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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 15 Nov 2007 03:35
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AND, you are number 119 Maricel,
I WISH YOU HAD JOINED UP UNDER ME!!
(number 114).
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infogiver
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# Posted: 15 Nov 2007 17:23
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I've been following your posts. It seems the owner of 2020unlimited
also runs benpals.com. There, he also makes a guarantee that the system will do all the work, implying you will get traffic and income just by joining.
I was considering joining 20x20 unlimited and would have actively promoted it, but, I don't appreciate the possibilty that this so called "guarantee" may be being used simply to entice others who wouldn't otherwise join.
Glad I saw your post before I spent my money.
Thanks.
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 15 Nov 2007 19:29
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Hell,
I wish ANYONE had joined up under me!!
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AppealMarketing
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2007 15:21
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You guys are really off the mark, I sat down last night and reread the entire webpage. The rotator system is barely mentioned, what is mentioned is that promoting your business is the best way to bring in members, will make you and your customers money. This is a help your group type program, believe me I give my group all the help that they ask for. Came up with the co-op ad program, that saw our group grow from 9 members to 88 members in 3 weeks. If you want to get rich quick, you would have to look elsewhere, this is a great program and you can slowly build your business and optionally add residual income to it also. So I think infogiver you haven't really understood what this business is all about, I hope I helped clear it up for you and others reading this forum thread.
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jwess
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2007 23:25
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Hello everyone!
I am just responding to a couple of comments of late. First off, 20/20 does rotate ads for members--there are no guarantees, though!
I just got an email from a potential new signup (originating from the 20/20 sponsored rotation, booster pack #3) asking, of all things, can he signup and get money without any effort on his part? Sure, and you will get to see a solar eclipse (eventually) if you stand in the same spot for 300 years...guaranteed! Problem is, if you are like most of us, you won't live that long! OK, maybe I exaggerate, after all I'm already getting interested people responding to "my" ads (through 20/20's ad placement).
The point is, time does not stop, and you can make a little money sitting around theorizing, but to make a lot of money you have to hustle, and you have to do it now to make money two weeks or a month or six months or a year from now! Doesn't matter what program we're talking about...the more & smarter you work, the more you earn...eventually. Ancient Chinese proverb: The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
Plan your work & work your plan. It amazes me to see adult people actually looking for money without effort. Put yourself in your customers' shoes: What makes people want to buy? Now, what will make them want to buy from you? The fact that you're sitting in front of your computer thinking about money? If that's what you think, well, best wishes & lotsa' luck!
$20 is not a lot of money, neither is $40, and neither is $100. If you're Bill Gates, $1,000,000 is not much money, either. If I knew exactly how I could invest $1,000,000 (which I don't have...yet) and make 50%, or even 20% in a couple of months' time, you can bet I'd find a way to borrow the money right away so I could, quick, claim my $200-500K! Or would I? My point is simply to think in terms of abundance, not scarcity; and think in terms of investment (which entails some risk) and eventual return. Risk is not fun...that's why it's called risk...you know, 'cause it's, well, (for lack of a better word) risky. :)))
Just in case you think I'm full of it, while there may not be a way to leverage $1,000,000 as described above, surely most folks here could think of a dozen or so ways to leverage a $1000 investment to score a few hundred bucks' profit in a few weeks. Just think rationally about it & you will see what I mean.... Hey, wait! Maybe you could do something similar with that $1,000,000 after all. Hmmm.... :))))))
If you have the stomach for it...you surely could, indeed. So could I, if I had the guts.
As far as searchpost.net is concerned, there's some stuff there--lotsa' links--but it looks rather arbitragish to me...I really can't make much of what I see when I visit, and I really can't motivate myself to try, as I've checked there twice already. Kind of reminds me of when I tried to buy a cell phone from this guy on Ebay & he wouldn't update his PayPal address & then acted mystified when I told him I would take my dollars elsewhere...but that's another story.
Great work, Double-Oh-Six, at generating significant interest in 20/20--only wish I were signed up under you. I guess I'll have to make sure as many people as possible sign up under me so I can offer them great ad co-op's and other cool stuff.
