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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 4 Jan 2007 21:59
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Yes, Mailbumentor you said it not me...
Just put yourself in the shoes of the person or other program. How would you feel, if someone was doing that to you?
I guess I'm the type of person that sticks up for the little guy and I hate to see others cutting em down.
It's kind of funny when I was reading this forum I really wasn't refering to your post.. I was thinking of another situation, but apparently you felt like the guilty one.
I have a feeling you have attended some of my trainings, so you know what I teach and yes it is to brand and create an image for yourself.
I can be like a mother hen somtimes and don't like to see anyone or any program bashed or cut down just so the "bully" can shine.
Cindy McAsey
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2007 00:26
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Do I feel guilty, no not really. Chagrinned, yeah, a little. Like my position is legit?? definately.
There WAS a bit of a thread hijacking that occurred.
I've seen thread hijacks by people promoting PIF4P happen quite a lot, and I gotta confess, it has started to get annoying.
In fact, for a while I advocated promoting free training programs as a lead generation technique. However this strategy showed up to be flawed on futher testing... I think because the people had made no investment in committing to a decision.
I have seen it a lot even with Veretekk Silver signups. Most people never bother to attend the trainings... If they had paid for the system the situation could well be different...But as in all things...
People self-select for success.
And in fact I think the Lady who hijacked the thread above will be very successful when she sees the logic of branding herself, not her "upline", because she is assertive and a good writer... and apparently, extremely passionate about the programs she promotes, no matter what.
I'm not so loyal perhaps... when I see a consistent pattern of BS from a program I'll say what I see.
There are a lot of great programs out there... and you generally get a value in relation to what you pay for it. On the internet, when something is FREE, it seldom really is.
We have different syles perhaps. I'd rather shoot straight and piss some people off than hold my tongue when I could have saved somebody the heartbreak of being "taken".
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2007 02:02
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Jaguar/ Predator introduces a new affiliate program.
The WhyStart&neverQuit A HomeBusiness Affiliat program is LIVE!
This affiliate program promotes the tax advantages of having a home business and can be a useful thing to promote to anybody who is promoting any program online.
It costs $35 to set it up and $29.95/ mo. to maintain it... The affiliate program is sort of similar to the Veretekk Affiliate in that its weighted towards the bottom. I'm not going to try to explain it as I have decided not to promote it for the time being... as I have my hands full with other projects.
Still, by the time you get 4 or 5 people in the affiliate program "underneath" yourself, it will pay fopr itself. People who have a viable list may find that building such an affiliate organization is easy.
Its a high-quality flash movie and it promotes other businesses for you. Its sort of a version of Jaguar-MS... it looks very similoar in some respects.
As an educational tool it should be strong for informing potential business associates of the advantages to going into business, even one that doesn't make a profit.
I have posted a link to it in the webpage in my sig line... check it out.
Everybody who owns a Jaguar-ms at the Gold or Platinum level also gets the presentation but the affiliate program is an additional charge.
What this means is that Jaguar-MS system owners can't benefit from the WhyStart affiliate program but they will be able to use the WhyStart website as a marketing tool.
Still confused? thats the idea.
Not Really.
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2007 14:30
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Skype Comment I made to somebody who was interested in the system but unsure of whether it would work for him
"This is a business model that works and is here to stay. Whether you are up to the challenge of learning how to market it effectively is up to you.
It takes work to build any online business and while I feel that PAMS is the most advanced solution with fabulous training, you still will need to drive targeted traffic to your site to get results.
The live trainings teach a lot of different ways to do that. I don't use every method that is taught. SO I have found what works for me and you will have to invest energy in finding what works for you to be successful."
True with any business opp. really... except the "most advanced" part 
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2007 14:54
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Predator and Coastal Stink!
Incendiary headline recently spotted when I searched Google for "Predator Marketing System".... This person was promoting 1-step and EDC, programs with entry points in teh $297-997 range.
I think the reasoning goes that people are more likely to sign up with programs which cost under $1k to get started. You do need more signups however with these programs to compare with higher-dollar things so...
