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barefootmentor
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2006 21:39
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Quoting: cost123 # Posted: 11 Nov 2006 05:25
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barefootmentor
Thank you for your advice....
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How are you doing with your predator-marketing sales?
Hi Cost123, I've moved away from one up sales program's and my focus is on training and consulting. I still support the people on my team that wish to promote it though.
I'm in a good position because I've built a large customer base of people who order products month after month. Now I can focus on training and working with people who haven't quite figured out their niche to make a good living online.
I'm also in the process of developing a franchise online for people who want to protect their health, create more wealth and discover their dream lifestyle. As soon as this new program launches I'll be changing all my re-directs.
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2006 15:35 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Jaguar Marketing System| Predator Marketing System| Financial freedom| Mentors on a Mission| Automated wealth program|
The Jaguar Marketing System has been released. It is a sister-site to Predator Marketing System and shares the same technology... it just looks different.
Some people did not feel comfortable promoting Predator Marketing System because they had a judgement about the name. The Jaguar Marketing System is named for a kitty-kat, so everybody who likes cute fuzzy creatures will like the Jaguar Marketing System much better.
Financial Freedom is definitely attainable with this technology and... ahem... the right mentor who is a great marketer and generous teacher. However it requires rolling up one's sleeves and going to work.
Its unfortunate that the system that inspired Jaguar Marketing System folded a few months ago. At present Jaguar stands alone in the field so there is nothing to compare it with.
In the near future this Automated Wealth Program is sure to head into momentum... and when it does, those who have the correct skills will be in a positition to prosper for life.
Mentors on a Mission is a training company that was started with the intention of "putting 10,000 people on the enlighetened path to financial freedom". Its something I am honored to be part of and the Jaguar Marketing System is so far ahead of anything else out there I think people are actually confused by it.
There is no reason to be confused... but there is reason to buckle down and start learning how to really market on the net. Because
if the internet today seems like a
Singing...
Dancing...
Extravaganza....
You Ain't seen Nothin' YET!
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# Posted: 11 Dec 2006 07:56
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Relative to the Predator Marketing System, back in June Malibumentor said the following: "Going with adwords is virtually a waste of time, and money." As a general rule, PPC is considered both expensive and highly targeted. I would be interested in learning more about why Adwords is not an effective way to promote PMS if the money is available for that type of promotion.
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2006 11:58 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Oh it works... if you do it right. Most people don't and it can be pretty discouraging if its done wrong.
I think what I meant was that advertising for the keyterm "Predator marketing System" was just not smart. First page positions will cost you and its going to mostly be people trying to figure out their own marketing. I have a pretty good idea of who is searching for "predator marketing system" and "jaguar marketing system" because I control pg. 1 organic listing positions in Google.
Success with PPC requires research and a lot of thought... and campaigns should ideally have continuity from the keywords to the ad, from the ad to the squeeze page.
This means that for every keyword group you will want a squeeze page designed to appeal to the type of people who are searching for those keywords.
Continuity from search to click to page view to lead capure requires getting in the customer's shoes in a significant way.
Continuity in marketing is making sure that the customer's expectations are met in a lot of ways. The secrets lie in appealing to:
1.their minds and good sense
2.their higher values and optimism
3.Lower values like flat out greed, and even fear.
4.Their emotions.
Good advertising headlines appeal to people mentaly, emotionally , AND spiritually.
Maybe this is too deep.
I almost lost my shirt on adwords and I know there is a lot of potential to flush money down the toilet with it. You can argue with Adwords experts all day, but its your money you will be spending on it.
The traffic can be highly targeted, but the bizop field is real crowded with PPC, so taking a different angle is wise. PPC should be part of any sensible online marketing campaign... but only part.
Tread cautiously, fellow traveller.
P.S. The guys who are using PPC for this term are making large boasts about their incomes. Some of them are not being truthful, I think. There is money to be made by misleading people, but I choose not to so so. Income claims may soon (thankfully) be illegal and are against the regulations of many direct sales companies, but not, at this point, Mentors on A Mission.
P.P.S - many of the folks advertising this program are also trying to get sales by bundling other offers, like "benefactored" entry into other programs. This is in clear violation of terms of service of the PAMS licence agreement. The founder of Mentors on A Mission is apparently not pushing this issue right now... but at some point compliance with the rules will become an issue.
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2006 14:28 · Edited by: Homebizmom
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I'm going to throw a new twist in here. I have been involved in some high dollar, thus very comprehensive training over the past few years.
I went into it to learn how to market a long term residual income. I like most of the students signed up into the data base, got dazeled by the short term money to be made with the system.
