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jseses
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# Posted: 1 May 2007 23:57
Quoting: Global Good day, I wouldn't trust medical journals because most of the studies are based on $$$ and not to the benefit of others. Pills and Potions are from Man food is from Nature I put my money on nature not man. Pills and Potions are for the lazy who aren't willing to live a better lifestyle.
Lol was this supposed to be for another thread???
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action07
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# Posted: 9 May 2007 00:09
Where to begin, first I should start by saying that EDC is NOT MLM. MLM's make you purchase a product from them monthly to remain an active member. This purchase is ususally a nutritional product. I dont know about you but I've seen a GNC at every mall Ive ever been to. So there goes that. Plus you get 100% commissions. You pay $297 to join and guess what, you make $297 when someone joins you. The software is very profitable, members just see lots more potential advertising the opportunity. Yes you can find some of the software on ebay for $1 or $2 but guess where they got the software. More than likely it originated from someone in EDC. The resell rights urge buyers not to sell below a certain amount but some people will do anything to make a buck.
Whats more, I really dont see how people expect to get rich when they are so stingy. Tell me how many businesses out there tody said "$297 is too much money to invest, Ill just join an affiliate network for free and pray that I get rich" it could happen but lets be serious. Any entrepreneur will tell you that you must willing to invest any where from $1500 to $2000 in a business if you want to succeed. Now if you cant afford it, you cant afford it.
And another thing, all this talk about EDC being a scam. If thats the case, America is the biggest pyramid scheme of all time. You've all heard the saying, "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer." Hmmm I wonder why.
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robertarcter
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# Posted: 12 May 2007 11:17
This thread on EDC has been informative and frustrating.
I've been involved with several MLMs in the past and have been researching online business opportunities for many months now.
The consensus that I am getting from most - if not all of them - is that people are making money off of other people looking to make money online in what really should be called what it is.... a schedule 1 pyramid system.
Come on folks; several comments posted - and not just on this forum - have stated that the actual products (software, etc) offered by EDC may have some intrinsic value, but the real cou de grace is from people joining your "downline."
I'm not affiliated with EDC or any other online network marketing system at this point, so I don't want to bash or judge something I'm not a part of.
However, I would like someone who IS using EDC to step up to the plate and paint the real picture here.
I agree with anyone / everyone who says $997 or less is NOT a lot of money to start a business... it just isn't. If you can't afford that sum, keep working and save up.
But, this one time investment is not where the buck stops. Monthly fees, additional money for advertising (above and beyond the free sources jseses has tapped into), and time spent dedicated to learning this system are integral factors to consider.
Plus, and again let's face it, the majority of income seems to be coming from other people who are looking to make a living online and pony up either the $297 or $997 and then convincing others to do the same.
I guess I'm just sick and tired of the myriad sites promising the world, posting flashy pictures of their cars / bling / vacations, etc., then charge in upwards of a grand just to tell you that their system is all about getting somebody else to hand over the same fee to you and the cycle continues.
At what point is the market saturated beyond repair?
Thanks for reading and I welcome any / all feedback.
Robert
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theriddler
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# Posted: 13 May 2007 10:58
I was really looking for a real, trustworthy resellers program or business solution to be integrated with my already well-visited webpages in order to make some cash....
But after reading the posts in this forum Im deeply disappointed and I lost faith.
How do you expect a man to trust a company that obviously makes fake posts about how wonderful their products are. Its not very hard to work out that several members with 1 or 2 posts only in the forum are advertisers that merely try to fool us normal users into signing up for something that is very blurry and unexplained.
Everybody says that they have made so much cash for so many people but there are NEVER and real links to any real sites using their services and about EDC... theres a lot of talking about software etc but not ever mentioned what the real software are so that we can get an idea. What about a products list?
Im pretty convinced that most of these companies make their money from others signups and a minimum on real sales.
Until somebody shows me a real site and gives me a direct reference person that is independent and can explain more I think I would have to be an idiot to sign up for ANY of those deals.
Even if you are lucky and succeed there are no real proof of that more than 1 % really makes cash. And that 1% are the owners from what i see.
Bah, try better and make something that doesnt give you an uneasy feeling in the stomach.
btw moderators? You dont feel that a post from a member that made just 1 post advertising a site should be removed?