And BTW, in MHO, that's what every 20/20 member should do for their own signups, including (maybe even especially) those who are upset because the company isn't doing it to their satisfaction and their sponsors aren't doing it at all!
My Best To You All!
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 00:26
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Quoting: jwess It amazes me to see adult people actually looking for money without effort.
Read the 2020 ad. That's what it says: "A SIMPLE Program Creates ENDLESS, EFFORTLESS $20 Instant Payments!", " Earn Without Effort!", "Do I Have To Advertise Or Recruit New Members?
No."
and,
SEARCHPOST.NET is DEAD, MORTE, FINITO, DEEP SIXED, KAPUT, S**T CANNED, OWTA HERE, KABLOOIE, DONE...
My question is about the rotation system:
"We Receive Tons Of Targeted Internet Buyer Traffic Every Day. We
Direct All Of This Traffic To www.2020unlimited.com. When Someone Decides To
Join And Clicks On The "Join" Button, They Are Taken To One Of Our Member's
Payment Pages! This System Works On A Rotation Basis,"
I understand the concept, but for whom has this actually worked?
Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not upset with my 2020 "for not doing", my issue is with the advertising. My question has been "who has benefited from the rotation plan"?
If the rotation program actually happened to me, 2 times in a year even, I could sell the program, just based on that. Vigorusly and HONESTLY.
And I think it would sell too. IF the rotation plan actually worked.
I am not saying the rotation plan does NOT work. Only that it hasn't worked for me, and I can't imagine it working when there were less than 10 members two months ago.
That the majority of it's current membership was gotten through promotional EFFORT.
If the rotation plan works now, then again what I am asking is, FOR WHOM?
I personally, am not upset with my sponsor. Even though his or her email address is deader than SEARCHPOST, and he/she has not contacted me since I joined.
I am surprised.
In a quandary as to why my sponsor wouldn't be trying to earn all this money to be had, by helping his downline develop.
Then again, I guess he is looking for that $20 payment, "without effort".
And I can't blame him/her for that.
That's what the program advertises.
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 00:39
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Wow jwess, I sure wish you were directly under me, GREAT post, you said it much better than I could ever say it!!! You also understand this business and what it's all about, helping each other. The way you said Double-Oh-Six, makes me wish I was 007  Just a quick update before I hit the sack (my son has an early morning hockey game), I have 39 personal sales and my group has 57 sales for a grand total of 96 sales!!! Should hit the 100 mark by Monday at the latest. Good night all, and once again jwess, thank you for the super post!!!
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 00:43
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Quoting: jwess I just got an email from a potential new signup (originating from the 20/20 sponsored rotation, booster pack #3) asking, of all things, can he signup and get money without any effort on his part?
Now where did this "potential new signup" get such an idea
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TJamMoneyMan
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 00:51
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Quoting: jwess $20 is not a lot of money, neither is $40, and neither is $100. If you're Bill Gates, $1,000,000 is not much money
If you are down and out, hungry or in need, $20 is indeed a great sum of money.
For me, $20 can go quite a ways.
$100 and I am good for a week.
Especially if I don't have to leave my house to earn it!
These are not large sums, but they are significant in this way to me, given my current situation.
It's all relative.
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 00:58
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Quoting: jwess surely most folks here could think of a dozen or so ways to leverage a $1000 investment to score a few hundred bucks' profit in a few weeks.
I would love to hear of a LEGAL way to do that.
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 01:24
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correction:
SEARCHPOST.NET, is indeed alive (i think). But the sponsored solo email link is dead.
I joined and got to the solo ad offer this way as a result.
http://www.spwebsale.com/solo-ad.htm
Of course that's SPwebsale.com
i don't know what happened over the last few days but,
my previous searchpost.net GOOGLE searches indeed led me to a "this site may be for sale" page.
I was sober too!
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 14:26
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On the positive side with 2020, I guess I'll just have to wait until this 'rotator' idea materializes.
