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dharnie
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# Posted: 12 Nov 2006 09:21
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wealth international does not come up in search here.
Any one know about this 28 yr guy claiming to be millionaire from his online money making program?
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 3 Dec 2006 21:12 · Edited by: malibumentor
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He doesn't say he made his smoney online. He very well could have inherited 1 million dollars. Its likely the information isn't new... but the packaging is okay...
Its designed to appeal to people who like cocky confidence- this guy could very well be an actor...
Anyhow, it appears to be an educational kit that is designed to upsell coaching services.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 4 Dec 2006 17:39
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I think this program may be a repackaging of Bruce Berman's "Aggressive Wealth" program... for a lot of reasons...
-both seem to emphasize teaching ebay strategies
-both use a walk-on pitchman and websites seem to have the same origin and designer.
-both offer the cds and book with free coaching. With Berman's offer you can keep the CDs package and pay $100.
I think Wealth International is the same program or perhaps a simplified version of it. The purpose of both is to sell coaching. Coaching is a valuable commodity... if the coach is inline with what YOU want to achieve.
It seems to be a general pitch for coaching to make money on the internet, etc... The money is made off the coaching, really.
I looked into Bruce Berman (who I think may be behind this, but cannot be sure) and here's a link to a google search with different views of his products and sevices.
Click Here
Expect to be upsold at every turn with Wealth International. Nothing wrong with that... nature of these things.
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blintas
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2006 09:40
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Hello,
I have reviewed Bruce's material, and it is really nothing new. Everyone already knows about Affiliate programs using Google Ads, and that is basically what he tells you. ClickBank + GoogleAds = His Program (just like the other 100,000 programs out there).
Don't waste your money on his material.
Barry
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 6 Dec 2006 12:19 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Great Point, Barry.
Some folks have made some money by packaging informationa in an attractive way... and there is nothing wrong with that. The cost of adwords is rising and the environment on the net is changing daily.
Its really important to understand that making your own BRAND is the best thing to do as an internet marketer. You can promote other products but its important to show people that YOU have integrity and values and that they should BUY from YOU.
I feel, because I feel this way, that people are tired of the hype and pictures of boats and sports cars in the income op field. They want and crave something REAL. Be a real person, share your story. Make a video that says something about the kind of person you are.
The tools are there for anybody too have success in an online business... but its vital to have a strategy and vision for how to present oneself and what one wishes to achieve.
I love to teach and I promote training and personal development programs. I just dig this stuff. Find a product that you can make some good income with, use it and become a real believer, and market it in suchy a way that people say:
"this guy or girl is somebody I want to do business with"
It takes some though to establish a brand online, but its a flexible process. I blog extensively about my online marketing experiences and that is a big part of my brand...I tell it like it is... at least for me.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 21 Dec 2006 17:48
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Wealth International was apparently featured in "Pulse on America" - a paid programming thing that runs on Discovery Channel. It seems that this progam has been marketed to TV impulse buyers.
I encountered it in the context of a "review" site that makes comments on a lot of income opportunities out there and directs the viewer to the "absolute best" one... Wealth International.
Am I the only person who is laughing at this thing?
Anyway. "Pulse on America" was used to promote Prosperity AUtomated System before it was shut down in October. That whole PAS fiasco really hurt the whole industry... but PAS did demonstrate that having company employees follow up and close sales was a viable model. I am using this business model myself and I am liking it.
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sumbadra
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# Posted: 13 Feb 2007 18:22
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I received a package of material--some written, some on cds--which indicate that I'd incur a financial obligation if I kept them, since they were apparently the first part of a series. If I chose to send them back, I'd have to first call for "authorization." I never looked at the contents, and had not asked to be sent anything in this manner, so I simply wrote on the package "refused by patron--return to sender." Last month, Wealth International charged $3.50 to my credit card; this month, $3.95. I authorized neither of these charges, so I feel that this is an act of dishonesy on their part.
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WealthInt
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# Posted: 13 Apr 2007 19:25
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As someone who has worked with the owner of Wealth International, Daniel Wagner, and designed the packaging, I am glad you think the packaging is nice. Also, it is not the same information that is included with Bruce Berman, although we did use the same company to design the flash section of the site, which is why they are similar.
Daniel D Wagner is sincere in his efforts to deliver a quality product. He is very transparent as is our company. We are located in Sandy Utah. We are doing our best to find the best mentors and teachers of internet marketing and real estate investiment available. If you have complaints or any suggestions, please forward them.