The{��}Riddler
(info: I have been working with marketing and sales for 15 years)
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jseses
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# Posted: 15 May 2007 22:51
Hi guys,
Am in a bit of a rush, so I'll come back and address your comments later. Here is a sample of the products list, that you get access to when you signup:
[Link removed - Admin]
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theriddler
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# Posted: 15 May 2007 22:56 · Edited by: theriddler
bullsh**t again
PEOPLE DONT TRUST ANY OF THESE GUYS
ITS ALL SCAMS!!!
DONT EVEN TRUST THE GUY WHOS BROTHER SUICIDED, THE GUYS IN VEGAS, THE OLD LADY THAT WORKED AS A DIRECTOR FOR 30 YEARS, THE NERD THAT GOT RICH OVERNIGHT ETC ETC
SCAM SCAM SCAM
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE MONEY ON INTERNET
ALL MONEY COMES FROM HARD WORK
JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE
...or scams as you can see
be smart
ps.
Note that I dont give you a link to some other scam. If a post has a link here you can be 99.9% sure its another guy trying to confuse you and take his deal instead.
And to the guys doing this. Did you know that all good you do comes back to you eventually. AND ALL BAD TOO. Its not religion, its simply facts of life.
Money made in an dirty way will most certainly haunt you forever in your everyday situations. Dont forget to look over your shoulder for some angry dude you scammed coming for revenge, or the cops...
I say treat others as you want them to treat you and work for your money.
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jseses
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# Posted: 16 May 2007 05:14
theriddler,
Let me guess...you joined under someone, expected the money to fall off trees without you lifting a finger, and when it didn't you got ths poos and are now angry about it.
I haven't seen anyone here speak about anything being easy money. Hard work is exactly that - Hard work. You need to do it to get results. You sound like someone who hasn't done any hard work and are just pissed off because you failed to do any work, and when you didn't earn any money online you scream scam!
Your absolutely right - what goes around comes around. There is no doubt about it.
I don't recall seeing anyone mentioning "free money" anywhere in this thread.
Learn the definition of "scam" then come back and re-state it.
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payne
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# Posted: 16 May 2007 12:55
Quoting: theriddler bullsh**t again PEOPLE DONT TRUST ANY OF THESE GUYS ITS ALL SCAMS!!! DONT EVEN TRUST THE GUY WHOS BROTHER SUICIDED, THE GUYS IN VEGAS, THE OLD LADY THAT WORKED AS A DIRECTOR FOR 30 YEARS, THE NERD THAT GOT RICH OVERNIGHT ETC ETC SCAM SCAM SCAM THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE MONEY ON INTERNET ALL MONEY COMES FROM HARD WORK JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE ...or scams as you can see
I'm an EDC Gold member...and this is a typical business day for me(Monday - Thrusday):
7:00 - 8:00 read/reply to emails
8:00 - Noon - place ads to sites; groups, forums, etc...
1:00 - 2:00 - Follow-up calls to opt-ins;
2:00 - 3:00 - PPC, Paid Ads, Automated Mkting, Hit Exchanges
4:00 - 5:00 - Telephone call paid leads
7:00 - 8:00 - Telephone call paid leads
8:00 - 9:30 - Online Training, conference calls etc...
It's a business and like any business it takes work to succeed!
Consistency is the key...
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tonyb
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 01:05
theriddler doesnt' know what it's talking about. This is a good program where people are making money. I Know I have made my money back and then some.
No one claims to have gotten rich overnight. I must tell you if someone does then run away.
This takes work and commitment. The only reason people fail is because they don't know what to do.
Here we teach you what to do.
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pingbotan
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 01:09
the movies are boring, too long, and takes a long time to load.
*yawnz*
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pingbotan
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 01:31
Easy Daily Cash.
Anything that says Easy is firstly, to me (not sure about u guys but who cares), is a real turn off.
Secondly, to me, this is yet, just another MLM scheme. OK, let's be fair, it's a pretty value added MLM. But at the end of the day, where does the real sale come in from? Potential downlines, and the videos (I refrain from adding negative adjectives to video lest I get banned) don't talk about anything other than just trying to pull people in to join them. All they talk about is u either be a loseristic 8 to 5 job man or join them. What a misleading video.
Thirdly, sadly, but this would work. Why? Simply because there are too many desperate people out there who're trying to find an alternative to working 8 to 5. They grab any opportunity that comes by without even thinking about it (don't be surprised that majority people are like this). Without even consulting others. Yes, u hav products, yes u hav a business system. But ultimately, the only way to earn is to recruit more downlines. which kinda s*cks.