I did make a lot of money using what I learned, but I worked very hard. By the way, that money was made marketing the system, not my primary long term residual. Big difference! If I had put the same effort into marketing my primary, I'd have been set alot sooner. I did learn alot of lessons.
I understand that the Preditor system commisions out from $1,000-3,000. It doesn't take a genious to know there's a huge investment to get in. Most people getting into this business don't even have a clue, let alone that kind of money.
All of my experience revolves around telephone and leads, so now I am back in the (serious) learning mode or the student seat. I want to know how to internet market effectively, efficiantly and cost effectivly. We all need to work our way into business, not spend our way out. I've witnessed alot of road kill along the way, from alot of wolves in sheeps clothing. I have unwittingly been one of them. Not anymore!
You can either pay thousands - or - get the same information for free. Either way it will require hard, dedicated, perservering, persistant and consistant work. No way around it. The problem is, there are too many people suckered into the dream, that if you throw alot of money at it, you don't have to work at it. Not true. I'll say it again, not true at all.
It's not will it work, it's will you work?
If one has gone and obtained all the free stuff, then and only then should you go and use some of your earnings from that route to reinvest in higher dollar education. We can never learn too much!
I don't want it to be construed that I am saying there is no value in high dollar education. There is value in all education, but go out and take advantage of the free training first!
If you have what it takes, and you will only know you have what it takes after you get in and start putting one foot infront of another, then you will make money and you can reinvest from those earnings and not mortgage your home.
If anyone is interested, I give lots of free info, free advertising, free training links in my blog.
http://MakeHugeMoneyOnline.BlogSpot.com.
Blessing!
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2006 15:13 · Edited by: malibumentor
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I beg to differ a little on the notion that $4k is a lot of money to start a business. Its not, especially for those who go in with their eyes open.
The amount of capital we invest in building our businesses is reflected by what we get out of them. Now I went in with the intention of creating financial freedom, not to earn a few bucks here and there... so I am what you would call a serious-minded person in this regard. Since I am up front that building one of these businesses takes work, I attract similar-minded folks who are looking to have their efforts pay-out in a meaningful way.
I have noticed that "free" programs attract people who are looking to build something with no investment. Most fail because they have little reason not to. Life gets in the way, etc... and financial freedom remains a pie-in-the-sky dream.
I am in the business of marketing something-for-something, not something for nothing. For myself, I relaized from the get-go that if I wasn't willing to really put my money on the line, I would most likely loose focus and not get anywhere. My financial committment to myself, my education, and building my business was a tough one to make- but totally worthwhile.
With regards to free training... unfortunately "free" is tremendously undervalued on the net. I know this because people sign up with Veretekk all the time and don't take advantage of the free training.
How do I know this? I know when the Silver members log in. So for those who really want to learn to market on the internet and are willing to actually show up for classes, Veretekk has that. That's where I started... and I am doing very well now.
I worked very hard however. And I also invested considerbly in other education. What is taught in the Mentors on A Mission training is NOT what is taught in PIF4P or any other free training program out there. The Mentors on A Mission training tells a part of the story you are unlikely to find elsewhere.
95% of the folks marketing on the net are not successful because they don't comprehend the way it really works. No free training program teaches how it really works. It would be too dangerous.
I have spoken with many, many people who have been trying to scratch out an income on the internet for 5 years or more, most never making more than a few bucks here and there.
In contrast, I built a successful business in 10 months of internet marketing. I didn't do it by being reluctant or afraid to INVEST in my education and personal development.
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2006 16:40 · Edited by: Homebizmom
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4K is not alot of money for someone who has made 5K in the biz already, but for most people who don't have any idea what kind of commitment it takes to get in there and work a successful business, it's a fortune.
You said that you know alot of people who haven't stepped up to the free training. How many of the paid people have not stepped up and been a success as well?
A few years ago I put my last dime into some training and I got busy making it happen. I was a pit bull. I didn't let up. I then became a master instructor and worked with alot of students. I witnessed over 4000 students who spent alot of money on the same training that was responsible for my success, I am only aware of less than 100 who had the commitment to do what it takes. That is 2.5% and the fact is, less than 5 % will make it in this industry and 95% will fail because they are dreamers and the marketers know that.
The lower emotions you refer to in your comment on Dec 12th, of greed, fear and emotion are what people are driven by not good sence. They don't have good educated sense yet. You being the great marketer you are, know this and capitalize on this.
Once one is trained to make value decitions with the mind and good sence, then one can think for himself. Too late for the person who already spent $4000 on greed and emotion.
How much we spend on training is not reflective of what we will get, however who we are as commited individuals coupled with great advertising, is reflective of what we will receive out of it. If I had had free training offered to me, like I now have, I would have done just as well. Those people who didn't do well with the same training could find out using the free training what they were made of as well. Again, after they make the money working the system, reinvest into more expensive training. The wise marketer will always be investing in his learning!
