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Viajero Latino
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# Posted: 16 May 2007 18:27
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It seems we are confusing people with some negative comments here and there from some that dont even know how YTB works or maybe havent even seen a check from someone who has actually made money.I have seen checks from YTB members. This is a real business opportunity depending how much work you put in to this. Just like any other business.
I am not with YTB and dont sponsor it,but I have seen what they have to offer, and it was almost appealing to me.
After I got the facts from all the companies out there that do about the same thing I decided on one particular company.
Much sussess to all!
God Bless
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jamiesbiz
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 17:37
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Amazing how people say good things about YTB and yet post thier own travel sites. talk about tacky...
and that leads to a problem most network marketing companies face... competition. how many travel companies are there? How many gimicks do you have to come up with to redirect a consumers dollar??? or selling soap and vitamins for 40 bucks a bottle, the same vitamins you get in walmart for 3 bucks?
or these wonder juices.... where all the good stuff is changed as the product is heated in the bottling proccess... sure it does some people good...... so does a placebo.
80% of the people that get involved in a business is for the money and the hope they can change thier lives. they don't do the research on the product, on the competition or the market place.
or in fact if a company is start-up. its after they get in they realize this and find out the truth.
YTB yes they get checks for bringing on bodies, i was part of the company for a while.... so far it looks like another global prosperity group deal.....
punch in global prosperity group and see what you really are getting involved with.... they made as well.... then they went to jail.
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pingbotan
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# Posted: 18 May 2007 05:35
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that's what forums are isn't it?
to expose all these yea?
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Viajero Latino
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# Posted: 18 May 2007 22:40 · Edited by: Viajero Latino
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Yes it is very amazing huh!
Well I am pretty sure you were never involved with YTB or any other MLM company jaimesbiz.
I agree that most network marketing companies are gimicks. But all you have to do is do some research and be a little intelligent about the decisions you are going to make to change your financial future.
You know I used to be ignorant like that for a long time. I didnt believe that you can actually make a living doing this. But fortunatly I got to see a real check and decided to give it a try and not quit.
Im glad I passed that ignorance faze. It is very normal for someone who hasnt been successful in any business whatsoever to be skeptical.
Since I love to travel I got into a business that actually suites my needs, and I make and save money while I do it. I can tell you that there are many travel companies out there that do the same thing and have about the same compensation plan. I can only recommend about 4 that actually work.
Its like Burger King, Mc Donlads, Wendys and Checkers they have alot of competition but these companies are the ones that are actually making the money
Recomedations, dont get into anything that you dont like doing just because someone said you are going to make money. Do it because you love it and i will assure you It will help you very much in your success.
I Wont guarantee anyone will make hundreads or thousands by next week. I do assure that you wont make any money if you quit.
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jamiesbiz
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# Posted: 19 May 2007 11:11
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Viajero Latino
your ass---umptions are of course wrong.
YTB travel is very similiar to the global prosperity group.... YTB books little travel in comparison to the sign up of new recruits. look at thier financial statements.
if YTB is so good.... then why are you promoting your travel company on this site....????
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jamiesbiz
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# Posted: 20 May 2007 09:55
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thirdworldman
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# Posted: 1 May 2007 23:29
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Hello...how can you ppl support this scam unless you are profiting from it...???
The Better Buisness Bureau has determined this to be a scam, a pyramid scheme, what else do you need to know??
whenever a company needs money from you for something, there is your first clue...a successful company does not need your money
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Viajero Latino
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# Posted: 20 May 2007 20:33
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There you go again not to much intelligence. You will be fine buddy, having a computer doesn't make anybody smart.
As I said before I don't even belong to YTB. For those exact reasons you mention there that I have known even before I got into another travel business. I know everybody else understood but for your sake only (I can say this in a few languages just in case.).
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jamiesbiz
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# Posted: 25 May 2007 11:46
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well one thing i do know ... wise asses like yourself tend to remain broke, and have nothing else to do with thier time but argue with people. only a fool would sign up on your site with your postings as it is clear that you have not become a leader in this industry.
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Viajero Latino
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# Posted: 25 May 2007 15:42
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I guess that's just your opinion and yours only. I won't waste my time anymore with your worthless contributions to this thread or this forum. Anything you say will be ignored from now on. Have fun saying nonsense.