It really comes down to how your marketing and lead generation is targeted. It may be that the people who are easily targeted with Google ads (advertising method favored by a prominent EDC guru), are more averse to higher-dollar programs like Predator Marketing System, Jaguar Marketing System, Global Automated Prosperity, Wealth Masters International, Liberty League International, Emerald Passport, etc...
The real secret to getting a good income going with these higher-end programs is knowing how to target-market to people who can afford them and address their concerns. More affluent people, I think you may find, make less implusive decisions in business and want to have all the facts...
- they are less impressed by status symbols like nice cars, boats, or big houses. (if you are going after more working class demographics, these methods can be fruitful, but also competetitive, as we see with the typical get-rich pitch promoted via adwords with some programs).
- they are, in fact, not easily impressed by income claims at all. they want to know the details and are more inclinec to call you up and make a decision based upon your (as a sponsor) personality and knowledge. For this reason it pays to educate yourself a lot when promoting any of these wealth-creation programs... since its really about learning how to be a good marketer.
A natural outgrowth of learning solid marketing knowledge is the almost latent development of additional income from coachinhg and consultation... belive me, people will pay more that you think for your knowledge of internet marketing...
Its not just the system you should be promoting Folks, its yourself and all you bring to the table. Personally I consider it to be folly to pay fro traffic to a page that doesn't have your picture and some sort of BIO on it, solid copywriting and some evidence of vulnerability.
Look at it this way - This chest-beating you see a lot is only attractive to a certain segment of the market. Its very YANG, very masculine and is not attractive to a large protion of the market. When many people are looking at investing they feel vulnerable, and if you, as a potential sponsor, show some vulnerability too, thats disarming and attractive.
Contrast that with:
"I'm king of the mountain. Look at my big house and big car and income claim and I have the best system ever and you're foolish not to join me."
Said approach actually works for a short time with a limited market segment. I don't feel its sustainable or a responsible way to build organizations. It IS however the Alpha Male principle at work... but its not the only way to work it.
Personally, I can be alpha, but I don't have to be. When I can learn something I turn it right off... because humlility is essential to personal growth and, I think, progress as a leader in the industry.
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2007 16:06
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The pitch for Predator/Jaguar Marketing is way over the top.
"Do no work and it's going to market 8 other products for you also while you sleep?"
I mean, c'mon. If you're involved with it and you're making sales, you know that part is a lie, and if you don't know it, then you're not making sales. PAS was the same way, and look how that turned out when the Attorney General shut it down as a pyramid.
I don't know which one is worth.
But this kind of stuff is not real personal development.
My rule of thumb -- never market anything that does not have instinsic value in and of itself. And I know for the fact the Mentors On A Mission/Predator product is not worth $3000.
Emerald Passport, on the other hand is, and I can prove it to anyone. In fact, they are the ONLY company to actually let prospects USE the product before they buy.
Cheers,
Andrew Murray
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# Posted: 5 Jan 2007 17:01 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Okay dude, please yourself.
I for one have never told anybody that becoming a skilled marketer doesn't take work or commitment.
Keep in mind that the Predator/ Jaguar system will also close sales for any other program of your choice. I know that some people promoting EPI even are using the system to market EPI.
Of course with EPI you run the risk of being kicked out on your butt if they catch you promoting other income streams... but being in any business entails risk.
Jagua-MS is a marketing system and training program with over 25 live training classes week-in/week-out, lost of additional resources, etc.
Jaguar is a marketing SYSTEM that comes bundled with a lot of additional training. There is a 10-day money-back guarrantee on the program at any level. This is plenty of time.
Lets face it - systems that make the calls for you are becoming more common and more viable. Not only will Jaguar personel close sales of the system itself (1 income stream), they will close sales for any other program you choose (2 income streams. In addition, the progra components are broken up and sold individually through every system website (each pays a 50%) commission:
- the make money or make excuses training workshops (no-cost prospecting, how to be dangerous on the phone, and a lot more)
$1000
-the extended closing program with which pros will follow up and close sales in any business you choose. $1000 per year (included in Jaguar Platinum, with only a $100 per year renewal fee, Talk About VALUE!)
