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Denya Bayne
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# Posted: 26 Jul 2007 11:03
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Sorry, I forgot something. Lots of folks want to look at the extra sites with Jag. You may not have seen them as yet. Here they are: MoneyMovie.net and SalesCallClosers.com the SCC is a hiring site.
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shalamigri
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# Posted: 22 Aug 2007 04:37
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The Predator and Jaguar Marketing System is a very good opportunity. I know this because I know people personally that use it. The only thing that bothers me is the way you get your own sales team started. Most people are very afraid of picking up the phone to call interested prospects in any business opporutnity. Can you imagine those same people having to pick up the phone and give interviews to people whom they want to join their sale team? I must admit that this is a very good tactic though and those that have the desire to do this will set themsleves aboove and beyond many other online marketers. Why? Because no one else is doing this. The delegation concept is a very unique concept because most people are teaching other people how to duplicate failure online.
The one thing I do like about the system is that you can send members right to your website and have the company closers handle them. This is good for people tht already know how to market, but don't want to hire a sales team.
If you want to earn some serious money and you are willing to put your fear behind you, then the Jaguar and Predator Marketing System will be perfect for you. If you would rather work alone and don't have a lot of motivation, then you may want to steer clear from ALL online opportunities. It all starts with you.
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# Posted: 22 Aug 2007 04:45
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Quoting: luvtravel Personally I am looking for folks who can speak with people who are requesting information about our product, right now I have so many people to call back I am looking for someone to assist with all the calls. Terri
You may want to do a search on craigslist. You'll find a lot of interested people there that have experience in that line of work.
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# Posted: 26 Aug 2007 06:57
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Quoting: shalamigri You may want to do a search on craigslist. You'll find a lot of interested people there that have experience in that line of work.
Thanks I have and haven't found any that want to work on commission only. I am considering a system some what like the system mentioned on this thread. An all automated system, right now I am with a sales closers company that will close sales but the client has to request a call from them or call the center themselves they don't call out to leads.
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Denya Bayne
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# Posted: 26 Aug 2007 11:48
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Quoting: shalamigri The only thing that bothers me is the way you get your own sales team started. Most people are very afraid of picking up the phone to call interested prospects in any business opporutnity. Can you imagine those same people having to pick up the phone and give interviews to people whom they want to join their sale team?
Yes, Shalamigri. The majority of people out there are afraid to pickup the phone. That's why Jag has been so successful with it's built-in Corporate closer feature. It doesn't cost the site owner a dime and they don't have to talk to anyone during the sales process if they don't want to.
Now for the sales team part of your comment. There's a little bit of difference here. Cold calling to make sales sends fear into lots of folks. However, in regards to the sales team, you are actually returning someone's call about something you have that they desparately want ($1,000 commission).
My hiring process takes about 10 minutes. 5 minutes on an original call where I tell them briefly about the position. I never answer their questions during the 1st call. I tell them what I want to tell them and then send them to the system for them to decide if it is something they can work with. I tell them, if it is, they will have to call me back. I never initiate the second call. When they do call back, I spend about 5 minutes giving them the info they need to plug into the company training.
So, as you can see, I've got about 10 minutes into the hiring process. If someone is looking to get into business for themselves and can't talk to somebody for 10 minutes, where they're actually controlling the conversation, they should just quit before they even get started. They will be wasting their money.
In fact, to get on my team, you have to be qualified. I don't take just anybody's money. I only want to associate with people that are like minded. Those folks may not be making the money I am making as yet, but they have the potential, the desire and the determination. That is someone I can help.
Look, if you are looking into a business opportunity, there is no such thing as "fully automated." If someone tells you that, they'relying to you. Period. In the biz opp arena, the only business that is highly successful involves a phone call. Period. If someone tells you otherwise, they're lying to you. Period. The good thing about Jag is that the phone call can be made by someone else.
Let's get back to the sales team. Don't call me and tell me you can't hire a sales team. Don't call me and tell me you don't know how to do that. Don't call me and give me this or that excuse. Look, you can either make money or you can make excuses. You can't do both. If you want to make excuses then call somebody else. But, if you want to make money then call me (541-476-7857).
It may sound harsh, but I don't work with wimps. I work with people that have goals and are willing to be taught how to achieve them. I guarantee that I can show you how to have a 5-10 person sales force within 10 days of jumping on my team. Getting the sales force won't cost you a dime. I can show you how to do it absolutely free. I haven't spent a nickel on getting any salespeople and you don't have to either.
