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Westly
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 18:57
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Hey guys have you seen Road Map To Riches Yet?
It just launched...and is growing pretty fast.
let me know what you think.
-Westly
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makemoneyonline
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# Posted: 3 Jul 2007 21:35
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I've heard about it, but haven't purchased it.
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jseses
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2007 01:32
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Hi Guys, I've seen it, done alot of investigating into it. It is similar to EDC, P2W. Better packaging and a totally different software ebook package. They deal with personal development. I've checked out the products. The value to you can be high. Please don't talk about how much their monetary value is.
It is direct sales. I have been in this type of business and have made alot of money from it. However, Like in EDC and other businesses not everyone who joins makes money from it primarily because of bad mentors. This can be fixed!!
I haven't joined R2R yet, however I am setting up a co-op advertising system for my team for when I do join - means google traffic for free. To ensure members know exactly what it is they are getting into, what work they need to do, and actually provide them with advertising done for them for free, rather then just showing them what to do.
I think the best approach is where the mentor should teach the protege the best way to run the business, at the same time provide a free advertising system that is done for them.
Again, this is direct sales. However, you don't have to speak to anyone on the phone to make money. It can be done via email.
Now, as I've said, I haven't joined yet. I am setting up a system for my team so that they get free advertising from me. Ensure success.
There are hurdles, but there is also alot of money that can be made in a very short time.
I myself made over 100k in just 5 weeks from a business exactly like this. So it's not hard. My advice would be to go in with a clear direction, which is what I am setting up for everyone right now.
Now, if someone is interested in this business, you can email me to ask for advice, and what help I can give you. I am not in the business, so I won't be selling you anything.
jseses @ gmail . com
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jseses
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2007 19:19
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I've been getting alot of emails from people who are in P2W, PWF, EDC etc who are asking for help because their sponsors have stopped helping as soon as they get your money. That is why a co-op is essential.
I am setting up a mini free course for advertising aswell, email me if your interested.
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Chopper
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# Posted: 7 Jul 2007 20:07
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Can you help me with marketing where and how to advertise?
Thanks
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 8 Jul 2007 15:13
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Want to be a pro, make the pro income?
READ.
Only students of marketing prosper in this game.
These programs that tell you all you have to do is advertise some
Flash movie will have most participants crying all night.
"most people walk around with their umbilical cords in their hands,
looking for something to plug it in to..." - Dan Kennedy.
Very true in my experience.
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jseses
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# Posted: 8 Jul 2007 18:03
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Hi Chopper,
Yes I can, I saw that you that you joined under Bobby Coleman. Your in the MMG forums. Didn't he show you where and how to advertise?
That's the main problem, that's why I am setting up a co-op. If anyone is interested in R2R and actually having some advertising done for them, you can email me. I haven't started yet.
jseses @ gmail . com
BTW for those that have emailed me nd have not received a response, I've been down with the flu for the last few days. I will be replying to everyone today
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2007 23:53 · Edited by: getagrip
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From the website: "You will be redirected to my website and exciting, 6 minute online movie, that does all the selling& telling for me, while earning me $999 EACH and EVERY time it closes a sale!"
Sounds easy, right? I doubt it. If it says "get rich quick", run for the hills...
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Power_Advisor27
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2007 11:03
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Hey all! Just wanted to give my 2 cents about Roadmap to Riches. It is proving to be a very solid program with a lot more to offer than most in its league. I've made quite a bit since its launch, and my team is really growing!
I joined R2R because of the products initially. I'm a big fan of the personal development industry, and I was glad to see a home based business opportunity with such a great variety of products in the personal development arena at a price most folks can actually afford (not $2000 or more).
The best thing is that, like with the other business I've had great success with, I'm proud to say I'm a part because I'm providing something that is helping others. Take it for what you want, but it's not just a get-rich-quick scheme that's looking to get your money and run. There are useful products that anyone, regardless of your profession, your other home based businesses or whatever, can benefit from. I'm happy that, not only am I helping people better themselves, but I'm also helping them start on the path to financial freedom as well!
Personal development is a booming industry, especially with all the publicity surrounding The Secret and the "law of attraction" right now. It's here to stay, unlike many fad products that are often offered with business opportunities (diet pills, health supplements, cure-all's and the like). I seriously suggest taking a better look at what Roadmap to Riches has to offer, not just from an income-earning standpoint, but for the products offered as well.
I'll be glad to answer any questions or address any concerns. And of course, you can always visit my website for more detailed info. I work from home, so you'll receive a response fairly quickly!
To Continued Success!