Fourthly, let's talk about say Instant Money Vault/Ultimate Wealth Package. They also provide a system for u, provide many products for u with resale rights (OK be fair it's nowhere near EDC's). But at a price of <$100, I think it's totally worth it, because I can really see the value-addedness. And it's kinda fool-proof system, IMV/UMP, because (be fair again) I see those promoting EDC here in this forum are really wanting to help their downlines and stuffs, but can all of u honestly say that everyone in EDC is like this? Balls if u say yes. So what happens if I join an upline who's unsupportive? Yes u can say I can always look for other, but my initial trust (that is to my upline) is already gone, do u think I can trust anyone else?
Let's spend a minute and think about a typical bookstore and books like Harry Potter or Eragon. These are the success stories that we've heard/seen from the famous authors, but how many of u actually know/have heard of how many books they've tried to write but failed? It's the same here in this forum. We've been hearing so many people saying so many good things, but where are the ones who've failed? Doesn't matter how u fail, we just want to hear it. Don't be fooled into thinking that you did not work hard enough or what, say it out and we (as human beings) can make our own sound judgement.
Don't be too quick to bombard me, EDC members. Spend a while to think of what I've said, and I'm sorry if I've misjudged ANYONE here but I meant no offence. Of course, there's no way I can influence u guys into thinking that this is, in the end, a MLM, because what's the first principle for MLM? 100% belief in the product. Cheers 
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robertarcter
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 09:59
Thanks, PAYNE, for sharing your daily activity list in working with EDC.
Have you been a member long and are you making the money you had hoped for with all that work?
I agree with PINGBOTAN that nonetheless, like the myriad other options out there, it (EDC) still seems to be heavily reliant upon the whole MLM downline structure.
While there is nothing wrong with that and certainly no disrespect to any of the members here, I do question the true intention of the message being sent via its marketing techniques.
Frankly, the products they offer are not unique and no doubt one can find better and worse options on the Internet ~
With that being said, I am curious as to why the whole "downline" motif is not really being addressed more thoroughly.
It's almost as if nobody really wants to comment on it / admit it for fear of... ?
I'm also curious to find out if any member of ANY online program such as EDC actually enjoys what he or she is doing?
Has anybody legitmately been able to quit their 9-5 job in the first 90 days having replaced their income?
And, at what point does this market get saturated to the point where the only people looking at the opportunities are the very people trying to offer the opportunities?
Thanks,
Robert
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pingbotan
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# Posted: 17 May 2007 23:44
Excellent points there, Robert. Would love to hear what Payne has to say, or rather, any I-profited-from-EDC members have to say
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jseses
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# Posted: 18 May 2007 20:58 · Edited by: jseses
Hey guys,
I've earnt quite a bit in this business, however, I see this as wealth creation, rather then using it to simply replace my daily income. I have a pretty big mortgage. I use my Salary to pay for my Mortgage, then all the money from this business goes into maintaining my standard of living, placed into investments which will create a passive income for myself.
Your plan really should be to use the money earnt in establishing other investments which will then provide you with passive income, which will then replace your current income.
This is something you should be doing with your day job aswell. Put money aside weekly, which you will then invest.
Allow your money to make you money. Only then you can give up your day job and start working online full time.
Secure your future!
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pingbotan
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# Posted: 19 May 2007 04:40
...relevance to EDC?
maybe u might want to start a new topic
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jseses
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# Posted: 20 May 2007 20:08
The relevance is that my post was a response to a question on whether anyone has given up their day job as a result of working the edc business.
As a sponsor and a mentor in this business, my advice is always the above.
Did you understand? I'd be happy to explain the concept in depth. I think most people have understood.
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pingbotan
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# Posted: 21 May 2007 01:27
No I do not want to hear you explain, so I'll say I understood. Thank you very much.
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jseses
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# Posted: 21 May 2007 03:44 · Edited by: jseses
Quoting: pingbotan No I do not want to hear you explain
I think you mean 'see - read my explanation' I wasn't planning on uploading audio.
Quoting: pingbotan so I'll say I understood
Not such a great idea to say you understand something when you don't. It's giving your subconscious mind conflicting instructions. Precisely the reason why you won't ever get what it is that you want...
Now do you understand that???
Quoting: pingbotan Thank you very much.
Your welcome...anytime.
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robertarcter
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# Posted: 22 May 2007 16:58 · Edited by: robertarcter
Hi JSES,
I agree with your thoughts on wealth creation and using multiple streams of income to provide you with a financial accumulation plan.