So, if you can carry on a conversation for 10 minutes, you can hire someone. If you say you are to afraid to do that, please don't call me. If you say you are afraid to do that but are willing to learn how, then call me. Look, if you are a wimp, get over it. Wimps never make a dime. People who are willing to confront those fears are the ones that succeed. Look at my MoneyMovie.net site. Those people weren't leaders to begin with. But, they overcame their personal hangups and go on with this business of making money.
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Denya Bayne
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# Posted: 26 Aug 2007 11:55
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Hey Terri,
Within Jag, I personally know of 75-100 people every week that join a sales team and are more than willing to work for commission. In fact, that's what they prefer. If they are pros, they don't want to limit their income potential and with Jag, they are 100% commission. There are salespeople with Jag that are earning $20k per month. Think about what that means to the site owner.
Jag is the only business that offers this unique feature and it doesn't cost the site owner a dime. No monthly fees, no training charges....Nada, zip, ziltch, zero.....Period. Any other company that is charging you for something even remotely close is just stealing your money.
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 02:25
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The key to with Jag is knowing how to market and that's where I feel the system fails.
It's true the sales center will close the deals for you,
but you still have to advertise and they don't really teach you the essentials of marketing very well in "branding" yourself or creating a personalized capture page.
The only other problem is that when you pass up your 1st sale to your sponsor, they have no reason to continue training or helping you. You are on your own because they no longer earn any income of off you and have to spend time with the people they earn off of and that haven't made their pass up sale yet.
Just food for thought!
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Brian McCoy
McCoy Marketing Group
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 12:08
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With all due respect, Brian... I think you are making a very
self-involved drive-by criticism... and people can see
right through it.
To answer your concerns about Jag training...
I am unware of any other programs teaching high-level SEO traffic skills to any system owner who attends the classes.
Its true that Jag trainingf DOES not emphasize PPC marketing,
mostly because PPC is a tough way to generate leads in a cost-effective manner. Just read Perry Marshall's comments on
building MLM with PPC.
The FACT is that Jaguar training teaches the real SCIENCE of
long-term Search-Engine marketing... something most folks
will never comprehend.
I have not consistently hit the top spots for Google organic
search results because I didn't do the trainings. You will find
my site "ZeroDollarMarketer" all over place regarding
Jaguar.
Did I pay for this positioning? NO.
I merely took action on what was taught in the trainings.
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Yes... its true... we don't teach folks how to pimp the new
hot program whichg sells out dated EBOOKS and old software
for $1000... what we DO teach is responsibility for building
a real, sustainable business.
Many, many Jag system owners simply don't do the work
necessary to succeed... in fact, many don't promote their
systems at all.
Nor do they attend the classes.
Nor do they hire account execs...
In fact, many Jag system owners DON't do ANYTHING
to build the business.
ANd they make no money.
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OF course, this is true of any business.
Those who do no work, fail to self-educate or promote...
earn no money.
Its the same story with any program, regardless of the
type of product or the pay plan.
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DenyaBayne
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 13:29
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Malibu is exactly right. Jaguar is one of the only businesses out there that sell themselves based on the truth. That's why it's so successful and continues to grow every week.
If any biz opp tells you that all you have to do is buy into this or that and they will do everything else for you, they are flat out lying to you. There is no such thing as a successful do nothing business. Sure, that's everybody's dream, but in reality it does not exist. Those are actually the companies that give this industry a bad name.
On the otherhand, Jag is not promoted that way. They tell you up front that this is a business. Your business. They can help you succeed, but if you never personally jump off the fence and roll your sleeves up, you're not going to make the big money. Period. The point is, if you're serious about making money online, Jag is the system you want to be involved with.
The only way to spell "Automated" in any highly successful business is personal involvement and personal responsibility. Do nothing, make nothing. Treat it like a business and you get business results.
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# Posted: 7 Sep 2007 14:05 · Edited by: TopMentor
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Loren,
I simply made statements that are true and will give the people some things to think about.
There is not a lot of team synergy... I have one of the Jag closers who left on my team right now that didn't like the no residuals from Jag as they break away from you once you make a sale, so therefore there was no incentive to keep on working as a team. You can PM for his name if you'd like.
Warmly,
Brian
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DenyaBayne
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 01:47
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I disagree Brian. Your premise is all wrong in the first place. In my opinion, if a sponsor is only interested in the money he can make off of you then no matter what biz opp he is involved with, he's a lousy sponsor.