-PA27
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BobbyColeman
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2007 13:29
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Hey Everyone,
Bobby Coleman here! Glad to see a discussion about Roadmap To Riches. I see that one of my team members "Chopper" is active in this post as well! Chopper and PA are both on my team. Chopper personally sponsored by myself and PA by one of my frontline team members!
PA hit the nail on the head with her post! Great post!
Jseses,
Chopper did join my team. And, there's absolutely nothing wrong with him going on public forums asking for new ways to market and advertise. Masterminding is one of the best things to do to get different ideas on how to market.
Chopper and I spend 1hr and 45minutes on the phone during our "MindSet Marketing Getting Started" training call that I do ONE-ON-ONE with newly personal sponsored reps. He's on the right path as far of how to advertise, and as you know there are so many different methods and forums it makes it a blast to find out what is working for different people!
I always suggest new team members asking others on what is working for them as well! Why? Because if it's working for them that means IT'S WORKING!
What an awesome company in an awesome industry!
Success Is Now,
Bobby Coleman
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netresult
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# Posted: 10 Jul 2007 16:39
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( From Wikipedia )
"EDC Gold", "Passport To Wealth" and "Road Map To Riches" are all forms of this "legalized" pyramid model. They have products for sale but are never sold and only vaguely mentioned, if at all, on the hyped up sales pages to join these programs.
There is only one thing really being sold - grotesquely high memberships into the program. ($997 - $999 )
Once you join it is your job to sell the program to two other victims and then pass the money up the chain to your sponsor. If you manage to make a third sale you get to keep the proceeds and the person you duped now has to send you their first two sales. And on and on it goes until saturation sets in and the people on the bottom can't give away a membership much less sell it. They could of course try and sell the "products" but quickly find out that these products are available for free or at substantially reduced prices all over the internet. At this point it occurs to them that they spent $1000 to sell the same products that anyone else can sell using clickbank for free.
These programs are full of competing "Teams" ( in reality just the people who want you to sign up under them so they collect your first two sales ) - who will tell you that they are a "Marketing Specialist" and that they have a great training program to help you succeed. The training ends about the time you send them the second sale and the training program is laughable. Check out my article concerning these so called "teams" here.
Here is your training in a nutshell.
- join every "Money Making" forum you can find.
- start a thread on each forum hyping your program.
- tell people you are a "Team Leader" and a "marketing Specialist" and you're only interest is helping others make money.
- bash every person who has anything negative to say about your program.
- start an adwords campaign with links pointing to your affiliate canned webpage. You will then see this listed in Googles sponsored links along with the other dozen or so campaigns started by your fellow "Specialists" and keep in mind you will also be competing with the head honcho who started all this and who took your money.
Google - Road Map To Riches
Google - Passport To Wealth
Google - EDC Gold
- make sure to repeat over and over that people can make $1000 a day.
- avoid any discussion of your products and when pressed be as vague as possible - don't mention anything by name as people will quickly find out how absurd it would be to pay $1000 to join a program in order to sell crap that anyone else can get for peanuts. Always get the sales pitch focused on how people can earn $1000 a day selling memberships - not on how they can make $7 a day selling a crappy product.
These programs are notorious for producing "Cheerleaders" who spend every waking hour patrolling the forums - "Forum Lizards" - looking for fresh meat. You will see a common thread with all of them. They are new to the forum in question and never post about anything other than the program they are hyping. You will notice that they are 1 post wonders who just happened to see the thread and wanted to drop in and say how wonderful the program is. You will also notice that the same people show up on all the forums and spout the same crap.
The sad fact is that these programs keep popping up to take advantage of the inherent greed we all possess to one extent or another. This is the kind of greed that convinces us that we don't mind taking a $1000 bucks off of some loser who should know better. Actually most of us have a conscious and don't feel good about this but the "cheerleaders" are like fanatics of all stripes. They convince themselves that this isn't a scam because they are making money at it and if others weren't so lazy they would succeed to. The problem is that this isn't a sustainable business model - the chain will end when market saturation sets in and the last to buy will get screwed. There are always a lot more people screwed on the bottom of the pyramid than winners at the top.
The bottom line is this;
These programs have no end user value - they only work as long as new members are recruited. The business model can not sustain itself and never does. Earnings end when memberships end even though there are supposedly products for sale.
Passport To Wealth had its run.
EDC Gold took its place.
Road Map To Riches is about to replace EDC Gold.
In a couple of months there will be a new $1000 membership program to take the place of Road Map To Riches.
I know - howls of protest because, yet again I am banging the scam drum. You have been warned!!!
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jseses
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# Posted: 11 Jul 2007 18:54
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Netresult,
Firstly, have you EVER been in any of the programs yourself? or are you just copying and pasting things from places?