I would venture to guess, you didn't spend $25K out of your own pocket. I mean, you probably made alot of that before you invested more. Just like I turned 500 into 18k before reinvesting.
PIF4P teaches exactly what your program teaches for free and what it is lacking, I make up for by giving away what I know as a master marketer, that is for the very serious people in my organization. Just like you do for those who spend $4k with you.
Side note; a great organization is not made up of one great mind, but many.
By the way, being in business isn't totally free. If you are a relatively new marketer, save the $4000 in training costs and use that money for advertising you will be trained to appropriatly use. Good new is, that cost will come back to you very fast! Then you reinvest more, make more, reinvest more etc...
There's nothing wrong with your training, but the primary purpose in business is to make as much money as possible and have the time to enjoy the fruits of your labors.
Right?
I am sharing with indviduals reading this, the fact that I am very fortunate to be associated with a program and a couple of guys who have created a brilliant system that turns marketing upside down by giving it all away.
When you share what you know for free you will have gained the trust of your prospects beyond measure.
This system is brilliant beyond the imagination, because it teaches people for free how to effectivly market any business, and it even teaches people the steps neccessary to evaluating the validity of whatever network marketing company their interested in getting involved with.
For example if people didn't know or understand how to evaluate a marketing company they could be venturing into something that won't be profitable, by no falt of their own. The goal is to show someone how to make 6 figures a year with 500 people or less in your organization. For example, I know several companies where it takes 2500 or more people to make that kind of money. But by the same token I know companies where you only need 500 to make $100,000 per year. Those are the companies to take a closer look at. There are 6 more crutial steps to look at before pulling the trigger. Here's the free resource that's offered, http://masteringyourprimary.com/mlmdiva.
That is supposing people are looking for long term residual income where they can walk away for a vacation or two or three, come back with out skipping an income beat.
This is basic information that people need to know before going forth and spending great big gobs of money. Business will cost money, but if you do it right, it won't be your own.
Free Training is not the end, just the beginning!
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2006 18:27 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Clearly you wish to use this thread as a podium to promote your PIF4P business. I can't fault you for your ambition but I will say my piece about the program you are promoting.
I was in fact involved with PIF4P and they had a consistent pattern of overpromising and underdelivering.
Some people may dislike me for this... I don't think reading the PIF4P training is bad idea. I think promoting the program itself is.
Here's Why:
When you promote these guys you are promoting somebody else. Plain and simple, they have enrolled large numbers of people to promote THEM as super-duper networkers and nice guys, when in fact Better Business Bureau reports indicate that Paul Birdsall is anything but an ethical businessperson.
Should anyone wish to research PIF4P and its founders I suggest they begin here. The Better Business Bureau of Manitoba & Northwest Ontario
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Look, I really wanted to believe that the Funded Sponsoring franchise was a good system at one time. But it really just promotes these two dudes, not you, and not your ideas or your values, and that is its fundamental, tragic flaw... because PB has a history of Ripping People Off!
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# Posted: 12 Dec 2006 20:33 · Edited by: Homebizmom
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Interesting.
How can you be guilty over overstating or ripping people off if the program is free?
If the training doesn't work then why would you even read the training? If it's good enough to use, then it's good enough to share, I think.
I would question the BBB and their reporting methods because Every big biz out there has been reported by someone to the BBB.
Infact our $400 million primary company was listed as one of the Forbes Top 5 Cash Rich Companies in America, in the October 2006 issue & also one of the top 10 best small companies in America listed in the June 2005 issue of Buisness Week Magazine, they are listed with the BBB as unsatifactory. So what to do with that?
Back to PIF4Ps, how can a bad company be top of Alexa ratings in 6 month time? This doesn't make sense. It shows me they know what they are doing and I want to know how to do the same thing.
The proof is in the pudding so to speak.
I am the kind of person that I am looking for, just show me how to do it and let's get busy and make money together.
One more thing, the reason I gave up 6 figures a year by promoting the expensive training program, is exactly the reason you are saying PIF4Ps is no good. The program focused on the trainers and not on me. The term is positioning and professional marketing is all about that.
I am now putting into practice marketing myself, who I am and what I have to offer using the PIF4Ps system and I am offering others my expertise and advise. This forum is one of those methods I was taught, also blogging and article writing. Unfortunatly, I know what I know and it will rub some gurus the wrong way, especially if it saves the prospect his money.
I really don't want to ruin your day, I just wanted new marketers to do some work first and save alot of money. The serious marketers who are ready for what you have are not who I am talking to.