Daniel also owns REII, Real Estate Investing Institute, which has been in business for over 5 years, and is a member in good standing of the Utah Better Business Bureau. Please contact me or anyone in our company to ask any questions or give any feedback about our products and services.
As for refunding the shipping charges, go ahead and call customer service again. They will help you sort out any problems.
Sincerely,
Janel Floyd
Graphic Designer
Wealth International
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 14 Apr 2007 11:58
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Its interesting that this forum is on P. 1 of Google for Wealth Int.
Its interesting that there seems to be little if any kind of branding of the company in the search engines.
It is interesting that there seems to be little if any Branding fo Daniel Wagner in the search engines.
It is interesting that it took over 6 months for a (contract) employee of the company to notice that the product was being discussed and comment about it.
It is also interesting that Wealth International says they can teach how to make money online... but have totally neglected to do the kinds of activities that build legitimate brands online.
This forum thread seems to be the only information about this company aside from their squeeze pages that is available on the net.
Wagner doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the reii site.
perhaps I am being too hard. As a diligent internet self-brander I a more than a little perplexed why some "big shot" like Wagner didn't do anything to brand his wealth international product in the search engines.
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Sparkydonald
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# Posted: 18 Jul 2007 17:43
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do you think that the sales cds are for real or scammers??
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vegasspagirl
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2007 00:32
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I just got this crap in my mail....thought I was getting a CD to show me the ins and outs of Google or eBay.....what I got is this package that, just as I thought when I saw it in my mailbox, is nothing but gobble-d-gook about upselling to get a coach/mentor....just like x-treme wealth/NRU...it's all connected to the Mormon church folks....Salt Lake and the state of Utah in general are the new Silicon Valley of the 21st century....clickbank...doubleclick...lots of warehouses full of stuff (they say) to help you bring in multiple streams of income from your home computer.....each and every time I have sat in on one of these seminars...they got my money (this makes twice now) and I got nothing but a bunch of audio CD's designed to entice you to SPEND MORE MONEY for a coach/mentor or something......the latest is NRU...it claims to make you super rich by helping you get into real estate with NO MONEY of your own...they set up these so called classes to teach you this stuff but nobody I know who has paid them $16K to get into this thing has ever got a house of their own or as an investment...the coaches never seem to have the answer of how to make the next step...I have a friend who's going through this right now w/them and she has yet to benefit from any of it...but they are benefitting plenty...it's' the new pyramid game of the 21st century...I am waiting for 20/20 or NBC to do an expose' on them..... so ok smart guy...I called to cancel and get an authorization # today when I got this junk and all I got was a recorded message that played over and over....I called my cc company and complained to them also....so have someone call me and give me an authorization # to send this stuff back. Keep the $1.95, I don't care but if they charge me again....it's war...!!!
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 12 Aug 2007 22:50
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An employee of Wealth International called me and we spoke about
business for about an hour.
She was very nice and I think that the people who run this company
have a track record with REAL Estate Investing.
If you want to buy a product on that subject from them, it might
be good.
Its not a Scam
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markd
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# Posted: 14 Aug 2007 00:34
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I have the same complaint as vegasspagirl. I ordered a free CD and now I have a bill for $129.00 that will be charged on my credit card automatically if I don't call and cancel. Well like vegasspagirl I called to cancel and all you get is a recording that drones on and on. I went to there web site for an email address. No address, just the same phone number to listen to the same recording. The only way to keep them from stealing my money is to cancel my credit card before they charge it.
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eagle33
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# Posted: 29 Aug 2007 16:11
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 well, i have been charged $129.95 then one day later 9.95 for this material...it was way too much to get thru for me- 12 cd's to listen too, so i returned it w/in the 30 day time period..
so far, no response from the company.. i did get an operator at 18007242794 who gave me an "RI #" to return w/the package..i paid $10 for signature confirmation receipt to them @
Real Success Institute
185 So. Mountain Way Drive
Orem, Utah 84058
(this confirmation receipt took about 9 days from New York State i might add!)
i will keep trying to speak w/them for my refund, and if all else fails, anyone in the good old USA should contact their state's Attorney General's office and complete a consumer complaint...
good luck to all !!
(seems like another scam to me)...my last one..
also, i cant get back in touch w/them, but i will be persistent...