I can believe in the concept as a possibility for the future.
But it seems to me it SHOULD be working now.
(not that i think i am due for a payout after only 7 days!)
Any 'no effort' payouts received anyone?
Perhaps with the EFFORTS of hard working web promoters like Marv, 2020 will be so big one day, that the rotator plan actually begins to pay.
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 17:19
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Hey TJam,
I think you're right 'on the money' with your last post--membership will grow as a direct result of the marketing efforts of 20/20 and its members. As they (we) reap, thus will they (we) sow.... I know that all of us, especially the owner(s) of 20/20, look forward to the day when membership hits 1000, then 2000, and so on!
One perfectly legal way to make way more than 20% in one day (but not on 'just any day') is holiday flower sales. The vendors you see on the corners on Mothers' Day are easily quadrupling their cash investment. Why don't more people do it, then? Lots of reasons: having to stand outside all day regardless of the weather, being embarrassed at having to 'do that' for money, not planning ahead & taking the risk of pulling the permits & buying inventory, etc.... But those who do it laugh all the way to the bank, at the end of the day. That's just one way off the top of my head, and there are a plethora of ultra-small-business idea lists floating around online & at bookstores, for those who are willing to take a good, lucrative idea and run with it! (I think I'm straying off topic here... perhaps any continuation of this subject might be better conducted elsewhere!)
Anyway, thanks for all the corrections and food for thought!--I look forward to hearing of your marketing successes (& challenges). I will keep all here informed of mine, as well.
Ditto To You, Double-Oh!--
--wish I were under your expert wings. And thanks for the kudos... much appreciated! As I think (my CRS is kicking in again) I've indicated before, your efforts here are of inestimable value.
Now I have to go work on my campaigns, or they simply won't get done!
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2007 20:43
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Quoting: jwess One perfectly legal way to make way more than 20% in one day (but not on 'just any day') is holiday flower sales.
Maybe I misunderstood you. You used the term 'leverage'. I was thinking this was referring to a strictly CASH investment. You know, providing capital to a venture, in exchange for a percentage of the profits.
Such is my ONLY issue with 20/20u. It is presented as an effortless investment of cash that will produce a profit.
That I still believe can possibly be true one day.
Has this day come yet?
Has the rotator actually produced a sale?
I await the experience of even one individual (especially myself!!) to validate that.
Good luck to you JW, and MM (marvelous marv), and ALL 2020u promoters, that you may make that day happen soon!
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# Posted: 20 Nov 2007 03:11
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Tjam and others - Everytime I make a personal sale, one person in my groups rotator will receive the #2 payment, I have verified this with 5 of my direct customers. Since I have no sponsor - meaning I was probably the first person to signup for 2020. And Mike in San Francisco (direct customer) received a #2 payment from a person that I did not make a sale to, proving that there is a rotator in place and that it is indeed working. I just spoke to Mike this evening, because he wanted to see if his latest sale was from myself. Just a quick side note, my group has officially eclipsed the century mark!!! Latest total looking like 39 personal sales + 68 group sales = 107 TOTAL SALES!! Thanksgiving hasn't slowed the group down one bit, good work ladies and gentlemen. As far as making a couple hundreds profit out of $1,000 investment, I made a $49.99 investment into 2020 and have grossed over $2200, I consider that to be a heck of an investment!! Time to say good night all.
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# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 22:36
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Hope everyone (in the US) had a very nice Thanksgiving Holiday!! Sales still came in on Thanksgiving, which surprised me a little bit. Just a quick update, Grand Total of 116 sales, of which 75 were group sales (great job all!!) and 41 personal sales. I hope you didn't have to deal with "Black Friday", you wouldn't catch me at the mall today!
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 03:11
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Quoting: AppealMarketing Grand Total of 116 sales, of which 75 were group sales (great job all!!) and 41 personal sales.
What is a group sale?
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 03:19
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Hi TJam,
What I call a group sale is a sale made by one of my direct customers, meaning that I receive the #2 payment (my direct customer would receive the #1 payment). So I have made 116 x $20 instant payments personally. Thanks for the question, your question has probably helped clear this term for many others!!