-The real estate course. $499.oo Current infomation my friends, not recycled stuff from the 80s and 90s.
-And more, including the WhyStart ANd Never Quit A Home Business presentation. Viewable in my sig line URL.
I'm more than happy to set anybody straight with regards to the value of this program. Its musch deeper than many perceive... but I can say that because I learned what the MOM course teaches and its been Crucial to My own Success.
Thanks for your comment Andrew.
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2007 02:02
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Mentors on a Mission|Predator Marketing System|Personal Development Programs|Beyond Freedom|Emerald Passport|
Its curious that some folks choose to label the Mentors on A Mission course as a personal development program... which is a little inaccurate.... its more of a business-building skill development program. There is material on mindset but the people who wrote the course focussed on developing skill. When you are confident in your skills, having a success mindset is not so challenging.
As far as direct sales and Personal Development I think that Liberty League's Beyond Freedom program is a leader here. LLI is the only compnay in the industry which has, to my knowledge, really focussed on "personal devlopment", ie. mindset... which is very different IMO from "skill development".
Both skill and a positive mindset are essential qualities most successful people have. The Mentors on a Mission training does offer some guidance on the development of the right mindset, but the real work, as always, is in the hands of the student.
On the other foot, the proprietary information taught in the Make Money or Make Excuses course is really focussed on skill development.
Just to clear up any confusion. Its never occurred to me to ever really compare MOM with EPI or for that matter LLI, except that the basic products all sold at more or less the same pricepoint with the same distributor profit - $1000 per sale.
Still, the MOM course is available with The Jaguar-MS Gold system for the same price $1500, and at that level its still the same one-up that qualifies to earn $1000 per sale.
There is, now, a second tier program in the Platinum system, which includes both the opportunity to earn $3000 ( upon qualifying) and the extended closing program and the real estate course.
One could argue whether the Platinum program itself is worth the additional cost over the Gold system based on product and services delivered... but as with EPI, LLI, and others, the business certainly can be worth the additional investment... Its really a matter of how much money the individual wants to make from his or her organization-building efforts.
In my experience most people want to come in at Platinum... they see the value. The reason some don't is purely a matter of financial circumstances, with everyone I have spoken with, anyway.
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# Posted: 10 Jan 2007 23:35
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Now that we have had a little comic relief... I actually encourage folks to check out the different systems out there.
The fellow who posted above is promoting Emerald Passport and the Profit Masters movie. Its an opportunity that is a good fit for some folks, and like anything, not for others.
I don't really subscibe to the notion that there IS a BEST in the Direct Selling industry, but clearly Chris does... he's positive he's found it.
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# Posted: 11 Jan 2007 19:13
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I agree with malibumentor. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder just as success is in the determination of the student. You can be in the best program or training around but if you don't contribute your own time or efforts to it then you will fail. That's probably about the only guarantee that most of those items being discussed should offer.
Remember that old saying, there is no free lunch? Well, it's still true. You can't accomplish anything without paying some sort of price (time, effort, dollars, etc). Look at it this way. Whatever you think, you're right. If you join something and you feel in the back of your mind that you will fail, then you're right. If you feel you don't have enough time for this or that, then you're right. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will achieve what you believe. Unfortunately for a lot of folks that is failure.
On the other hand, for me (and hopefully you), success is just a decision. If you believe that you will succeed and are willing to focus all your attention towards it, you will achieve it. Keep in mind here that success means different things to different people and that is exactly what I think is one of the keys to success.
You have to be able to define it for you. Definition is a real key to success. If you never define in your own mind what your success ship looks like then when are you ever going to know when your ship actually comes in?
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# Posted: 16 Jan 2007 20:50
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right on Denya, Success as a decision works because the committed decision INPIRES action... and education.
Success in this industry is, despite the systems in place, a very individual path. We all have to discover how to OWN our own success, how to have a strong WHY.
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# Posted: 17 Jan 2007 12:32
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Hello Malibu,
I do like the second part of your comment: Education.
If someone is looking to become part of an opportunity, they should treat it like a business. Like I said before, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you wanted to become a Doctor, it would take education. If you wanted to get a job at McDonalds, it would also take some training. I look at it this way: You have to LEARN TO EARN.