Best to you!
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 12:26 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Terri, you came on this thread with the clear intention of recruiting for your PIF4P business. You asserted that your program and yourself have all the knowledge taught in MOM , which it doesn't and you don't.
PIF4P training is okay, the funded proposal biz's they promote are second rate generally.
Here's a rundown,
-GDI is overpriced hosting. may be worth it as a biz-op if you wanna bust-ass.
-Traffi Oasis leads suck big time and are overpriced, incentivized and not targeted. Totally not recommended and pricey to set up.
-Traffic Swarm... ok, its harmless.
-Success University is overpriced and difficult for many people to promote. As a Binary, it is flawed and the delivery of the product is second rate.
-PushButton Leads- IS a J.o.k.e.
I am sure they have added more now.
The internet is overrun with zealots who are following the PIF4P agenda and they are unintentionally creating this crazy cult-like following for Birdsall and Broughton (see BBB report above, pertaining to Birdsall himself, not any mlm company he repped. He has personally racked up more complaints than just about any other biz in the district). You, Terri, are promoting these GUYS, not yourself.
Terri, you have a lot to share, but you are leading people into a program that is very cleverly packaged and I will take a stand that this program ,PIF4P - while it looks swell on the surface, is in fact NOT what it appears to be.
The internet marketing success guide was pretty much PLAGIARIZED from Mike Dillard's Magnetic Sponsoring. Its full of affiliate links which make Birdsall and Broughton richer, not you.
The reason PIF4P is set up the way it is is to create:
Fear Of Loss
People will upgrade in all these programs because they get sold on the idea that they will lose money (which passes up to their sponsor) if they don't. Its an old tactic and its used in a very sly manner to build massive downlines for the founders of PIF4P (and have those downlines all BRANDING the founders as the Messiahs of Internet Marketing) who make it seem like they are doing you a favor "picking the best programs out there for you" and letting you pick 1 primary bizop.
Stone Evans The Home Biz Guy has a system which is similar and in fact PIF4P is derived from it. The difference is YOU get to pick the programs.
Joe Schroeder, the father of the Funded Proposal in network marketing has a system which is way superior as a funded proposal AND brands YOU as a leader, not somebody else.
Look, I'm probably coming off as a meanie here, but I left PIF4P because the consistently made Pie-in-the-sky promises and did NOTHING to deliver on them. Instead, their efforts went into adding more programs and creating greater
Fear of Loss
I am going to assert that PIF4P creates as much internet roadkill as any other program out there. Come back in three months and tell me how wrong I am.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 13:16
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The Predator Marketing System is undoubtedly a very powerful way to create an online income. Cashflow from system sales can be great if effective marketing is done. However, long term financial freedom will be attained by using the system to develop multiple streams of income.
Most people who sign up for the Predator Marketing System probably are visualizing themselves making money hand-over-fist with system sales... but this is actually only going to be a reality for those who learn the ins and outs of marketing the system effectively.
Te road to becoming a sophisticated internet marketer can be filled with frustration or it can be an enjoyable journey. Training in effective techniques is essential. Of added, and in my case, essential, benefit is the engaging in a dialog with a more advanced marketer.
An advanced marketer as a guide is a phenomenal resource. It took me many months of marketing online before I met somebody who could really show me how it was done... because my original sponsor was... in a word... unsophisticated about it.
Don't get me wrong, he was making money with his business... But the techniques he was using did not produce results for me. I have realized that many, many people who sign up under a sponsor who advises only the placing of ads... will not succeed.
Lets face it. Paid advertising, if done incorrectly, can be very costly when it produces no results. The nature of the internet as a medium for distributing information make it ideal for promoting Predator Marketing System through what is called Informational Marketing.
I advertise but I also do a lot of sophisticated Information Marketing because I understand this truth:
People Turn To The NET not for Advertsing, but to Acquire Information.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 13:17
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Those of you who know me through phone conversations may be aware that I am what is sometimes referered to as a "true believer".
Dangerous, To say the least.
I actually believe all this manifesting your own reality, creating wealth and abundance throughg personal development, etc.
But I know, You just want to make a crapload of money with the business. Okay, You gotta start somewhere.
Let me put it this way: say you are marketing something like Predator Marketing System
and your intention is to make a lot of money but you have a mindset that doesn't support continued skill development and courage in the face of adversity.
What will happen? You get discouraged (ie. your courage fails) and you don't stick with it long enough to get what you came for:
Wealth, prosperity, abundance, financial freedom, time freedon, freedom from working for the man, freedom to travel, freedom to pursue your hobbies, etc..
Success with Predator Marketing System, or any internet network marketing indeavor, requires that we (I, you, anybody) stay in the game long enough to bear fruit. This is a craft which takes time to master.