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 06:37
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Quoting: AppealMarketing Thanks for the question, your question has probably helped clear this term for many others!!
Don't start thanking me for questions!!
You told me that Mike, member #46, received one of those "effortless" payouts.
My NEXT question concerns the payout priority.
Does that have anything to do with the member's number?
Like the next person receiving a payout would be #47 for example?
I sure hope it isn't a random payout like a lottery!
(haven't won one of those since the '70's!)
It would be good to clarify this.
(you're welcome!)
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 12:14
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I joined 20/20 as well and all the researh I've done it seems that the only one making money with this is Marv Dorn. I talked to my sponser on the phone and he says he has made about a $100 in 2 weeks. Then he told me he signed up his wife, 2 sons and his father. I guess we know where the $100 came from. It certainly wasn't from the rotator.
Marv, Let's be straight with people. How much have you really spent on promoting and how much have you really made? If you do the number of signups which is less than 200 hundred and your team is doing 70% then you can't hype the answer here.
Tell me Marv, Why is the Owner/Founder so secretive that he doesn't give his phone number so people can talk to him. IT seems to me if this is such a great thing and he would wanted to build a huge company then he would want to help people.
This is what I see.....
1.The founder making his quick buck
2. Marv Dorn the only one making money
3.No one else sharing their success
4. Hmmmmmmm
another thing that was writing is that Marv has only a few months internet marketing experience....Yeh right!
Am I the only one seeing this??????
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 17:14
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Hi TJam,
It is not sequential, it is a random weighted rotator, meaning a regular member has a weighted level of 2, where someone who has purchased booster pack #3 has a weighted level of 5, they would have a better chance of getting a rotator sale than the non-booster pack member. But remember, it is random, that's why the NBA team with more chances in the player lottery doesn't always win the #1 spot. I hope this clears it up.
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 17:32
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Well I guess that explains why I didn't make the NBA 1st round draft pick!
(If the New York Knicks don't want me, I won't go!)
I'll be looking into that booster pack...
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 22:20
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No one can GUARANTEE you will make x amount of money!!!
No one can GUARATEE you your busines will grow with you putting forth the effort!!!
Do your research about ANY company you are considering becoming associated with and......
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 22:26
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Quoting: mikepressnell No one can GUARANTEE you will make x amount of money!!! No one can GUARATEE you your busines will grow with you putting forth the effort!!!
TRUE!
They can guarantee ANYTHING but not necessarily back it up!
BUT,
your business probably WON'T grow without effort, THAT'S for sure!
A guaranteed payment though, I believe refers to the fact that IF someone buys your product, you WILL get a certain payout, per sale.
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# Posted: 25 Nov 2007 04:27
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It seems to me that the omly one making money with 2020 is Marv Dorn.
Answer this:
if the company is so great then why is there not a number to call and talk to someone. And I'm not talking about a sponsors number either.
Why is the John(if thats his real name)the founder have to put everone in by hand???
Something is fishy and I will find out. I think this will last long enough for the guy to make his quick buck and then it will disappear into the lost mlm sea(along with the thousands of other mlm wannabe companies.
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 06:39
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Quoting: jvco Marv, Let's be straight with people. How much have you really spent on promoting and how much have you really made? If you do the number of signups which is less than 200 hundred and your team is doing 70% then you can't hype the answer here.
You can check right now and see that the membership is up to 211.
(Which will no doubt change by the time you read this).
Marv is pretty upfront about the money he is spending to advertise and the results he claims.
His last sales report posted definitely corresponded with the increase in membership at the time which was THEN at 206, up from 196.
It is simple math that his percentage of the total sales will change as other people get sales. Also, so we shouldn't get too hung up on that figure. It's meaningless, accurate or not.
I have issues with the rotator as well, which I have posted.
Apparently, the way to get quicker results with the rotator is to buy one of the booster packs, OR (slower) just sit on your butt and see what happens.