So, if you are looking to join some type of Money Making Opportunity, see what sort of resources are available not only from the company, but also from your sponsor. I feel the sponsor is almost more important than anything else.
We've all had good and bad teachers in school. Doesn't it make sense to join a good teacher? Especially, when you're investing your hard earned money. So, Buyer Beware. Do your homework. Stack as many cards in the deck in your favor as you possibly can.
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# Posted: 19 Jan 2007 13:50
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Content of an Email I sent out to my Organzation in Predator/ Jaguar-ms, hopefully it can help some people see the big picture of how success with this program works...
Hey folks, even if we haven`t spoken, I am in your "upline" in the
Jaguar uni-level. I`m here to assist you with my knowledge and
experience, so drop me a line sometime.
When you got involved with Jaguar you probably had this idea that a few ads on the internet would start the traffic and sales rolling in.
Unfortunately, people are bombarded with over 3000 marketing messages every day, so standing out in that environment can be a challenge.
What does this mean for you? Simply, marketing on the net takes some skill. Its really important to have your own webpage with your own domain you control. DOn`t just use this page to sell Jaguar, use it as a bridge so people can get to know you and want to do business with you.
Crafting a REAL message is a critical part of getting your marketing
going. Do some research... click on ads, look at how other people are marketing online and aks yourself whether you would repond to that page and give that person $4000.oo This is a business of building trust and long-term relationships...
and so while anybody you bring into the business needs to be
responsible for their own success, its still a good idea connect with
people...
and...
Build a list.
The jaguar system sites don`t collect emails except when people request a call-back, so you should have a website that collects email addresses and automatically sends out email messages. You will need an autoresponder like GetResponse or Aweber to do this effectively.
Personally I like to let people who look at my pages know WHY I am in the business... and people who relate to my reasons are inclined to sign up for my email series.
I would say, don`t just enter into the internet screaming match "my
opportunity is better", but roll out a reasonable argument for WHY this business model makes sense and explain the way its a benefit to your life ...
- time freedom for example.
Look, there are 6 emotional triggers that work with the mass market...
but Jaguar isn`t really a mass-market product... its a niche product.
Now these 6 triggers are:
-fear
-greed
-sex
-desire for social status
-speed
-and ease
I try not to market into fear or greed. And with Jaguar I think sex
isn`t real valid. Desire for social status is a funny one. I think its
been done to death and comes off as disingenous. The major example we see with this in Network marketing is people posing with their cars (which makes no sense to me... but some folks clearly find it attractive).
Now The way I market with Jaguar is with Speed and Ease as the
triggers. Its not neccessarilly obvious, but I do feel these are the primary benefits of the system...however it still takes time and though to set up a smart marketing plan.
and lets face it...
If you came into this business with no marketing experience... you have a lot to learn. No shame in that. Its just the way things are.
Now let me ask you this-
How many books about marketing have you read in your entire life?
The answer should give you an idea of what you should be doing. If you have never read any books about marketing I suggest the Guerilla Marketing series as a starting point.
Give me some feedback on this... I want to know what you want to know about.
email me at [email protected]
regards,
Loren Woirhaye
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# Posted: 25 Jan 2007 13:49
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Well said. Communication is a large part of any business whether it be online or offline. Also, as you say, education is very important.
Everybody is a newbie at some point. Everyone needs a helping hand now and again to get to the top of the internet marketing pile. That's where we arrive back at the 'Teacher'. We've all had good ones and bad ones. Ones we've learned from and ones that just provided us with a great nap time.
That's why I always default my business oportunity decisions back to the sponsor. Sure, the opportunity is of #1 importance. But, who you join under is just as important. Look at it this way: do you want to make some money or just catch up on your sleep.
Investing hard earned money is a big decision. Do your homework. Afterall, nobody is in this for their health. Obviously the love of money is a bad thing. But the need for it is reality. Do your due diligence on any opportunity you may be looking at, but also check what your sponsor has to offer you to help you succeed. Stack as many of the cards in the deck in your favor.