Lets follow the facts:
1) Yes, the programs EDC, P2W, P2R are all similar.
2) They all offer a part package - (i) You buy a library of ebooks, software etc. (ii) There is a money making component.
3) For R2R there are two options - (i) You pay an upfront $999 and have full access to the library aswell. (ii) You pay $49.95 and no access if provided to the library. The money you pay is entirely for the replicated website and back office.
You yourself mention that it's a LEGAL system and then you say it's a scam. Pick one! A contradiction in terms.
A scam is when someone just runs with their money.
I'll be dead clear. These businesses are 'DIRECT SALES' and there are many different ways to approach them. The problem is not with the business itself. Calling them a scam is simply being ignorant. The real problem is with the sponsors you join with.
If your a newbie, then your success lies with the way your sponsor works. If your sponsor is literally all talk, then thats the sort of response your will get. Most sponsors lie alot aswell just to secure the sale. netresult, most likely you fell for the hype created by a sponsor, he took your money, told you to use adwords and left you begging. You got no results and now you think the programs and all the sponsors are like that.
Guys, this business takes alot of homework! You have to go past the hype. The truly successful people, who are genuine, who can show you some amazing tricks are not the ones flaunting their names around creating hype. Do your homework, find a good sponsor and you will be successful.
One last thing, what you need to start off is a set strategy! Do don't make it up as you go along. All that should be done beforehand. You need to start thinking of this as a real business. The big successful companies don't leave anything to chance, nor do they sit around asking eachother if something works for them.
Success doesn't happen by chance, you make it happen.
Take care.
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netresult
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 06:53
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Jseses
I did copy and paste I put the acknowledgement at the top of my post!
A scam can and often is legal.
Have I ever been in any of these programs? Of course not, I'm not THAT daft!!
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ginasands
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 15:43
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Looking for a legitmate program to offer to my list that can create a 10 million dollar income per year.
We start with a feeder program that pays $5,000/month with 200 members, residual and instant income.
The next level we need a high commission item, but it has to be valuable.. Coastal has some real nasty comments on "ripped off"
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ginasands
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 15:48
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Just checked out the website for roadmap to riches. There are absolutely NO REFUNDS. The original creators of The Secret offer a Briefcase for " The Secret, The Science of Getting Rich and think & Grow Rich.
This program is NOT the answer. Thanks anyway
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jseses
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 21:42
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Quoting: netresult Jseses I did copy and paste I put the acknowledgement at the top of my post! A scam can and often is legal. Have I ever been in any of these programs? Of course not, I'm not THAT daft!!
Then do more research. Ignorance, and ignorant comments is the root of all evil.
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hugecash
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 02:46
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17 Jul 2007 01:51 - Attached on merging:
Roadmap To Riches....All Signed Up....Marketing
I signed up for EDC GOLD a few weeks ago and then my sponsor switched to RTR because of the bad integrity he felt at EDC GOLD.
So, he got us all in over at RTR for Free..Now I am over there and I really like it.
This program has a ton of potential, and all I hear about is how members are making thousands of dollars a day with their sales.
The program is $999. to join, and then after that you need a domain, and a merchant account to get your payments, you also may want to buy a replicate website, auto response, and I forgot the $50 a month fee to the company... All-in-all about $200 worth of extra crap.
THEN...You need marketing. Like any site, you need to have people going there and the initial way RTR and my sponsor recommends is
EZINE ADVERTISING
This was ok, I got 2 SOLO Ads and paid almost $400 total...They are okay, but I only got 20 opt ins or so. Not impressed really.
Then there is Google AdWords ...WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! This is a really expensive niche and there is no way I can afford that.
Then there is free craigslist ads, and more expensive magazine ads, etc. etc. etc.
SO...I am a broke guy trying to market my 100% ready site (HugeCashNow.com) and I do not have the money to...
What is a way I can move my site along?? First 2 sales go to my sponsor, so I really, really need 3 sales before my first 1k comes in and I am moving along.
This program looks phenomenal, it just needs more then the initial membership investment.
Thanks for the help!
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jacalvo
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2007 14:38
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Yikes,
I was just interested in road to riches.
See that is the thing ,no one says you have to spend hundreds of dollars placing ads on your own.
They act like evrything is duplicated under them and there are free mediums.
Thank you for your info.
Newbies need to stick together and know the real costs before we venture out.
keep in touch.
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jseses
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2007 04:35
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Hi Jacalvo I'm not in RTR but mate you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to make money. I am in EDC and have spent as little as only a couple of dollars. Just don't fall for the HYPE that alot of the sponsors are promoting.
There are really easy ways of generating traffic and making really gud money with these programs.
Do your research.