I guess we all see how un-intelligent you are Once Again saying the same thing over and over. I recommend you just stop making a fool out of yourself and make a new name.
I get the skepticism. Really. But enough is enough.
Get over it. If you want to live your life distrusting everybody,
then your life is pretty much over, anyway. Goodbye, good luck.
Don't let the door hit you in your butt on the way out.
For everyone else: Let's get started!
Success to every Network Marketer.
Enjoy your journey!
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jamiesbiz
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# Posted: 25 May 2007 19:35
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There is a difference between getting started and already being at the top with a real company.... i wish you well and hope one day you will learn that skeptism in these forums is much better than you being totally nasty with your messages... my points aren't about skeptism... they are about YTB and my experiences and i hope no one gets hurt by the way that company is set up or possibly yours.... i have been around for quite some time... trainers can't warn people, only those in position who have the guts are not blinded with all the brainwashing can.
your retorts alone should be a warning to stay away from your website as well , by who ever reads this.....
i will be leaving this column alone awhile as i am taking a three month vacation through the applachian mountains and hiking the trail along the way... with family and some of my kids friends using pak goats to carry supplies... looks like we are going to have a blast.
i'm 35 years old and can afford to take the time off for some companies are actually legit.... and this column would be the last place i would advertise it... for you would not be able to qualify.
when you squeeze a fruit what inside comes out... in your case at least there is still use for you as lemon is still used to for lemonade and to mask the odor of fish and dirty things as in cleaners.
remember in this industry, what you dish out, comes back to you....
so i hope you take time to sit in your closet and think about things before letting your anger get the best of you..... see ya.... maybe in sept or october i will check back and let you know how our trip went. and see if your still broke with a broke mindset. again wish you well... get with a good trainer... www.danijohnson.com or www.goldenmastermind.com. two of the best in the industry.
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Viajero Latino
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# Posted: 27 May 2007 01:39
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I like danijohnson she is good
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Kingdom
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# Posted: 27 May 2007 09:48
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I am reading the pros and cons of YTB from everyone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that.
As a child of God I have joined YTB after much investigation and prayer and have found it to be a tool in which people who ordinarily would not have the ability to do so can enjoy traveling at great rates, become a home based business owner and most of all create wealth for themselves and their children. I intially joined YTB to have vehicle by which I could take my grandchildren and children to places that we may not have been able to go. It afforded me the freedom economically to do so.
With every business on this earth there will always be those who can and those who can't. It is up to each individual to "investigate" and determine if they have the time and committment to themselves to make it work. I have found that it works for me and my family and friends. I have become the go to person in my family, church and community. So much so that an example has been set that now others want the opportunity to experience what I experience with YTB. I am now in a position to help those who desire to do so. There is nothing wrong with accumulating wealth as long as it is done righteously. It is not my place to judge what others do with the YTB opportunity, I try to conduct my business with integrity and encourage the other to do the same. Find the facts (all of the facts), determine within yourself if this is something that will add to your life or take away from you. Decide if you can make the committment to yourself. Then pray about it and come to a conclusion.
I realize that there are those who read this and will find fault and find agreement with what I have said, that is fine you are entitled to it, just as I am entitled to mine.
God Bless
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vromero
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# Posted: 30 May 2007 12:47
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This is for all the people that really believe in themselves and not in MLM's and particularly YTB. Are you reading this because you are not sure wether to join an MLM, or YTB? Well read along....
I have 5 kids, worked in many corporate jobs including Tupperware, AT&T, and Westgate Resorts as a corporate trainer. The amazing thing is that every one of these companies that I worked benefited those above me from my supervisor to the company CEO. Wow! They made money from me! What a pyramid right? I don't think so!
Please open your narrow mind. Look at this pyramid:
Bellsouth South Atlantic Region
CEO
CFO
PRESIDENT
VICE PRESIDENT
DIRECTOR
MANAGER
SUPERVISOR
GROUP LEADER
TEAM LEADER
YOU (WORKING 5 YEARS FOR THE COMPANY)
NEW EMPLOYEE
Can you see the pyramid?
According to "The Lion King" movie you're almost at the bottom of the food chain. Are you or are you not making those above you richer? Get a life! Why would you even care about those above you, if the only situation that directly impacts you is your OWN PERSONAL situation. Your are wasting more energy looking at those individuals that are more successful than you, instead of building on YOUR OWN vision of success!
