you may have to spend more money to make money. (After you've already joined a business or purchased some money making product)
YES teydean.
This is the question I always ask and seldom get an answer to:
How much cost (in time and money) does a particular online money making venture require.
It's a simple question few promoters are willing to be completely honest about!
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mikepressnell
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2007 21:55
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I know someone else that feels just like you do.
Quoting: teydean I'm a member of one of the "BIG TICKET" programs and made some good money, but I won't promote it anymore because it's too hard for the average person to start generating an income. They spend most of their money joining the program and don't have anything left to promote it. So now I only promote affordable programs that people can build on and eventually move up to bigger and better things.
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fortuna654
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2007 04:17
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Be wary of this scheme. I've just had my PayPal account 'permanently limited' because apparently using 2020unlimited violates their Acceptable Usage Policy. This means I am banned from PayPal for life! No warning, no appeal. I've been with PayPal for 4 years, on eBay for 8 and this has basically stuffed my eBay buying and selling as well as several PayPal subscriptions I have.
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maricel
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 07:48 · Edited by: maricel
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Perhaps Marv would comment on this as he is pretty friendly with the owner. Incidentally both the owner and Marv have also had thier paypal accounts limited.
Fortuna can you explain what it is you did to attract Paypals attention or was it just a random ban?
I must say this little ptogramme is pretty incidental to the other things that I use Paypal for, if I lose my account I will be a lot less than happy.
Regards
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 11:27
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Quoting: fortuna654 Be wary of this scheme. I've just had my PayPal account 'permanently limited' because apparently using 2020unlimited violates their Acceptable Usage Policy. This means I am banned from PayPal for life! No warning, no appeal.
THE SAME THING JUST HAPPENED TO ME TODAY!!!
NO WARNING!!
This is also the fault of PAYPAL as far as I am concerned.
Why they can't give you a warning is beyond me!
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jvco
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 12:53
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My pay pal was hit too. John at 2020unlimited has alot of explaining to do. I wonder if this is why I have'nt recieved any payments from other programs lately like I have been. Will this effect our payments received also? I think everyone needs to individually send John At 2020unlimited a E_MAIL with these concerns. Read my postings previous to this one and see if I was right or not about this opportunity.
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girlwork
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 14:39
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This is so unfair. I just sign up with 2020. Does anyone know how do I cancel the account with them.
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AppealMarketing
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 14:46
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I have spoken to John at 2020, apparently someone accused a 2020 member of spamming and sent emails to 2020 & paypal, hence paypal taking action. I also had income4beginners, paysforever & 6by6million listed as being in violation too in the same email, I personally cannot see how any of them could be considered to be against their acceptable use policy. You would have to ban every single money making opportunity on the net, maybe that's what they will eventually do. I just signed up for google checkout and have integrated it into my 6by6million, I4B and paysforever programs. John is working on obtaining a new payment processor for 2020, so 2020 is not dead, just temporarily down. I suggest everyone should obtain other payment sources, I already had Alertpay & e-gold and just added google, which means my customers can pay with a credit card. I also just joined Super Eden, you do not accept payments directly, the company does this for you and they accept many different forms of payment. I will NOT let paypal put me out of business!! You shouldn't either.
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maricel
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 15:23
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Maybe this has something to do with the volume of receipts that you get through Paypal, if you are just receiving money then they are more likely to put a hold on your account, if you have a balance between paying and receiving then you are probably going to be ok
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jvco
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 15:49
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Marv, I Read on another forum that e-gold has filed bancruptcy. You may want to check into it and get your money out. Thats all the members were talking about last night.
Why can't we go back to old credit card systems?
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AppealMarketing
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 15:53
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Hi jvco,
Good thing I don't have anything in there!! Although I received a payment a few days ago and sent money back out. Google checkout will let your customers pay with a credit card.
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maricel
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 18:59
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Never really got the idea of e gold ebullion etc, so left them alone looks like a good move.
Problem with Google checkout is where I live I get charged an extra �1.50 ($3.00 to you) per transaction by my bank for an overseas transaction. This makes it very expensive for small purchases.
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 9 Dec 2007 19:38
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Contact paypal by phone during customer service hours.
Don't listen to the computer telephone 'operator', just repeat AGENT over and over again - otherwise, you'll just be hung up on anyway.
At least that was my experience dealing with that damn 'robo-operator'.
Give the agent a POLITE piece of your mind.
Get the name of the person you talked to on the phone and then send paypal an email describing the issue - [email protected]
Offer to strike the offending website from your paypal account, AFTER you explain to them (politely) how off base they are!
That's what I did.
I was promised on the phone by RICK, that a response would be forthcoming in 24 - 48 hours.
(we'll see!!)
It ought to at LEAST give the paypal people something else to do with their time other than shutting down people's accounts without warning or notice!