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# Posted: 28 Jan 2007 20:37
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I just dont get this at all. I understand the 'learn how to market properly' stuff but what I dont get is, just what is on sale here?
I would dearly like to be financially free but I am not prepared to spend money on dreams.
The video says that they will use professionals to close sales for you....but this takes me to the beginning of this mail.....what is on sale?????
I want facts not abstracts.
I live in the UK so would this program work here?
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2007 02:29 · Edited by: malibumentor
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I have sponsored people in at least 4 countries into this program.
So working this program in the UK is not a problem. Its been distributed in at least 30 countries.
The product is an education for yourself in how to do this kind of business. It has worked for me, so I gotta say, it works. I spent over $120,ooo on a college degree, but I got my education in marketing and running a home-based business through the MOM course and other training, which I INVESTED IN.
Education is an Investment in yourself. It is not an investment in pleasure like a big screen TV set. It is not an investment in the stock market. It is an investment in preparing yourself for a more prosperous future.
In this case purchasing the educational progam also includes the opportunity to resell that program and make some money. To make reselling the program easier there is a team of Pros who make the phone calls and close the sales for you... though if you prefer to close your own sales you may do so.
Additionally, at the Platinum level there is an opportunity to make still more money reselling the entire system at maximum profit. Most people who buy prefer to join at this level, though some do not due to lack of funds.
I hope this answers your questions.
The product is an education and included with it is a system to make reselling the product easier and also building other income streams easier. The value is there for those who see the value in such things.
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# Posted: 29 Jan 2007 18:14
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I, like Malibu, agree that this is indeed a worldwide opportunity. I have someone coming in later this week from of all places, Nigeria. They (and you) can certainly enjoy success no matter where they are phsically.
As you might be aware, there are a couple of different levels of Predator. They come with differents products and different compensation amounts. By far the most popular is the Platinum level so I try to answer your question with that in mind.
The Platinum level is a 1-up plan. Once you have completed your qualifying sale you're home free. You will then earn $3000 on every Platinum system sale and $1000 on Gold system sale that your site makes for you.
Here is a basic list of what a Platinum level system includes:
1. You actually receive a number of fully functional websites that are all designed to market your Predator System. What I do is actually market all of them instead of just one. I even promote them against each other. I find that the more presence you have on the web, the better. Here are just a couple of the sites that I have, that came with Predator for no extra cost: Predator, Jaguar, WhyStart...
Lots of folks just pick on one opportunity, but you can actually make good money from all. That is why I am so agressive and promote them all at once. They won't cost you anymore, but they can make you more.
2. Make Money or Make Excuses training course
This is a course that has sold all over the internet for $1500. It is very powerful. Plus you can not only make use of the training (which I strongly recommend), you can also sell it as a stand alone product. You also get a website for that and it is also subltly designed to market the Predator system. This is actually a very well know course and program. It is very dynamic and can also make you money on the side by selling it alone.
3. Journey Continues training course
This is a continuation of the MOM training. It can also be sold as a stand alone product but will also be very beneficial to you on a personal basis.
4. Why Start and Never Quit Website
Another fully funtional website that you can market (as well as learn from). This is a brand new addition to Predator family. It and all other enhancements are free of charge. They are all designed to be used in conjunction with Selling Predator, but they also have the option of marketing them alone. Here again, you get a website for the Why Start System.
5. Live Training
This in itself is phenomenal. Classes are live and interactive and are held in a Corporate conference room on the internet. Everything is live and real time. You can ask any question you like and discuss any topic that is related to helping everybody make money. It is a real family type of environment where everybody is out to help each other. It is the greatest training I have found on the web. There is different training for each website as well as the overall System. Classes are held all day, everyday, throught the day. So, you can log on any time you have the time and get the info you feel you need. You can even record the info if you need to get back to it later.
6. Professional Advisors closing your system sales for you I love this part. I don't mind talking to people. But I don't like talking to window shoppers. And, it's not that I don't like talking to them, it's that I would rather spend my time more productive. So, I let the Advisors do all the talking. If I need to step in fine. But then I know I'm talking to somebody that is serious about making money.