I'm in YTB, and I can care less about Ron Head's success story. Not to be disrespectful, but I care about my own success story that will directly impact my personal life. I care about me, and not those above me. I am only interested in helping those that want to help themselves.
Want to be successful? Here is the recipe:
1. Believe in your self! If you don't, the don't continue reading. Screw you!
2. Join YTB or any other MLM of your choice. (Make sure it's legal, and preferably a publicly traded company, bill of rights, and over 147,000 making SERIOUS MONEY like YTB)
3. Learn your business. Most of the idiots don't even know how there business operates. You can take the donkey to the river, but if the donkey doesn't want to drink then you can't make him. Your upline can give you the tips of success, but if you don't do anything, then good for you loser.
4. Build your business, and open doors to as many people you can to become successful like you. Then you will be standing at the top looking down, instead of standing on the bottom looking up.
I support my family with YTB, so.... why can't you? I'm I better than you, or are you just a loser?
There is money to be made many businesses, obviiously there are a lot of peeople making money, are you one of those or are you a quitter. If you want to make money, then put in the work and be successful without wasting precious brain matter listening to negative input from those that are at the botom of the chain and wish to stay there themselves.
If you get together with negative people then you will become a negative individual. If you get with successful people, then you become one.
how is it possible that someone can say that those above you or
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ytbtravel
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2007 08:54
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funny how all the positive talk comes from YTB associates... and negative comes from those who are not part of YTB or by people who have been burned by associates affiliated with YTB. Then to give more power they have to use the God terms as if to give this whole thing more credibilty.
the only credibilty i would be concerned with is third party who have nothing to gain. there is nothing third party... can't use carnival for they are business partners.... you have associates like karen who lie through thier teeth and a legal department that did nothing as i have posted before.
talk is cheap as with my business we know numbers are our friends... lets see the numbers,,,, YTB lacks numbers when it comes to booking travel..... look at the financial reports.... the company is big time in debt and profit will be lacking for a long time to come....
can you make money with YTB.. sure... i made money with YTB... by bringing on bodies as instructed..... there is a major diference between selling your opportunity and sponsoring people.... less than 3% know how to sponsor.
again before of distributors who spend thier time on this stuff.... as dani johnson says... only 1% of your time is supposed to be spent on problems... that usually comes down to one or two minutes of your day..... so are they working to build thier teams.... or just trying to get you to sign up? do you really want your up line dealing with the crap on this site.... or running thier business?
i have become successful in this business by being laser focused and building organizations in a few companies... teh product doesn't matter... it is the people... and if i can help a few people avoid making a mistake... it is worth my time... for the rest of the day i'll be hanging out supporting my teams if my leaders need to talk to me.... but then they have dani johnson for that.
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Coleman_Walsh
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2007 10:53
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I am a new YTB member, and I have to say the following:
I just joined three weeks ago, and I was very busy at the time, so I didn't start working on it until about 10 days ago. I have now put 14 people into the business. I DO save money on my travel, I even get money when I book my own travel through MY site. I got a commission off of a hotel room I stayed in recently.
I have been successful enough in the last three weeks that I have entered into negotiations to sell my main buisness and work YTB full time. I don't really care bout the negative publicity. Everyone gets some sooner or later.
I am finding YTB to be a great opportunity and doing my best to spread the word to as many people as I can. I already have a lot of people that I have just talked to in passing that book travel through my site. It is as simple as just handing a business card to the guy/girl standing next to you in line at the store.
I mean get a grip people, if you don't like it, don't join, all of the YTB bashing isn't getting any one any where, it is just a waste of time, and good forum space.
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Ahigh04
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# Posted: 7 Jun 2007 00:22
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Hey wondering if anyone can help me out.. Been readin this info on in this thread... Tryin to decide to join YTD or a couple other places..
I plan on going into the travel agency business with a friend, but we really don't have much interest in recruiting others to become agents.. We strictly want to sell packages/cruises/etc... We plan on doing our own advertising and selling of the products through various marketing methods. Obviously, we would book through our assigned webpage, but would be doing heavy telephone and person to person (in an office) business. Do any of these "programs" reward individuals handsomly who just sell these packages?? Or are the commission payouts too low and the market too saturated with online sites (orbitz, expedia, etc..) to make any significant money??