As you become a journeyman ineternet marketer you will begin to buidl a circle of influence an accumulate traffic to your Predator Marketing System website and traffic, especially carefully targeted traffic, produces sales.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 13:18 · Edited by: malibumentor
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Personal Integrity|Predator Marketing System
Content Copyright Loren Woirhaye 2006
What is Personal Integrity?
Personal Integrity means you are good for your word. This is a basic concept to running a business. Having Integrity means that you do what you say you are going to do.
It doesn't mean that we never mess up. Its okay for individuals with Personal Integrity to make mistakes. But rather than hiding, telling lies, or running away, those with Personal Integrity make it clear that they are having a challenge. They give their word that they will make it right.
This is very important stuff, especially with all this internet stuff like Predator Marketing System. Its important because we can go about marketing these opportunities with hogwash like:
Get rich doing nothing
Work only 9 minutes a week,etc...
or we can honestly share our experiences.
Frankly I have blown a few big sales of Jaguar Marketing System because I told the truth to the person asking the questions. Being truthful is having Personal Integrity.
If you want people to respect you on the internet you must conduct yourself with Integrity. This doesn't mean that you cannot express controversial opinions or that you have to roll over to make people like you (they won't, by the way, if you roll over).
What this meand is that you do the best you can to express truth as it is in the moment. The truth that I am personally experiencing at this monent is that Internet marketing is a skill-based process that takes consistent effort to create results.
In my experience, creating success with Predator Marketing System entails:
Reading: so I understand marketing better and the technical apparatus of delivering my message via the internet.
Writing: so I can communicate what I have learned to the people who are aware of me as a marketer.
Speaking: to people who call me and ask questions about Predator Marketing System or other things I know something about. (I prefer calls to email, by the way. My number is 341.359.8494)
Listening: to other people so I can understand people and marketing better.
Thinking: about how to market more effectively, how to educate people more effectively about the business and marketing, and moreover - How I can do all these things with Personal Integrity.
Lets face it - having Integrity around money can be challenging when you are broke. But in business, it is vitally important to act and speak with integrity around money, because the exchange of goods for money is what drives business.
If a person doesn't have integrity around money, do they deserve success?
I don't think so. And if I find that somebody I have entered in business with does not have Personal Integrity around money, I am not inclined to aid them or do business with them in the future.
This comes down to spiritual values as much as anything. Since it is important to me to keep my business clean, I insist on Integrity in my dealings.
The trainers I have studied with have mostly made a big issue of Personal Integrity and the reason is this: in business we are seeking to build long-term relationships. This entails establishing a rapport based on mutual respect and trusth. Since I am in this business not to scam people but to educate them, I seek people with whom I can develop a long-term relationship based upon Trust and Integrity.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 13:19
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Using Veretekk With Predator Marketing System
The essential thing to understand about Veretekk is that it has four components. It generates leads, it does email marketing and list building, it incorporates training, and, perhaps most importantly, it is a very powerful tool for Search Engine Optimization and content-driven marketing.
Most people who market Predator Marketing System will fail to comprehend the real power of VERETEKK and will not build a massively successful business with The Predator Marketing System.
This is probably due to wishful thinking.
Everybody in the online marketing world seems to be caught up in jumping from one "easy" system to another. If this didn't require Skill Development , success online would be accessible for anyone.
As it is, online marketing six-figure incomes are available only to those who have a better comprehension of what marketing online really entails. While the Veretekk and Predator Marketing System trainings endeavor to teach people marketing, much of it is concerned with the technical aspects of marketing.
This IS important. But the technical side of it is by no means everything. There comes into play a much more individual side. We cannot reasonaly expect the technology to do it all for us...
EVEN....
When we have mastered the technical side of it.
It is still essential to work at the individual side of it, the part which you can only do for yourself, the part that differentiates from the others and attracts like-minded people.
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# Posted: 13 Dec 2006 13:21
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I have been reflecting on the best ways to help the people I sponsor to be successful with Predator Marketing System. Even though I have a dandy autoreponder series, etc. which shares some information, I have found the best method is Socratic in nature, ie. dialogue.
My major goal with new marketers is to get them actually marketing and then answer their questions and steer them in the right direction to make what they are laready doing more effective.
What is Effective Marketing?
Effective marketing is reaching your potential customer with a compelling message and in the case of the internet, provoking a response.
How To Be a More Effective Marketer
With Predator Marketing System or any other similar thing out there the secret to more effective marketing is not to be learned by Reading about it but by Doing It and watching the response. Even with the Veretekk system there is much more to marketing Predator than meets the eye. Observe that the better marketers are consistently branding themselves.