There are other things as well, but these are the highlights. You can market all these products individually or together or even do what I do which is market them against each other. The end goal is to make money with each and every product, but the big bucks are in the Predator system.
You might also want to check out the "Products' page of the site you are reviewing.
You may even want to request a Call Back from one of the Advisors. They will answer any additional questions one on one with you. It's a pretty laid back type of conversation. They aren't there to pressure anyone. They are just there to provide information and answer questions.
Well, I've taken about enough of your time for today. Hopefully this answers your question. If not, you know where to find me.
Talk to you soon,
Denya
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2007 13:16
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Hi ya'll knowledgeable folks...boy! you are certainly takers. I only wish you could say more...
1.-Could somebody just put in black and white, straight, to the point, the shortest version, etc. WHAT IS ON SALE HERE? . . .
Not that is really really good product, that you can do a lot if you work it...
HEY, what can you do with this, uh, systems. . . exactly?
Are they programs to place ads to get leads from the internet and you can do that with different products, including selling the predator, MOM, and the like as well??
2.-Also, it seems that you guys direct your talks to the other knowledgeable people and leave us neofites in the dark with your PAS, platinum and other levels, EPI, etc. ..AND don't say that it is to save space 'couse you guys use up a lot of it with your hype.
Now, take me for example, I am just about to join Coastal and amongst my alternatives are the Coastal Synergy Group, the Callcenter, etc. so far, and now I read about Predatos, Jaguar, Emerald Passaport, etc., etc., ... So, I'm confused, but I could be a prospect to buy whatever the heck you are selling IF I only knew/understand what you guys are talking about.
The best mark of a good writer is to say the most with the least.
Now, if you guys wish to contionue with your little, exclusive, know-it-all club. . .so be it!
On the other hand if you wish to expand your lead base, spread the word brothers, uh...CLEARLY AND TO THE POINT so people like me can become a real prospect, not just a tire-kicker.
Please, use your glosolalia sporadically and speak to us plain folks, plainly. No advise needed anymore, just describe the basis of the Systems. . . Thankyou! !
.Joe.
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2007 13:49
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Hello Joe,
I understand what you are talking about. Sometimes when we think we know a little, we get a liitle too big for our britches. I know where you're coming from, because everybody is a newbie a some point.
Let me break it down, not necessarily to it's smallest parts, but instead, right down to reality... the bottom line.
If you are honest with yourself like I tried to be when I wanted to become part of something, my main concern is how do I make money at this. As long as the company was stable and everything they were doing was legal, I could care less what the product was. My main concern was: How much can I make and can I help others make the same. That's it.
The next thing I was concerned about was if I could actually see myself doing this and being able to duplicate that success for others. So, the next thing that concerned me was training. Was I going to get help not only from the company, but my sponsor as well.
The third thing was my level of commitment. Am I going to give this 100% and treat it like a business or am I just going to see how easy it is and blame my failure on others?
As far as I'm concerned, those are the 3 most important things for a newbie to consider before investing in an internet business. If you come up with a negative response to any of these questions, then certainly don't quit your day job. You most likely will fail and have wasted your hard earned money.
That's about as down to the basics as I can get. There is no such thing as a free lunch. If that is what you are looking for, then you will fail. If you believe or have been told that all you need is a website and they will come, you will fail. There's more to it than that. That's why the training is so important.
I personally spent a few months looking at various possibilities on the internet. I asked myself the same 3 questions above. That's how I ended up where I am.
I have no idea what glosolalia is. But, I am just a plain folk like you. Not an internet guru or computer whiz or geek by any means. I'm just a blonde with a high school diploma. However, I am very serious about my business.
As for describing the basis of the systems, they are all the same. You sell something, you make money. As for what you are selling, the truth is that most people don't really care. They just want to make money. When most folks look deep in the mirror, they will usually find that what I just said is absolutely true for them too. That's why the stability, legitimacy and training are even more important than the product itself.
This may sound a little blunt. But it appeared as though you wanted everything broken down to the bare bones. I always tell it like I see it. You can certainly private message me whether you agree or disagree at: [email protected]
Hey, Malibu, where are you? I haven't heard from you in a while.