Anyone have a suggestion?? I don't know enough about the industry and stuff to just open my own agency without the help of one of these "parent" companies providing me the packages, etc...
Any help would be appreciated. As I said, I don't mind getting involved in something like GTI or YTB, but I plan on running this thing like it's a business (heavy advertising, selling, working the phones, etc).. and don't plan on spending all my time tryin to get my friends and family to become agents or take trips..
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asskusabouttrav
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# Posted: 14 Jun 2007 20:42
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Hi Ahigh04
I am currently working in three different opportunities in Travel.
I would love to get together and share a little of what I have found out there. What works , what doesnt. Im up front and honest and will simply share what I know Good or bad.
If you are looking at a few opps already thats great. I have to admit I looked at YTB a while back(Im not involved yet) and am currently involved in Coastal, Funtime and inteletravel. But again Ive done alot of research on everything out there and can maybe help you find the right one for you. Even if its not one of mine.
Sean Keely
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travelinterest
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# Posted: 19 Jun 2007 20:48
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I have been checking into YTB, and I have found that everything seems to be on the up and up. My father got into the business and loves it. He is a real skeptic and did his homework... I really believe that I will be getting into this soon... I would like to let people know though, you only get out of it what you put into it.
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sammydog419
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2007 18:33
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We believe the earnings claims are exaggerated and we consider testimonials to be invalid as evidence of the truth of the company's advertising.
We believe this company may be engaged in a pyramid marketing plan because of their apparent emphasis on recruiting rather than selling travel. Those who buy into the company's team become legally responsible for the claims they make about their company, its product, and the business opportunities it offers. That is true even if the claims are presented in a company brochure or advertising flyer.
-This is straight from the Better Business Bureau.
I've worked for for a few companies like this (i.e., Equinox), don't worry about signing up, you'll get your money back when someone files a class action lawsuit against them for being a pyramid scheme, which is illegal.
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pearl729
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# Posted: 22 Jun 2007 18:55
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I just read up on YTB on Better Business Bureau's website. Very glad that I decided not to join.
If anyone wants to read what I just read, here's the link:
http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/General/BBBNewsArchivesPageDetail.aspx?News_ID=124& sm=
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glorias
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# Posted: 4 Jul 2007 16:07
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People who do not learn network marketing skills will have complaints against YTB, just as they do against all other network marketing companies.
Other people brainless parrot those complaints without investigating just because they heard them from somebody else. If you don't make money, blame it on the company. It's a credible-sounding excuse.
People with network marketing skills are the ones making the money because they took the time to learn how to do it.
Most people are better at making excuses than they are at making money.
The real reason the rich get richer
They know how to do it. And they do it. They do it in network marketing, traditional business or investing. It is almost impossible to do with a job.
Bottom line: you can make excuses, or you can make money. But you can't make both.
Gloria
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luvtravel
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# Posted: 9 Jul 2007 10:36
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Quoting: Ahigh04 We strictly want to sell packages/cruises/etc... We plan on doing our own advertising and selling of the products through various marketing methods. Obviously, we would book through our assigned webpage, but would be doing heavy telephone and person to person (in an office) business. Do any of these "programs" reward individuals handsomly who just sell these packages??
Do any of these "programs" reward individuals handsomly who just sell these packages?
YES !
Definitely!
we offer a package and travel agent program.
As a travel agent with 12 years experience I can honestly say there are good options out there.
Do due diligence f you are interested in selling TRAVEL.
Terri
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ytbtravel
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# Posted: 12 Jul 2007 12:39
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really.... gloria.... people with no network marketing skills will complain about YTB... how wrong you are.... i have been in the industry for quite some time and very succesful in two other companies.... and YTB is in the same ball park as the Global Prosperity Group was. Pearl 729 did everyone justice who is going to take a look at YTB... if the better business Bureau put it down, then buyer beware.
I see only YTB associates praising YTB and other travel people trying to get anyone to join thier company....