Branding Yourself
can be a daunting challenge when first starting out as an internet marketer, but it doesn't need to be. I have found a particular talent on mine is to enter into a dialouge with the people I am assisting and help them see, clearly, a path to success here.
The paradox is that it is not by promoting the system, but by promoting ourselves that we attain success. I have done quite well using the methods I teach, but I stress emphatically that one needs to find an individual path for success in internet marketing.
What works for me may not work for you. I have no interest in having people try to become copies of me, I want them to be themselves... because that is what works for me.
Look at my website : you will see a scruffy looking fellow wearing old clothing, not a spiffy suit. I am doing something I enjoy, not posing with a car, a blond, a boat , or a house. Why is this?
Those marketing tactic leave me cold, personally, so I approach it in a very different, individual way. I have no problem attracting business this way
Why?
Perhaps because it it different...
Perhaps because its honest...
Perhaps because its just really Me.
Something to reflect on.
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# Posted: 14 Dec 2006 13:24
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I am wondering why you feel the need to just trash another program? Is it because you have to so justify your $4,000.00 price tag?
PIF4P has just as great a training and maybe even better than MOM, since I am seeing very little evidence of integrety from it's organization. I'll try to not assume that everyone offering Preditor or MOM, will go so low as to trash the other guy.
The following are the facts for the readers:
PIF4P has been public since May of 2006
PIF4P is at the 3,114 ranking, in six months time on Alexa
PIF4P has over 80,000 new people signed into the system in 6 months.
255 million people are looking into PIF4P world wide every month
(With stats like that, do you think these guys know what they are doing or what? I think most people get on the net looking for that kind of knowlege every day. Folks, here it is and IT'S FREE!)
*PIF4P AFFILIATES are currently paying out over $1 million every month as a direct result of the marketing. Now, taking into account the statistics that I gave earlier of 95-98% failure rates in this industry, simply because people get into a business with the dream of making alot of money easy and fast, (perpetuated by slimmy marketers) can't or won't put in the time and effort it takes, then quit. If let's say 2.5% of the 80,000 people in the PIF4P system are making all the money, that's $500.00 per month distributed equally.
You know some are making considerably more than others because this is only 6 months into it. That's RESIDUAL INCOME! Residual income is mailbox money every single month, whether you continue working or not. One must take into account, that average income is in 6 months time, and the training is very comprehensive. It takes alot of time to get the different wheels spinning as I am sure the same holds true with any good business marketing system. If I purchase your Preditor system, as a new marketer, I won't be making money for at least 3-6 month unless I am lucky. Some people can get into any program and get lucky right away or sign up a large downline, that trusts them. Then the proof will come out when it comes time to train those people to be just as successful, just as fast.
Side Note: When you see an overnight success in a company, you have to dig a bit and you will probaly find that person swung over a large downline. Very slimmy, especially if they are telling everyone they can do the same thing, without divulging the truth as to how they got there.
The PIF4Ps training program works, and you can trash all the affiliates you want to, but the fact remains that the program works, just like I'm sure your's does.
These people signing into PIF4Ps are building a MLM business and the training is designed to teach people how to do that without getting ripped off! People that just started the training in July are putting in 20-30 new reps into their downline every month. By the way, that is where the big money is being made.
The big differences are that Preditor costs 4K and PIF4Ps cost is $0, you are direct marketing for a one time 1K-3K where as the people in PIF4Ps are building residual income, (the income people get into this industry to learn how to make in whatever business they want.)
All things being equal with the training, and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary, the big difference is, people can invest $4,000.00 in Preditor and work very hard making 1K-3K in commissions. Let's say they sell 8-10 each month, and that is very generous for the new person, (vitualy impossible for the average, and the stats will prove that to hold true) that's $8-10,000 per month. They will have to do that same work month in and month out.
With PIF4Ps that same person invests $0 dollars and starts building the residual income with the affiliates if they choose, and their primary company. In one years time, that person can, with the same efforts the person marketing Preditor puts in, be making $8-10,000.00 per month, month in and month out, take a month vacation and come back to virtually the same income with the check in the mailbox. Those are bare minimum figures.
THAT'S THE DIFFERANCE!!!
*First 6 months.
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I'm sorry for the misspellings. I got kicked off my internet before I could make the edits. I should have checked it before I posted it.
I do hope this information helps someone get the correct view of PIF4Ps.
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Warning: This Thread Has Been Hijacked By A PayItForward4Profits Rep!
What does this have to do with the Jaguar Marketing System really?
Oh, I know. You want to recruit people who are looking for at direct sales as a serious cashflow solution into YOUR MLM downline!