Sure, I like the $3k profit I make off a sale. But to me it's more about the long term relationship. I hope that I can teach all my folks how top make money, but I hope that at some time I will also learn something from them.
So, if someone is only interested in the money they can make off you and then drop you like a hot potato after that incentive has dried up, it is that person that should get the criticism, not the particular opportunity.
As for the residual part of your comment. With all due respect, that's just plain nonsense. Sure, I don't make $100 or whatever on the 10th of every month. To me, that's worthless. I mean what are you going to do with $100 these days. Instead, with Jag, I can make $3k off of everybody's 1st sale and I get to help them do the same thing. I can also make that $3k on those 1-ups all throughout the month. Now that's my kind of residual income.
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 02:31 · Edited by: TopMentor
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Denya,
Jag is a real business and should be treated that way which goes with out saying.
Here's my point and why I stated my comments...
If you have 15 people that haven't passed up their 1st sale to you and 2 that are already qualified and they all want to be trained by you, which are you going to help first? Seems to me that as a smart business person trying to put food on the table for your family and earn a living, you would want to help the 15 that weren't qualified and would make you $3000. This would then leave the 2 at the back of the line as far as 1 on 1 phone and personal training from you.
I agree with you about creating relationships as that is what home businesses are all about, but there is much more synergy being created when the affiliates never break away from you.
Also, when you are selling a program for $3895 to make a $3000 sale it can be a very tough sell.
Quoting: DenyaBayne Sure, I don't make $100 or whatever on the 10th of every month. To me, that's worthless. I mean what are you going to do with $100 these days.
I'm not sure what you are talking about with the above comment. I make $200 and $100 for every sale made forever so as I get near 100 people who I've sponsored which earned me $900 immediately, I then earn $200 on every sale they make forever and an additional $100 on every sale their affiliates make forever!
Lets just say my 100 people just get an average of 2 people thats 200 people on my 2nd level who make me $200 per sale. Then take the 200 who just get 2 and I have 400 people on my 3rd level who I earn $100 for every sale they make forever! Now that's residual income!
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Brian McCoy
McCoy Marketing Group
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DenyaBayne
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 16:44
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for your comments. I guess we are just not going to agree on your first point of view. I don't see people as just being Dollar signs. I will try to help anybody that calls whether they "owe" me money or not.
Also, I only partially disagree with your 2nd comments. In theory, I think you're correct. But, we're playing in the real world where theory doesn't necessarily hold water. Your point is that $4k is alot of money and that there are less people that will jump on board than a cheaper opportunity.
Here's where we part company. First, it takes just as long to make a sale for a $500 or $1,000 biz opp as is does for a $4k biz opp. That's just the plain truth. So, inregards to your comment about time management, you can bet I am going bto maximize my time (that's why I'm with Jag). Plus, I can make 2-3 times the money in the same amount of time or I can make 2-3 times less in sales (and therefore effort) and still makde the same amount of money as someone in the lower dollar opp.
Plus, and this might even be a bigger thing for me. I don't sell any lower dollar items such as $100 or so. My feeling is that anybody can stand to lose $100. So, if feel that human nature jumps into the mix here. Folks that are in lower dollar programs may have a buck or two invested, but they are not personally invested. I mean you just don't go out with the spouse to dinner and a movie that week and you're back to even. That's exactly why you may have so many folks in your downline. The overwhelming majority will never make you a dime because they are not personally invested in their own success. Tat's why your comments work in theory but not in the real world.
However, you can bet that someone who invests $4k into something are personally invested in it. They are willing to do what it takes to succeed because they realize that $4k is a lot of money. So, yes, there may be a slightly smaller market because of the $4k, but it is exactly because of that that you make more money. The folks are serious and therefore can not only put money in your pocket but also into their own. So, the very thing you think is a deterrent is actually one of the best things you have working for you.
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 17:30
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Quoting: DenyaBayne I don't see people as just being Dollar signs.
When did I ever say that I see people as dollar signs, lol.
Quoting: DenyaBayne First, it takes just as long to make a sale for a $500 or $1,000 biz opp as is does for a $4k biz opp. That's just the plain truth.
This couldn't be further from the truth... where are you getting your facts. If this was the case, then why aren't jag people making more money than they are if they put just as much into advertising as other people in alternate programs. All you have to do is look at the top earner with jag and top earners of any of the other opportunities under $1k and you will see that the #'s aren't even close. You backed it up when you said the following, Quoting: DenyaBayne So, yes, there may be a slightly smaller market because of the $4k
Anyways, don't want to argue with you and as a fellow entrepreneur I wish you continued success!