There are good associates and bad associates, and when you get paid to recruit anyone you will take anyone... i belong to companies that we get paid when you become successful. So we have a work ethic, and we look after our associates... those who work don't go running away saying this don't work.... all they can say is that they did not work..... big difference. That is what the new person should be looking for.... not some sham outfit that rewards a recruiter 1000 dollars for seeling the business to someone who has no idea of what they are getting into ..... most of these people can't sell
water to a thirty man in a desert.... yet YTB and many MLM companies reward people for just signing up bodies......
maybe that is why there are only 30 companies in the entire MLM industry that has passed the test of time..... look that up in Network marketing for Dummies... written by Zig Ziglar....
buyer beware.... look for the companies that have been around... not compnaies that are tradeing on the pink sheets because they are broke and are just starting up..... 99% will never make it to the bigger boards... do the reasearch.... get away from the hype.... go ask a millionaire, not some idiot who is looking to make 50 bucks from signing you up and is so desperate to get 6 people on so that they can get 1000 dollars in bonus money,... so they can go to cutting edge media and buy leads for 250 bucks for 20 names to call....... DO YOU RESEARCH!!!!!
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y1der
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# Posted: 14 Jul 2007 13:27
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First off it's really funny how people look to other people to make decisions for them. I've never understood this. "Whether you think you can or you can't, either way you are right." - Henry Ford.
It's my opinion that 20% of the population makes 80% of the money because the 80% of the population are listening to each other. Imagine if Bill Gates quit after he was told by a number of investors that his idea was crazy. Bottom line no one opportunity is going to get everyone. Even Jesus hasn't gotten everyone. He's the best network marketer in history. Someone has to answer customer service calls; someone has to take your order at the drive through. It's all about mindset, if you don't have the mindset that tells you there more to life then working 40 + hours a week, living pay check to pay check then guess what you'll do, exactly that.
I think it's been stated, there are lots of opportunities in travel and others. I chose YTB about a month ago. I've already booked a group cruise for my mom, which I was going to do anyway. Now I get commissions from every cabin booked and my wife and I go for free. That was pretty good for me for $500. I've also have a hotel on a golf course in St Augustine, FL booked for our 10 year anniversary at 50% off the normal rate.
For those that say we don't book travel, check out page 41 @ http://travelweekly.texterity.com/travelweekly/20070625/ and let me know when those other companies get into the top 50 travel companies that booked at least 100 million in travel in 2006.
It boils down to what you want out of life. Most people are content with working for the corporation that gives them a check every week. That is until they decide they can do better without you. Then some make it to retirement only to have to go out and find a job because they didn't make or save enough money. I'm not here to say YTB will make you rich. I'm here to say make your own decisions in life. You know the Oprah and Bill Gates are billionaires, you can find out exactly how they did it, but you can't duplicate it if you don't have the mindset. That can be applied to anything in life; you have to see it in your mind before you can have it in this world. God Bless.
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lisaloo84
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# Posted: 16 Jul 2007 01:57
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I went to a ytb presentation tonight. I felt like I was at a car dealership looking for a Chevy and they were trying so hard to get me into a used lexus. Let the product sell itself. Let the website sell itself. I agree with other users about the trouble I had with the site. I searched any cruiseline, any time in november, any length of time for a cruise to the Mediteranean. It said that there were no cruises for my search criteria. Seriously? No cruises going that way at all in November of 2007? wow. I also searched many flights and found that the prices on ytb's site were higher than all other sites i checked for a random 3 day flight in the middle of september. Found better deals on other sites and I found cruises in november to my destination on other sites. I now realize that it is not about the travel itself, it is about the signing up of more people. And why should I pay 50 bucks/month to have my name on a travel site that isn't as fabulous as me? 
I came on this page to investigate what my gut was already telling me. And that was, don't get sucked in, you'll only be wasting time and money. Thank you for all the insight you've given me, you've helped me feel confident in my decision.
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jamiesbiz
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# Posted: 19 Jul 2007 15:10
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lisaloo84 your right on target with your experiences... the same as i have had, ....
and many others that i know... few were even associates that caught onto the gimmick..... and the tax deductions taht they talk about... true when in business you have better tax breaks, providing you meat the criteria....
and again... as YTB travel states... it is always a YTB associate that is talking postive and this time we have one that is totally brainwashed... don't you just love ametuer networkers that throw all the lingo around as they do in A.A. meetings.... trying to dazzle you with thier brilliance???
yet they have no idea what they are truly doing... somone gave them some fancy sayings to say, that is put in a way that is hard to argue with... yet they don't even know that the product is the people not the business... yet they participate in a business that get paid to recruit bodies....