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RayvinAndRob
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2007 04:36
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Aren't you glad you did your research! Good stuff!
When you're looking at business opportunities, look for company management experience with integrity, timing in the company and the industry, a remarkable and retailable product, a compensation plan that pays part-timers decent money and a duplicatable system with upline support.
These are the five pillars any company needs for YOU to have success.
Click on my signature tag below if you'd like to know more.
Respectfully,
Rob Nyte
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TopMentor
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2007 05:48 · Edited by: TopMentor
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Jseses,
That is correct... I make sales all the time without spending a dime.
This is what I teach my new members to do with any program I market is how to generate sales without spending advertising dollars.
Once the sales start coming in, then we can reinvest and turn it up a notch to increase the sales ratio.
Warmly,
Brian McCoy
McCoy Marketing Group
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jseses
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# Posted: 17 Jul 2007 07:26
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Brian the difference is that the mentor must know what works with what products.
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2007 02:39
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Yes Bal, you have a valid point... it's called target marketing.
Brian McCoy
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Bucky
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2007 17:52
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Hey guys - there is a good discussion going on here.
I am actually a former EDC Gold rep who did pretty well with the company. I'm not going to hoot and holler about the money I made because that's just not how I do business.
I will say that I dropped out of EDC Gold because I did not feel that the products they sell offered any real value. I am a web developer and have studied internet marketing for years, and just could not promote the product after I went in and looked at all the product offerings.
Now, I have not read any of the R2R products, but I am very weary of a self help product that will not allow you any refunds. (Just my opinion - I have not seen the products).
I also wonder if anyone will buy the product without the business opportunity.
That said, most people should know that they are joining this program to make money, period. Most people will never use the product and only want to make money with the program. I'm not passing judgement one way or the other, just stating my opinion.
If that is all you want to do, R2R will probably be a good vehicle to do this with for the next few months. But you will need to get in fast. Just as with EDC the earlier people got in, the easier it was to make money.
However, remember that the internet marketing industry is filled with a lot of hype and lies, so be very careful about who you sign up with.
I guarantee some people will make a lot of good money with R2R. I'm also confident that if you find a good mentor you will learn some good ways to market on the internet.
If you feel like its the right opportunity for you, there are some great mentors here that would be able to help many of you out. The mentor here will be key!
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 16:42 · Edited by: TopMentor
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Bucky,
You make some great points. However I have some colleagues in Passport to Wealth that didn't get in at the beginning and that are making a very nice 5 figure monthly income.
The key is marketing and driving traffice by always finding new places to market where there is less competition. If you continually do this, you will do well.
Warmly,
Brian McCoy
McCoy Marketing Group
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 17:45
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Brian, I'm curious why you wouldn't mention on your lead capture page (see Brian's signature link in his last post) that Chris Campell made his $7000 in one day with a program OTHER than with Roadmap To Riches -- one you didn't or can't or won't mention??
At first I thought Chris made that kind of money in one day - April 3, 2007 - with Roadmap To Riches but then I remembered Roadmap To Riches didn't launch until June 21, 2007, about two months later than the day on which Chris made that video.
Strange you or your team member (Chris) didn't say which company Chris made his thousands with.
Another thing that tipped me off was the $997 payout in Chris's video. He shows us his computer screen. Roadmap To Riches pays out $999 not $997.
So which program did Chris make $7000 in one day with? It obviously wasn't with Roadmap To Riches.
Actually, it wasn't obvious. It almost even fooled ME!!
Does your team always use the results from one program as proof for the success of another? Would you kindly clarify this for me? Thank You!
At Your Service,
Rob Nyte
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:33
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Rob,
Always trying to stir up trouble aren't you.
I put that on there to show that I know how to market because Chris is a colleague of mine. The program he earned that from is very similar to Roadmap to Riches and we are getting ready to put up his R2R video that was an $8k day so keep watch on my website over the next month to see the update.
It's sad to see you being negative about every program that I see you making comments on... lighten up Rob.
The world will be a better place if you do.
Warmly,
Brian McCoy
McCoy Marketing Group
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jseses
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:48
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Chris made that money from EDC Gold. Also, Chris uses just google adwords and ezines. That's all that the members are told to use aswell. I know because I have his members asking me for help.
Guys everyone can be successful, I just wish people would stop misleading people to make a buck.
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:51
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Jseses,
You are not correct on Chris recommending only adwords and ezines. He has a whole list of things we utilize.
Brian McCoy
McCoy Marketing Group
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# Posted: 22 Jul 2007 21:55
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Brian is 100% correct. It's all about how you market and sell your product. Chris and others are the top at wha they do. They don't promise you are going to make the same money you do they only promise to teach you the ways they have done it.
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