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gabs24
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# Posted: 29 Aug 2007 19:05
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Hello, everyone. I just registered. I came to this site looking for the Wealth International website. I too have had some bad luck with this company. I sent for the package, thinking it was an actual job opportunity, all I got was a box full of CDs that I couldn't even load onto my computer. I was not interested at all in a wealth package. So I called to cancel, got an return authorization number, and asked specifically if my account was going to be cancelled as soon as they received the returned package. They said my account had already been cancelled per my request. I asked again specifically if I was going to be charged again. The customer service rep said no, just put it in the mail. She did not give me a time limit as to when I needed to mail the package back. I kept forgetting to mail it for a couple of weeks, thinking that wouldn't be a problem. A week after I mailed it, I get a charge for $129.99 to my debit card. Now my house payment that I recently mailed is going to bounce. I tried to call to resolve this issue, and customer service will not answer my call. I swear I have been listening to the phone ring for at least 25 minutes. I have no idea how to get my money back.
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2007 16:57
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I also have been hit with a transaction to my debit card for $129.99 this past Saturday morning. The scam started with an agreed upon transaction of $1.95 to my debit card about a month earlier, without any knowledge of this larger amount to follow. Saturday morning I went to my bank and had that debit card cancelled. My wife and I both have listened to the lengthy recording at 18007242794, in attempting to get this resolved but we never get thru to a person for a discussion. We have no interest in installing any of the numerous CD's they sent and the documentation that came with the cd's indicates we are to call and obtain a registration # before shipping the cd's back for a refund. I can only suggest to others: DON'T FALL INTO THE SAME TRAP, STARTING WITH SPENDING $1.95.
Frustrated in San Antonio,
DLEE
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tromriel
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# Posted: 30 Aug 2007 21:44
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I ordered this crap as well on a banner ad that indicated that it was all free. At no time did it ask me for banking information or debit card information. I received the stuff and really hadn't had a chance to look at it due to family stuff. Later I was looking at my online banking account and noticed a charge for $129.99 from a Wealth International. I had no idea what this was and called my bank. I called the number listed for Wealth International and they wouldn't give me any straight answers at all about how they got into my bank account. They just stated that as soon as I returned the items that I would get my money back. I did that the next day. I then called my bank again and started a fraud investigation. 2 days later Wealth International charged me another $29.95!! I was furious!! I called them again and threatened a lawsuit. My bank faxed the fraud investigation form to Wealth International and 3 days later I was called and told that I would be getting my money refunded. Another 3 days later my online bank statement showed that this money was put back in my account.
By the way I did some investigation on this company and it has nothing to do with the Mormon church. This was started by individuals.
I've warned many people about staying away from this company.
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nozip
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# Posted: 3 Sep 2007 16:04
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I had just checked my bank stmt, today and found a charge for 129.99 from that Wealth International. I called my bank (they are open 7 days a week) and told them about this charge. They gave me the same number 800-994-4594. I stayed on the line for 1 1/2 hr. got the same recording. Started checking the web and came across this board. Wow, I was shocked at what is going on. I have never even signed up for any $1.95 package for anything. I have no idea how they got my bank card numbers or anything. The bank said that maybe because it is still pending they might not put it through, but after reading the post here, it confirms to me that it is a scam. Has anyone got their mony back or got through to anyone?
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# Posted: 14 Sep 2007 12:58
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I'm also having trouble getting wealth int. to refund my money. I've been charged the 129.99 twice as well as the 29.95. I have called a dozen times,and returned the package as instructed.It has been 3 weeks and they claim have not received it, and request the usps to track it, which they cannnot. I'v thought about cancelling my card but if they should refund it how would it get credited back?
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tbr
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2007 17:50
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I got caught is this flim flam. I, after numerous tries, was able to finally get ahold of someone to give me a return #. I was told that 3-5 business days my 129.95 + 29.95 would be put back into my checking account. After 10 days, (I required a signature on my return) I finally got someone on the phone to find out why the $$ had not been returned. NO ANSWER WHY. Just did I know that there was a $15 restocking fee? I did not know anything about it. But they could put the $$ back into my account immediately minus the $15. I refused and told them to put it ALL back after all, I had given them and extra 5 business days. They told me finally that all money had been returned. I have checked my account and nothing is showing as yet. If not tomorrow, I will seek legal action.
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tbr
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# Posted: 29 Sep 2007 03:28
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My money was returned. It did take 3 days to get all my $$ returned, but it was returned. My advice when you call, call and choose any option that will get you to a live person and let them forward you to the refund department and don't hang up until you have the person's name you are speaking to and have them tell you that your refund has been sent!