There are threads about PIF4P, actually. There are threads for people who are looking to start a business with no capital.
Hold Forth HomeBizMom! you seem convinced this quarrel is one you can win and the key to building your business!
Frankly I am embarrassed for you and by my own reactivity here. I know better BUT! I was involved with the program you are promoting and know firsthand about the programs they advocate. As the misinformation about free leads and income guarrantees mounted up I realized that I did not wish to lead people into PIF4P, because the leaders made promises they had (apparently) no plan to keep.
Danger ZONE! This Thread has been Hijacked
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Jaguar Marketing System is the new alternate skin for Predator Marketing System, a proven technology for promoting multiple streams of income on the internet.
Jaguar Marketing System is a serious solution for those who are tired of phone prospecting full-time or who don't want to be salespeople. Professional sales closers follow up and close all "system sales" for the Jaguar Marketing System owners and the new Extended Closingh Program will be launchd soon.
The Extended Closing Program allows every Jaguar System Site owners to benefit from have professionals close sales in another program as wll.
The service will be avalibale seperately for $1000 per year, but for Jaguar-MS owners its included in the $100 annual renewal fee.
Mentors on A Mission, the company behind Jaguar-MS, has a history of delivering high-quality proprietary training in how to become financially free with a home business. In an industry where many companies make promises and cannto deliver, Mentors On A Mission consistently OVERdelivers, time and time again.
Mentors on A Mission stunned the automated home biz world with the rollout of Predator Marketing System. 2 months later, Mentors on a Mission introduced Jaguar Marketing System, the same system with a differrent "skin".
Mentors on a Mission is clearly on a roll and has the clear intention of remaining the leader in automated direct selling for a long time to come. The pattern of introducing groundbreaking new programs and services will no doubt continue - Mentors on A Mission is at the technical forefront of Cashflow Generation.
The stated Mission of MOM is "To put 10,000 people on the enlightened path to financial freedom," and that passion is contagious.
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I have problems connecting to the JaguarMarketingSystem server today, is it only me or....?
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Seems to be up now.
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Quoting: malibumentor I do my best to market with honesty and little hype. Lets admit though, a little hype is fun and exciting, as starting a new adventure should be. I don't seek the timid, the fearful... I seek those who recognize that the adventure is worth the risk, and that getting mentally equipped for triumph is essential.
Hello malibumentor, this is a fantastic forum for people like me who have searched the web over, trying to find a good worthy program to work from home. I have done due diligence trying to make sure that I don't get ripped off and quite frankly, a website with a lot of hype really turns me off, or at least puts up so many caution flags that I find myself not being able to look at what they're selling very objectively. I am not an experienced internet marketer compared to you, although I've manged to build an email list of about 350 in about 6 months writing a newsletter. I was dedicated to it and ate and slept it for that 6 months before I could finally convince someone that I had a product worth dishing out 20 bucks a month for. I'm 54 years old now, I realize that quiting that business some 15 years ago was a grave mistake. I lost the vision and the desire to succeed at the time due to marital problems I was having. My point is that I did it once and I know I can do it again with the right guidance. Lately, I've been looking at Predator, 1step system, and Coastal Synergy Group as possible programs to join. If I joined Predator, do you have the time to help me in my endeavor to succeed and excel in the business? I have time to work it. I have embraced the philosophy lately to "work smarter not harder". Is that a realistic approach? Thanks,
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Hey UncleLarry,
yeah definitely. This type of business makes sense for me and seems like it does for you as well.
One of the advantages of working with Jaguar-MS is that I don't spend much time calling leads anymore (ie. working around other people's schedules and Time Zones- AAAGGGH!). This allows me to spend my working time learning and testing marketing stuff and assisting people I sponsor. I also do consulting and coaching.
So the answer is yes... I have plenty of time to work with new PAMS people and get them started right away on developing their own unique Marketing and Branding approach based on their own values and experiences in life.
Give me a call sometime. 310.359.8494
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This forum thread just hit the number one position on Google for the search -predator marketing system- ... illustrating the influence forums have with Search Engines.
We may see a flurry of posting here as a result.
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Mentors on A Mission Releases WhyStartAndNeverQuitAHomeBusiness Flash presenation.
The developers at MOM never stop working to make the jaguar-ms marketing system the most comprehensive training and marketing platform available today for success with network marketing and direct sales on the interenet.
Its true that these types of businesses can be built by calling leads but its also become clear that a new model of business has arrived - exemplified by The JAGUAR-MS system.
The new why video presentation makes a compelling case for anybody who wants to be financially free to start a home business, and JAGUAR-MS is clearly a good choice (and to my eye the front runner in the "we close the sales for you" industry right now).