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fortuna654
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 04:48 · Edited by: fortuna654
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I didn't do anything. Haven't even made my $50 back yet 
Checking. I think that PayPal just went through every 2020 page shutting one after another down.
7 yrs with eBay and 4 with PayPal completely screwed. I could understand it if I was breaking the law, but it appears to be a violation of PayPal's 'ethical' code. I think an unwarned permanent ban is a bit harsh.
It's nice of Marv to recommend other payment options, but I'm not in the US, so PayPal is pretty much it.
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jvco
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 09:02
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I demand a refund from John at 2020unlimited!!! And should you.
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 09:05
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Quoting: fortuna654 7 yrs with eBay and 4 with PayPal completely screwed. I could understand it if I was breaking the law, but it appears to be a violation of PayPal's 'ethical' code. I think an unwarned permanent ban is a bit harsh.
Yes fortuna654, this is insanely ridiculous!
I just got a reply from paypal to my attempts to reason with them.
They are intransigent!
I sent them a reply asking them to reconsider but I doubt if that will actually work.
MAYBE if enough people write and complain, they will behave more reasonably.
They ARE losing money after all by canceling peoples accounts left and right.
I also plan to discuss things with the support team of ANY pay plan I get involved with BEFORE doing business with them.
Not only to prevent any problems but to offer them a competitive edge in letting them know how unreasonable and foolish paypal is in this matter - they are losing customers for no good reason!!!
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jvco
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 09:13
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The sad thing is All 4 of my other business I do online only take Paypal. Man I just got burned by 2020 big time. Marv, can you e-mail me his #. I need an explaination from him and a refund.
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 09:18
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Quoting: AppealMarketing I have spoken to John at 2020, apparently someone accused a 2020 member of spamming and sent emails to 2020 & paypal, hence paypal taking action. I also had income4beginners, paysforever & 6by6million listed as being in violation too in the same email, I personally cannot see how any of them could be considered to be against their acceptable use policy.
Paypal is just being stupidly unreasonable.
If they make such a move based on one person's accusation, that is stupid.
Such an accusation/response doesn't explain why they would take this action on people promoting other websites though.
Nobody COULD be expected to see how these sites or MOST sites would be against their stupid 'acceptable use policy'.
I propose we ALL email the heck out of them on this matter.
Spread the word on paypal wherever possible.
And get right out there and do business with other pay plans, but EXPLAIN to the support centers about the problems paypal has been giving its customers to avoid such problems in the future.
Let the entire internet WORLD know how unreasonable paypal is.
How they mistreat their customers!
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jvco
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 09:46
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I wonder if this was the reason I haven't made 1 dime with 2020 yet. Iv'e been submitting with 7 safelists,ran ads, solo ads, free ads. Changed the subject lines, Used html and text. I am not seeing any results with 2020 at all. Is anyone else seeing results?????
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 10:05
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VISIT THIS SITE!: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp
Please everyone, google 'PAYPAL permanently limited', PAYPAL CLASS ACTION SUIT, Paypal horror stories. etc.
Apparently there is a class action suit that was settled against paypal and those who qualify can get part of a 5.8million dollar settlement.
Not much, apparently $9 taxable(!) dollars but possibly 'up to $50':
"Under the terms of the settlement, anyone who had a PayPal account from October 1, 1999 to January 31, 2004 can receive up to $50 by filing a short form"
There are a LOT of horror stories about paypal on the web.
Of course some of those too may be scams but, if people google 'PAYPAL horror stories' etc. and SHARE their results we might get some relief from all of this.
I don't intend to waste any more time trying to reason with paypal - I am certainly going to get right back in business with a more reputable and reasonable payment site asap - IF such a pay plan site even exists!
But in the name of fairness and liberty, we should all do SOMETHING about paypal's tyranny as well!
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 10:16
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PAYPAL APPEAL
I just got an email from paypal.
They are offering me an appeal:
To appeal the limitation on your account, you will need to:
1. Remove PayPal as a payment option, as well as all references to PayPal,
including the PayPal logo and/or shopping cart, from your website(s)... and,
2. Submit the online Acceptable Use Policy affidavit.
I don't have time for this right now but I will get back to this issue later and share my results with those who are interested.
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jvco
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 10:59
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Quick question TJamMoneyMan? Have you made money yet with 2020unlimited? or the others?
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 10 Dec 2007 11:53
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no money from 2020u.
I have gotten 4 sales ($22.12 after paypal fees) from 6x6million using Marv Dorns $15 advertising plan.
I haven't gotten around to peddling my I4B site yet.
I haven't tried to promote 2020u because I haven't had any proof that the 'effortless' payout scheme is for real. I can't promote something in good faith if I don't believe in it.
I have asked for proof but not gotten any I can rely on as being accurate.
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