Warmly,
Brian McCoy
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 20:19
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Just to reaffirm my comments. One of our people did just shy of $100k last month. Also, to prove my point, you are trying to sell me and you will make $900. I am trying to sell you and I will make $3k. Yet, we have both spent the same amount of time in our attempt.
Yes, I also wish you continued success.
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# Posted: 8 Sep 2007 20:21
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Sorry, i forgot one thing. We usually do 5 figures per month but we don't spend a single dime in advertising and we don't spend a single dime getting our salespeople.
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2007 14:48
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I just wanted to post today and drive home one important point about the amount of time necessary to make a sale. I had indicated that it takes just as long to make a $4k sale as it does a $100, $500 or $1000 sale. I also have indicated the popularity of Jag and the prime reason for that being it's ability to help normal folks (non techies) make money.
To let you know how this week is shaping up, I have made 2 sales with money in the bank already, another gentleman transferring the money over on Wed eve and another gentleman in Canada committed to jumping on board on Monday at 11 am. Keep in mind, it's only Tuesday at 11:30 am. I can't wait to see what the remainder of the day (let alone the week) has in store.
Also, remember that I am just regular folks, just like you. I am not some computer geek or big time guru. All I really know is how to make money with Jag. In fact with Jag, we can also show you how to add income with your existing business if you have one.
Got questions, just post them here so all can learn or give us a call. An informed decision is usually the best one.
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# Posted: 11 Sep 2007 15:03
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Congrats on your sales Denya!
Brian
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2007 03:49
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Quoting: TopMentor The key to with Jag is knowing how to market and that's where I feel the system fails.
I completely agree with that statement. A machine doesn't know how to market.
A machine cannot replace the powerful knowledge within your mind.
To Your Continued Success,
Tim
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2007 03:50
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Does anyone know who are the founders of PAS or JAGUAR?
Tim
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2007 11:33
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Howdy Champion,
You had a question and a comment. The question is easy. Al Turnquist is the CEO and founder of Mentors On A Mission which is the parent corporation for Jag. The headquarters as well as Al are both in Florida. The corp has been around since June of 2004. It is a multi-million dollar, debt free company.
Now for your comment. Al is also a multi-millionaire. He made his millions in sales. I would have to assume you would agree that he knows how to make sales which means he knows how to market. He also surrounds himself with people of the same qualities.
What you have to understand is that the training in Jag is totally different than what you're used to. Jag does not have a once a week phone call/pep rally - go read this ebook and that ebook and you're on your own. In fact there are no ebooks in Jag.
All those people that I just talked about do live trainings 6 days a week. As I said, everything is live and interactive in a special online conference room. There are training sessions all throughout the day and various marketing techniques. And, by the way, these are not theroies. They are techniques on how to make money in the real world in real time.
Plus, all those folks that are trainers are in Jag. They are not reading out of a book and telling you what to do. They are actually doing what they are telling you and are making money doing it. Plus, all those trainers are volunteers. They are not paid to have to be there. They want to be there to share. That makes a big difference.
One other thing, Al himself holds training sessions 7 different times every week. So, I beg to differ. With Jag, you are learning from the best in the business. Why do you think everybody in the industry is trying to copy the Jag business model. It's because it's the real deal, with real training (that works) and allows real folks to make real money.
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# Posted: 12 Sep 2007 15:13
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Hi DenyaBayne,
You made some excellent points about training and marketing.
Keep up the great work and keep blessing lives.
Tim
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# Posted: 4 May 2008 09:22
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Can someone who tried this marketing let me know the Return over investment and how much time does it take to generate money/traffic?
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# Posted: 4 May 2008 14:31
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Sure Lakshmi,
It's called Jaguar Marketing System now. I have had great
results with this program... but just like anything else you
have to be consistent.
Success in this industry - any program - takes more work than
you think it will, especially if you want to promote on the
internet only, because it's crowded online.
Unless you are playing this game "for keeps" I would tell
you to move on. This program is for serious people who want
to build a lot of income streams. It's for the teachable people,
it's for the practical people. It's for the people who have been
burned by all the hype and B.S. - because we give it to you
straight, with no Sugar.
We'll teach you professional-level Search Engine Optimization
skills - skills which can put a lot of money in your pocket and
power behind your business.... but YOU willhave to do the work
to succeed.
My return on Investment has been Large. I did the work. That's
all.
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