YTBtravel said it.... go with a company where your sponsor makes money when you become succesful... not just because he fast talked and sold you a "store front".... even Rick Ricketts the no 1 guy in YTB pushes store fronts... not the travel... travel is a by-product... plus Rick and the top thirty people take on a lot of stock in teh company instead of taking cash when thier bonuses are hit.
so when they have large teams and Y1der books her few days of travel... its the top 30 people making the big bucks as they have the most stock, and the biggest investment into the survival of teh company... they are tied in for millins of stock that they get for a buck a share... yet the market price has been bouncing around $4
and that is one way that are getting or it appearrs that they are making so much money.... the question is can they actually sell off being that YTB is on the pink sheets.... the lowest of all stock exchanges.... this area is a crap shoot... companies list on this board in order to generate capitol to survive......
YTB books thier travel through travelocity... YTB is an end user with an agreement through the above company and carnival cruise lines... in other words they work for these other companies... why not just go direct???? YTB prices are not better... it is like the other company where you buy soap for 20 dollars a bottle, yet you can get the same soap from wal-mart for a buck...
even in thier meetings.. they say push the store fronts, push teh store fronts... and go to your family.. and ask them to book off your site... since they know you........ then you get into training and then you find out that the cruises is the only thing that actually pays anything worthwhile for your time... in addition you do not get paid for the booking until after the cruise has been taken, the bill paid in full, the payment proccessed and then your cut is forwarded to you later which can be several months or over a year from the time of the original booking.... they don't tell you this stuff up front...
in addition you have much compitition... trump is running his travel agency... who would rather book your hotel with ... your nighbor because you happen to know them, or would you book with an expert when you are going to lay out thousands for your trip, your traveling to another country etc.... i don't know about you but i would rather pay the full price and be assured that i am going to have the time of my life...... after all you get what you pay for...
i don't know if discount or ametuer is something i want to deal with when we only have a few days out of work schedules to travel....
go the the meeting look to the left, and look to the right... is that really somebody who you want to be booking your travel? the person who can't make it in this industry... after all when over 80% lose at the game and have to use all this lingo to persuade you.... what are they going to do for you when you are in egypt and you your flight is non-existant.... i'm sure you have a better chance to get things straightened out with a proffessional travel agency than with YTB
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jojobiz
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# Posted: 23 Jul 2007 11:50
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YTB is it really a business... i checked out that networking marketing for dummies book like someone said to do... an yes... only 30 companies have stayed the test of time..... i checked the financials as well.... and lets say ... buyer beware......
network marketing is alread a very competitive market,, ad wth travel the compition is phenomonal... competition is good, but only with a compny that knows what they are doing... read on... learn then run as fast as you can from this company....
The company is legitimate and the concept is decently executed, but the financials are an absolute train wreck. And it's been getting worse over time, not better. I bought some of this stock, and I wished I had backed up the truck because I was fortunate enough to sell at the top. But that was dumb luck on my part. This one really should be a penny stock, given the fact that the company is losing money hand over fist, year after year.
There are only three things to which I can attribute its current lofty (and unsustainable) share price: 1) the enthusiasm of YTB's travel agents who buy the company's stock on the same hype that led them to join the company in the first place, but who don't understand the fundamentals that underlie business valuation; 2) a simple shortage of share availability; and/or 3) insider manipulation. None of these are rational reasons for this stock to have any real or trustworthy value, and if you own it, Sell! Sell! Sell!
If you bought this stock when it was a dollar, you've made an incredible (and totally irrational) 800% gain. Don't be a pig and get slaughtered. Take your 800% gain and laugh all the way to the bank. You'll have a great story to share at cocktail parties about your inadvertent brush with disaster that gave your lucky soul a phenomenal gain.
If you think the company's exciting product will somehow (magically) translate into a high stock price, think again, and take a look at the company's SEC filings. Earnings are what drive a stock's value, and this company DON'T GOT IT. Not by a long shot.
The company's pitch is alluring; the stock's meteroic rise captivating. Be warned, these are the Greek Sirens calling out to all the unsuspecting sailors passing by, drawing you in with their sweet song only to see you dashed against the cliffs and drowned.