"WhyStart" explains some of the tax advantages of having a home business, even an unprofitable one. The bottom line? You can't afford NOT to have your own home business.
Okay, the good part is that Mentors on A Mission has made it as straightforward as possible for anybody who is truly serious about becoming financially free.
Gone are the days when you had to go to recruiting meetings to build an organzation, or put on a tie 4 nights a week, etc...
Gone are the days when you would have to buy leads and work the phones to get successful in the industry.
Gone are the days when you had to chase your family and friends to build a NWM business.
NETWORK MARKETING has entered the 21st century and its a business model that the internet seems to have been made for. Prior to very recently however the systems in place just didn't take full advantage of the power of the internet... now they do with JAGUAR-MS... because the internet presents the business opportunity, the compensation plan, the products... and professional sales people follow up and make the sales.
It makes it truly possible for serious, and I do mean serious, people to live a life of freedom and ease by using the newest technology to build a viable, long-term business.
Why start video link is available below.
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Wow! It makes you wonder what's next. The way I see it, after getting the video stuff down, someone will come up with one better in 6 months or so, like holographic marketing. Do you think it's possible? It expands the mind and definitely keeps you thinking outside the box. Holographic, hmmmmm, maybe some day.
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By 2010 computers will match the power of the human brain. laready incredibly powerful computers are being made, smaller than this dot .
The virtual reality video games of today will like evolve into the apparatus of tomorow. Computers will recognize our habits and present information we want intuitively becasue the algorythms will be able to predict our actions and desires.
Sensors will track eye movements and subtle voice commands, maybe even subvocalizations captured by throat mics. Interaction over the interenet may eventually take on an intuitive quality that makes what we are doing today seem very unsophisticated.
Still- broadband is getting more and more widely distributed globally and this, more than any other factor, is what makes video marketing feasible on a grand scale. Video loads very quickly for those with high-speed connections so that is the determining factor.
The market wants video and has for quite some time. The technology is only now arriving. 12 months ago there were no free video servers, now there are over 250 and the number is growing. This is a major change at work, and those who learn to ride the trends will become wealthy if they so choose.
I anticipate the internet of 2026, barring cataclysmic breakdown of global infrastructure, will be very much like the internet of recent Sci-Fi films.... interactive gloves may be common in the next five years even.
I may not be so interested myself... I may decide to retire from internet business.
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The Jaguar-MS system is also known as Predator Marketing System.... adn the WhyStartANDNEverQuitAHomeBusiness System and the Mentors on a Mission training program.
The team at Mentors will be rolling out the Unprecedented extended closing program in January. Professionals will call and close sales in a business or opportunity deal of your choice. I will be using this to automate my Liberty League International business even more.
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As I read through the posts on this forum this evening, I was reminded of a quote that the founder of my primary business used to always say,
"Don't knock the competition they are just doing the best they can"
If everyone followed this quote we all would be better off. I have the opportunity to work with and train people who some would think are my direct competition... but they way I see it in the long run if you help enough other people get what they want in their business, you will in time accomplish what you want in your business.
In the last couple of weeks I've witnessed people cutting down another program to promote their program. Frankly I think most of the time this will do more damage than good. I just have to shake my head in disapointment and tell myself they just don't know any better yet, they still have important lessons to be learned.
To me in life there are no mistakes only lessons to be learned and those lesson's will be repeated in various forms until they are learned.
Most people will be drawn to others by the positive qualities they believe exist within themselves. In a similar way they will tend to be pushed away from those who reflect qualities they fear most in themselves.
I've seen very few marketing systems that don't have some good qualities, if we all could focus on the good qualities on what we are marketing and forget the bashing of other programs we all would be better off.
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Mistakes in business and life are part of the process. I have made more than a few in the Internet marketing field and I share my experiences openly and when something is bullsh$T I say so... which is my opinion.
I'm not willing to sugarcoat the internet MLM industry and smooth over every glaring weakness in these programs that enroll people in a compliance trance.
As a member of Mentors on A Mission and leader who constently brands yourself, I am surprised that you aren't appalled yourself.
The ONLY people who are likely to benefit from the "Internet Gold Rush" in a meaningful way are those who brand themselves... with their own voices and their own pictures... a practice some training programs conveniently fail to emphasize...
If the state of Network Marketing on the Net is to be elevated there needs to be accountability and dialog about the widespread manipulation of inexperienced, naive people, such as many who fell for the whole PAS game - and are misled to believe that they will easily be successful by promoting other people rather than themselves.
Not so much on this forum... but on others I have seen the approach I use raise the standard of dialog and disclosure considerably.
Ya know, Cindy... I call them like I see them. And we see them differently, clearly.
Guess I'm the bad guy today.
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