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# Posted: 2 Feb 2007 14:50
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Joe, there are a ton of programs and you can make money with most of them if you are willing to do the work to understand the marketing techniques that will bring the right kind of buyers to you.
Jag/predator is based around the Mentors on A Mission training course. In the left hand menu on my sig line website there is a link that says "positive cashflow"... I suggest youy listen to that recording, its from the mentors on a mission course.
People in EPI, Liberty, Coastal, and other programs have all purchased and benefitted from the Mentors on A Mission training... and many never even made an effort to resell the MOM course.
The Predator/ JAG system is a massive update to the older DigitalMarketingSystem Mentors had.
The way an automated system works is this: You don't have to call people and qualify them for a business presentation call... they look at the business presentation online and if they like it they request a call-back.
With JAG, you can do the callback yourself or have a "closer" do it for you... it just depends on your own skill level with making sales and knowledge of what you are selling.
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On a side note... I do informational marketing. By producing content on a consistent basis and feeding it into my websites I please the search engines and get more traffic.
There is no desire to confuse anybody... nor engage in misleading rhetoric.
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Bottom line. Success in any business requires work and investment of capital (which pays for marketing expenses and the education to make wise business decisions).
I am a Liberty League promoter too... its not like I have to choose one bizop or another.
As Harv Eker says: "Poor people think they can have one or the other, rich people choose both."
There are a world of options for building wealth in this industry, and using the resources and systems provided with JAG/Predator are part of what works for me.
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jlDunn
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# Posted: 5 Feb 2007 16:53
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Hi Joe,
I am a member of Coastal and don't understand a lot of what you said. And to answer your question to the best of my knowledge -
1. What is on sale here - well of course the product (wholesale vacations) and second - the business. I am a Coastal Synergy Group member and could tell you alot more about the group and it's support, training, marketing, and business end of things then I could about the product.
That is because when we look at our market, we have 2 of them - travellers (Wholesale travel packages) and people looking to make money (Home Base Business Opportunity).
I am not sure about the systems and all but that is how I see it.
2. As for the levels - there are only 3 - Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3.....and a combination of them......
But if you are looking at the business level, then there are only 3 levels 1, 2, & 3 because you can only market what you invested.
Example - If you came in at level 2 then you invested in the L1 & L2 combo package so you could sell both.
That is how I see it, and that is how I like to put it to prospects - if you want to learn more about the differences between groups then you are going to get the business mumble jumble between groups.....that is how they market themselves over another.
Hope that helps, if you want more info you can email me:
[email protected]
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 6 Feb 2007 01:28
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Coastal, Jaguar - 1-ups and 2-ups, pay out on 1 level.
they are what is called unilevel compensation plans.
What this means is that once you pass up your qualifying sale(s) you start building an organization of your own who will pass up sales to you... at whatever level your qualification qualifies you for.
Confused yet?
I know I am.
I know I make money doing this though.
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Denya Bayne
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# Posted: 7 Feb 2007 01:02
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Confused YET??? I started out confused. So many different business models. So many different compensation plans. It is hard sometimes to work through all of that.
One way I used to work my way through all of that was simple. Every site I looked at I separated it's contents into 2 parts. One part I could care less about. The other part was exactly what I was looking for. To me, I wanted hope, not hype. The way I see it is that you can't spend hype. But hope, now that's something I can work with.
That was it for me. I just wanted the facts. Show me some real testimonies and explain the program in layman's terms. Give me the bottom line. That's how I ended up where I am. Hope that helps.
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traveler
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2007 09:59
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Great point there about hope! Never thought of it that way, but you are right! For me, a good program is something I think I can get passionate about and then apply my own level of motivation, attitude, etc.
Me, I sort of like a bit of sizzle/hype if I think I can win with it!
Live well!
Press on and prosper! 
jgd
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2007 12:41
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Truth is - And I am on THIN ICE here- a great many people will BUY HOPE... with no real committment to doing the work and learning that success in this game requires.