Sell! Sell! Sell! Don't Buy! Don't Buy!
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Gailtravel
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# Posted: 2 Aug 2007 15:15
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I have had a good experience with YTB. I did my research before signing up. I figured if worse comes to worse, I will have a good tax write-off! But I have met those who were successful and I believe I will be successful.
I have friends in the process of booking 2 cruises. Several booked airfare. In fact I was helping a friend book airfare from Laguardia to Kingston Jamaica roundtrip. Welooked on my site at the time we found a Spirit fare for $296. She had already looked on the Spirit sit and found the same one for $323 ! My price was cheaper.
I did notice that the fairs do not stay around long. If you see a good price take it then, when you go back it might be gone.
All businesses are built on pyramids. McDonalds, Burger King, Curves. Secondly in 1979 the coourt ruled that AMWAY was a legitimate MLM. that paved the way for companies like YTB, AVon, Mary kay and similar to operate.
Its not for everyone. But for those like me its a great opportunity.
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ayalatravel
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# Posted: 5 Aug 2007 05:50
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Just yesterday I was watching the story of Sam Walton (Owner of Walmart). To make a long story short, the company has been around longer than I have been alive. They have had many setbacks but they are still here. Like it or not Walmart is never going out of business.
This brings me to the whole YTB back and forth mess. I was baffled when I read these posts. My feelings are who cares two cents about having an upline. Did you complain to the "plantation owner" when you had a JOB,or if you still have one, about why you have/had a manager, a supervisor, so on and so forth. Who cares, at some point unless you were fortunate enough to come into a business as the first recruit, you are going to be under someone.
Next, there is KMART, Walmart, Sears, JCPenney,Ross, Macys. They all sell items, and no eveything at Walmart is not cheap. But you shop where you feel comfortable shopping, where it is feaseable, and where you well please, that is your perogative.
Throughout the years I have been with many companies, Equinox, ACN, PrePaid Legal, BodyExtreme, Usana, Goyin, Monavie, etc,etc,etc. Most of these companies are still around and are great companies. But guess what, I am not with either of them today. I did not join them because I fell in love with my upline and I did not leave them because my "upline" did not sponsor people under me. They just were not for me.
When I joined YTB I did not blink or #$$%^ about the sign up fee. I saw it as the cost of doing business, most of the companies I have been with cost way more than that, and per month I had to spend at least $120. It is the cost of doing business, bottom line. Nor, am I waiting for someone to make my business grow for me.
YTB, Coastal Vacations, Traverus etc, etc I could care less who you sign up with. To me I just want people that are going to promote their business, because that is what it is. This is Network Marketing,which is comprised of a lot of people doing a little bit of work. Not a small amount of people doing massive work. That is working backwards. Me personally I want to get as many people as possible out of their jobs and leave the jobs for people with no vision and no goals.
There is plenty to go around. So let's quit talking cr$% about this one and that one and who doesn't have this and who has that. Because at the end of the day, we are all in companies with people that are unhappy. Hey American Airlines, JetBlue, Mexican Airlines, United Airlines, SW Airlines cannot have all the passengers, people will go not necessarily with the cheaper, they will go with the one that gives better service. I know I have always done that. Just because someone's prices are less don't mean they are better.
Building relationships is what this business is all about. Not about prices. There are lots of people really upset with Prepaid Legal with all their charge backs. But their are the few that made it to the top, that you could not drag them off Prepaid Legal. Honestly, who cares.
Did you go out yesterday and recommended it to someone. Did you call the owner to ask for your referral fee, or did you ask Macy's to give you a refund for the overpriced item they sold you, NO.
Much love to you all and much success to each and everyone of you.
Doreen
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allsmiles
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2007 05:59
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Quoting: ytbtravel be careful and look at the whole picture. the sponsor takes your first three recruits... many times these people will be your best people to work with. they took my best on me.
Hello ybttravel and other folks who may have insight,
I'm looking into YTB and wondering what ytbtravel meant by this quote? Can someone please explain how "the sponsor takes your first three recruits?"
I've just started doing research on YTB but I was under the impression that anyone you recruited and anyone he/ she recruited and so on would always remain in your network of recruits. Again I'm a newbie so any helpful feedback you may have on this quote or other information about YTB is greatly appreciated.
Thanks and have a great day!
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