It's not Marv's fault that he is earning the most money.
As far as I can see he does the most in the way of promotion!
I just wish 2020 site owner John B. and/or anyone who has indeed received rotator payments would speak up.
One person did, if you search the previous posts.
In any event, you don't even know if these folks are being truthful!
I would suggest you either play the waiting game and see if the rotator pays off - two payouts and you are in the clear. If so, you can then post your results, which would only increase your chance of earning more 'effortless' payouts.
Or, you could promote the site yourself and see what happens.
Marv has some excellent promotional tools useful for 2020 and other programs as well.
I wish I had signed up for 2020u under him, rather than the unresponsive sponsor I chose via email ad.
Even HE though must be getting paid, since he at least got MY $20!
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 09:31
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Hi,
To shed some light on a few figures, I have spent $120 marketing this product and have received 5 sign ups, two at level 1 which must be my direct sign ups and 3 at level two which are either sign ups from sign ups or they are rotator sign ups, I have no way of knowing which they are, most of the marketing spend is still active so I would hope to get a few more for my money before it finishes, none of the marketing was through Marvs coopp ads as the waiting list was so long.
Regards
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# Posted: 26 Nov 2007 17:34
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I just joined this and we'll see how it goes... I'll be writing a reviw of it to my blog once I see results. I'm doing really well with Income 4 Beginners right now, Ihope I'll do just as well with this! 
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# Posted: 27 Nov 2007 01:57
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Hello All,
I have no idea why the forum is getting new messages and I don't receive an email for alot of them, oh well, at least I see there is some action going on in here, that's a good thing.
Hi jvco - I guess the reason Marv Dorn is making the most sales (and my group is outselling me 78 to 46) is because Marv Dorn has thought out of the box with his co-op ad program and is actually helping his customers promote 2020unlimited, by being available via phone & email for questions, by putting together a 2020 marketing plan (that I even offered to share with anyone on the forum via PM & it will work for ANY program), by putting out a weekly newsletter for all my customers and prospects, by promoting 2020 (and 6 other programs, all profitable) EVERY SINGLE DAY using the advertising sources in my 2020 marketing plan, by giving my direct customers their own html ads to promote (they have to request it from me and I will create it and email it to them) and of course by the 2020 co-op advertising plan.
The owner of 2020 is John Balfour out of the Atlanta area. What do you know of John?? What makes you think he is out to make a quick buck, then bail?? I probably know him better than anyone here and he is a very hard working (works 50-60hrs a week in his JOB) comes home and builds all sites by hand for accuracy and does them very quickly for all 200+ members. He is building a quality product and people are quickly noticing this and are joining left and right. And by the way 2020 is not a MLM, it is a people helping people program, that pays you to help your customers. By the way, I don't ever recall seeing a phone number for the owner of any other program, John is available via email and is prompt in returning them.
Hi Maricel - Great job on the sales so far, I hope everyone realizes that those 2 #1 sales can turn into much more than $40, every sale they make will add another $20 into your pocket and reduce the ad cost/sale.
I guess I've rambled on long enough, have to get back to working on this weeks newletter, good night all.
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# Posted: 27 Nov 2007 23:31
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Hi jvco,
I didn't really notice your first post until just now, I noticed you think I am lying to everyone about my online marketing experience. If you happen to go thru the income4beginners forum thread, you will see my story a couple of times. Just a quick version here is in order. I had a kidney transplant on July 23rd of this year, I received an email about income4beginners, after I got home from the hospital, on Aug 1st and signed up for it. I placed a craigslist ad that night and made my first online sale to Jim S. from Michigan later that night. My I4B uid=1985 and not 0001. I am a very technical person (worked for IBM for 16 yrs on mainframe computers) and taught myself html, which I keep telling EVERYONE that they need to learn to make colorful ads that people will actually read, once again, google: html tutorial and click on w3schools link, very good free source. The previous 3 years before my transplant I spent on dialysis, in which I was too tired to do much of anything!! Any other questions? Good night all.
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