I have sold a lot of high-ticket programs to people who weren't willing to be consistent in:
-learning more about marketing every day
-consistently working on their own marketing every day
I know this, because they would be calling me more often with questions about how to do this and that, SEO, PPC, Website design, Copywriting Critiques, etc..
SO- to be honest, YOU (anybody out there) can succeed BRILLIANTLY in this industry... but its not about the opportrunity, or the product or even the price point (if you take the time to study the writing of Dan Kennedy this price point stuff will get clear), its about YOU, and the value YOU assign to yourself.
When its comes down to it, Jaguar is worth the price because:
A) we say it is.
B) Because my personal experience with the training is that its what allowed me to become successful in this industry - coming from a place of NO EXPERIENCE in Network Marketing.
I'm saying right HERE - don't bother joining any Direct Sales program if you don't have the discipline to work on marketing and improving yourself every day.... because while you might get lucky and make a sale once in a while, chances are you won't... and thats the truth.
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Denya Bayne
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# Posted: 16 Feb 2007 17:44
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Craaaaaaack!!! You didn't just step in it, you fell all the way through it. But, evn though you got all wet, you're still right.
Any folks that get involved in a business, have to treat it that way no matter how much it costs. I think you can be profitable in a passive manner, but unfortunately, lots of people want to be wildly successful without having to do anything.
I wish it worked that way, but it doesn't. We all live in the real world. Life happens. Whatever you decide to get involved with, make the commitment to get involved in the training. Get your hands dirty. Learn a little something here and there.
A definite fact in this business is that a little education goes a long ways. Just think about what could happen if you were actually even more committed to your own success!!!
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2007 01:02
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Personal Downline Builders is a new 1-up which sells
for $1000.oo. Qualified resellers make $500 on each
sale.
There is a bonus for people who get in before the launch.
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 23 Feb 2007 12:31 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Professionals will follow up with EVERY LEAD you
generate (not purchased leads, sorry. But you can
buy traffic to a lead capture page, which is sort
of similar to buying leads), answer questions and
CLOSE that PROSPECT on your business (I'll be using
this for Liberty League Int.), and upsell that
person on buying PDB.
Its about the most innovative program I have yet
seen. Nobody else has a competing product. With
PDB you can have SOMEBODY ELSE make all the phone
calls to people who are interested in:
-Melaleuca, Xango, Isagenix, Emerald Passport,
Coastal Vacations, LLI, Herbalife, Quixtar,
etc...
With PDB you won't have do phone work ever. You can
concentrate on marketing or training your salesforce...
or whatever you are good at. Its about delegation.
It comes with the Jaguar Gold and Platinum system and
is available seperately. The release of this program is
creating a jump in Jaguar sales.
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jlDunn
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# Posted: 2 Mar 2007 18:20
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That's pretty cool....How does it work for your own personal business Like cv?
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malibumentor
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# Posted: 2 Mar 2007 19:13
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PDB staff call all your new leads that come in and answer their questions. They are trained to close your sales as well - so they do have the objective of getting the prospect into at least one of your programs - without pressure of course.
Its not a presentation or invitation call however. Obviously this won't work with the common tactic of concealing which business op you are promoting until after you have "qualified"the prospect. The prospect goes through one of the PDB lead capture forms and is exposed to enough information about your bizops that he or she requests a call.
For Veretekk leads they will be called re: Veretekk and then walked through PDB, Jag (if you have it) and your primary bizop benfits - assuming they are receptive.
It may seem like its more complicated than capturing a lead with a generic "beach and cars lifestyle" page, calling and qualifying, and THEN sharing what business you are in... but the trend is towards people wanting to know a lot about the business model before they agree to have a conversation... so if you were to promot coastal with PDB you would want to make sure your leads had some quality information about the Coastal bizop and compensation plan...
There's more to it obviously from the "closer" side of it - theres a very advanced system that moves the leads around very quickly so the PDB closer can call them and get them back to the client... but from the PDB cliend side you get reports and notifications of what the status of the lead is... and if the prospect is real serious he or she will probably just pick up the phone and call you at that point (especially with a higher-ticket program like Coastal).
Hope this explanation clarifes more than confuses.
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