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CapeCasual
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2007 11:42
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Regarding Wealth International:
Wealth International operates by extracting information form other work at home and financial success programs. This information is re-inputted and packaged for resell.
The main source of income is the $129.99 fee charged if you fail to return the package within 21 days. Wealth International realizes that by offering the package for the shipping & handling fee of $1.95, their response is great. Most people do not see the 21 day return policy fee and realize they are being charged $129.99.
Wealth International makes it extremely difficult to work your way through thier phone systems to reach someone in regards to the $129.99 charge. And getting credit takes persistent calling.
( 1-800-724-2794 ext: 2142)
In order for a company to charge you, they must prove you recieved the information. Each package has a tracking number through the USPS and can be detremined whether deliverywas made.
Its a scam that preys on people who are looking for a better way to make a living. There are hundreds of stories of people having thier checking accounts overdrawn by this type of scam. Whether its Wealth International or any other company willing to ship you information for the cost of postage, BE AWARE!
If their product is so good and they are so sure of your success, why dont they spell out the $129.99 charge in as bold of print as they claim your future financial success will be???
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eperi
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# Posted: 5 Oct 2007 14:38
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Regarding Wealth International:
I also made the mistake to agree to the $1.95 thinking it would lead me to a home based job from Wealth International
Well, I really didn't expect to be charged for anything else. A charge of $29.95 showed up on my next statement. I called them several times, finally giving up on the call after waiting for someone to answer. I had my credit card number changed. I see where tbr did manage to get the $$ back....I haven't been able to get a real person on line.
I didn't have this EXT # before...I will give this a try next, also the name of the person that owns the company in Sandy, UT
Thanks
( 1-800-724-2794 ext: 2142)
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eperi
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2007 16:16
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Nozip
I haven't recieved my refund, just had my credit card company call me this morning. They got the company on line for me and I had a chance to tell them I wanted my money refunded. They said I would have to pay $14.95 for handling. I recieved the first CD, which I paid with my credit card, I sent it back to them unopened.
We were in the middle of a job and I couldn't deal with it at the time. I had to get my credit card number changed to avoid more charges. I am waiting for the refund now.
By the way, how did you find this site? I was trying to find Wealthin as on the bill, and continued to dig until I came up with this...Seems like a great site!
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# Posted: 25 Oct 2007 23:21
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I work at this stupid company, If I didn't need the money I would have quit a long long time ago. The mentors are full of crap I can't believe they can convince anyone of anything. Half of them are in their mid 20's and care more about their smoke breaks and conning whoever is on the other end of the phone than helping anyone and the other half are old gross men who failed at everything else in their life.
I would urge people to not sign up for this garbage. I do feel bad I have to work there but i'm stuck. This company is only out there to con desperate people out of what little money they have left.
Not to mention the fact that most of the advice they give is horrible horrible financial advice, anyone that has read a good finance book would know this.
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Tybran
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# Posted: 23 Nov 2007 22:57
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Here's the low down from somebody that fell for it nearly a year ago.
At the time you received the cd rom pack showing how to either go into real estate or Internet Marketing. The information is very general, no big surprises. The real so called deal is when you get the phone call from a telemarketer to up-sell you in the mentor program. They ask a bunch of pre qualifier questions (every little yes leads to the big one)
At the time I was interested in I.M. not real estate. The sales person did an excellent job at telling me I.M. was no good and the real money was in real estate. Being totally new, I believed him. I paid nearly $13,000 for the program.
Truth be told, buy low, sell high. Go to realtor.com, it's free.
Eventually after a couple weeks I let my "mentor" (actually a very nice guy) know I was not interested in real estate and had been "flipped" into the program.
So they put me into the internet program. This was the biggest heap of doo on the net!
They outsource to a company called Bright Builders. I got on the phone for my first session with my "expert" (guy in a boiler room making an hourly wage)
I asked a reasonable question, "What are your qualifications to teach me about marketing on the net? How much money do you make? What are the URLs to your sites?"
His answer, "We are not allowed to give out that information, but I'm certified in....."
I don't know about you, but if you want to shell out big bucks to a mentor, I think it's very reasonable to know their qualifications.
The bottom line is they are not qualified, otherwise they would happily show personal proof.
If you are new, be careful. Don't be a sucker like I was.
I'll give you the secrets right now for internet marketing.
You are either going to do one of three things to make money.
1) sell products as an affiliate.
2) develop and sell your own stuff
3) broker traffic (Adsense and such)
Most likely you will sell info products. Don't be scared. It's really not that hard, even to make your own stuff.
Just seek the advice of people that have done it. There's nothing wrong with paying good money for your education when it comes from the source.
Remember this, you will need to take action. Most likely you might screw up a few times. No biggie, you learned something. Just don't give up. It took me many months before I found good teachers and actually got it. There is no magic bullet. Just persistence and hard work (at least in the beginning, it does get easier)
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# Posted: 24 Nov 2007 22:04
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Another option:
4) Hook up with an legitimate, honest , ethical company that sets up your own website for you in which customers purchase from stores listed on the website and pays you commissions for those sells.
Do your research BEFORE you become associated with a company.
Mike Pressnell
Huntsville, Alabama, USA
[email protected]
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# Posted: 7 Dec 2007 15:27
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12/07
This is our experience with this company, this week.
My husband is a 100% disabled, oxygen dependant quadriplegic. He is heavily medicated and unable to work. He receives SS, disability and Veterans health benefits. He is mostly bed bound and only able to sit in a wheelchair a few hours a day. He speaks slowly and deliberately with lots of spaces between the words. In other words even on the phone he sounds disabled. He is a bright, educated individual with a good trusting heart and a strong work ethic. He wants to do something productive with his time.
We have two minor children.
He responded to an unsolicited e-mail that he thought was affiliated with the GOOGLE Corporation. He was then contacted by REII, Global Wealth, RPRS, Real People Real Success, Wealth International (they have many names). They set him up over a week time, calling him and asking questions, sending him to the next level. They directed him to their spiffy looking website. They made it sound like they were selecting him not the other way around. Like an interview to see if you qualify. They were told about his condition (he explained why he needed to make money). Finally when they felt they had primed the pigeon enough they swooped in for the kill. He was turned over to an extremely high-pressure sales person who called him repeatedly over an entire day. During the day he was questioned about his finances, credit cards (mostly what is the limit and how much is already on them) and willingness to work 5-10 hours a week for Big Big money (up to 100 thousand). They record your calls so you can't say, "I didn't say that" later. The salesman said if he didn't respond today that it would show lack of commitment to success. They really played on his vulnerability. Hyped up, and worn down he made the mistake of giving them his credit card number. They immediately put a charge of nearly $9000.00 on the card. A few moments later he told me what had happened ( I had not spoken to any of these RPRS people and I didn't know this was going to happen). I called them back and they refused to give him back the money (it had only been about10 minutes). When they realized I was going to stand in the way of him signing the contract they started giving me the sales schpeel. I had no idea who these people were or what they were going to do with our credit card number. Horrified that my husband had given our credit card number to a stranger over the phone, I called the police. The local policeman spoke with them for a while. He said we should contact our credit card company and also look on the Internet to see if anyone else had been scammed by them (they had). He also said he thought it was a company that scams the public within the limits of the law. They sent paperwork for my husband to sign, first by e-mail (just as soon as they got the credit card number with instructions to FAX it back immediately) followed by a next day delivery by FedEx of this same contract. They don't want you to have any cooling off period or time to think. They really pressure you to sign the agreement, because once you do, there is no way out. I imagine that if you don't send it back right away they will continue to call and call with high pressure, until they coerce you to do so. This didn't happen in our case because I was pretty clear that we were not interested. The 'contract' was very vague and bogus looking. It mainly said you will make money in a year as long as you do your part. If you don't make money in a year they will continue to work with you (at what cost I don't know). This is their guarantee. The minute you sign it and send it back to them you can't get your money back. It talked a lot about 'success' but was extremely lacking in detail on how this 'success' would be achieved. It was all fairy dust. The main thing they wanted signed was access to the credit card charge. It was the only paper with any details, mainly how much they had grabbed from our card.
We had to cancel our credit card immediately and instruct our bank to file a dispute to the payment if and when it posted. RPRS did give us our money back today (2 days later). The charge is no longer on the card.
In fairness to RPRS, I don't know what the product was like. It may be the greatest program in the world for all I know. You never really see what you are "buying" before hand. You don't know whom you will be working with or what you will actually receive for your money. They don't send out brochures or info packets for you to peruse. They don't give the credentials of their mentors. All of their business is done with nice websites, e-mail and cell phones. They could be operating out of a basement for all I know.
I think this company uses predatory sales techniques.
Sorry for writing a 'book' just hope to warn others.
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