In your estimate, however, when will EDC be able to provide for both your hefty mortgage AND maintaining your lifestyle?
(presuming that may be an aim of yours, of course)
I generate income from another online source not involving MLM, so I am interested in fully sustaining both my debt / investment obligations, as well as my lifestyle, using "work at home" sources.
Not having tried EDC, I'll reserve judgement for my own, but I am curious to find out if any of its members are genuinely doing well enough with it to create and/or contribute to a personal empire.
Let's face it; anyone serious about making real money, and from home to boot, realizes it almost never comes from a get rich quick scheme.
(I say almost 'cause if you can start one and get others to believe in it for a small one time fee.... )
Therefore, the whole point in joining one of these online business systems promoted out there should be to generate - in theory - whatever target goal you set using logic and diligence.
If it's not possible, or if the program simply promote themselves as the key to making money via a thinly veiled MLM, then it would be great if somebody could come forth and simply say it.
Thanks for your insight.
Robert
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jseses
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# Posted: 22 May 2007 17:59
Hi Robert,
My approach to edc has always been to just treat it like a business. Not to consider is a get rich quick scheme. The program is developing products and services that are of real value. Right now their is the launch of promo black box, which is the marketing aide to online business owners. This offers search engine optimization etc. It's a real product/service. So the program is developing into a sustainable business for anyone willing.
Right now EDC income is enough to cover my mortgage payments and to maintain my lifestyle. However, it's like a regular job - if I stop working the business, then somewhere down the track I will stop earning.
My approach is to use the money entirely in investments so that the money makes me money. The reliance on actually working, or running a business will be taken away.
Depending on the level of risk you enjoy you can place your money into the stock market, forex, property etc.
I've been able to develop 2k passive income in FX trading just using my income from EDC. Now If I stop working altogether, I will still have that income from FX.
Now with EDC I think what I have learnt far outweighs the money I have earnt. I have actually learnt how to generate targeted traffic without spending any money. Using this skill I am able to generate daily three figure traffic to affiliate programs aswell. The income is easily 4 figures from that a month.
We're are all really doing this so we can buy our time back. We work for money. If we had an abundance of money, then we would be spending our days doing what we love. That's not to say some of us don't enjoy our jobs, just that I am sure we can think of better things to do.
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robertarcter
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# Posted: 24 May 2007 11:32
Thanks for the reply, JSESES.
How long have you been trading with FOREX? Was there a lengthy learning curve with it?
I dabble with traditional stocks and bonds, so I understand the basics of FX, but it still seems to be overtly risky.
Thanks,
Robert
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jseses
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# Posted: 24 May 2007 18:30
Hi Rob,
I don't know overlly much about forex. I just use a simple system trading the news. Am also starting to use a new checkmate system. The rest I hand over to the pro's.
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skyykissez
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# Posted: 24 May 2007 22:40
hey everyone! i had came across another website very similiar to EDC gold, its called passport to wealth and now im confused on wat to join! the thing that attracts me to passport to wealth is their great eye-catching website and their video is AWSUM and it makes u want to join rite then, but im not too sure if it will mentor me in my sales. And about EDC gold is that their video is boring and their website doesnt look professional and its like soo unorganized and looks real bad, but i kno from other ppl that they train you on everything you need to make the sales. someone please give me some advise! thanks!
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tonyb
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# Posted: 26 May 2007 02:11
Hi Skyykissez,
I have seen the passport to wealth movie and it is good. However, they don't have the personal touch with people. Let's face it when people try to make money online they need training.
A movie by itself will not do the trick especially if no one sees it. I have been with EDC Gold since the beginning and I must say I am doing alright. I can't say that I have quit my job yet but I am making money.
If you want to join any program remember it will take a lot of work. There isn't any of the set it and forget it tactics that will keep money in your pocket.
EDC Gold has a lot of options also, not only will you get a 997 program but you will get a $495 retail product for small and medium size businesses, $297 easy daily cash and $69 your new fortune. You can sell the software if you like but that does take some know how. But you can learn that.
As always the final choice is yours.
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Power_Advisor27
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# Posted: 29 May 2007 16:06
Hello all.
I wanted to answer the question asked by 040107. We as EDC distributors do sell a package of marketing and webmaster tools and software. I've heard many say that they've seen the same products on Ebay for cheap. I want to address this comment.
First off, unless they are EDC members, they don't know exactly all of the products being offered. Next, we have well over 1000 software titles, scripts, tools and marketing training e-books in our back office. To try and find and purchase all of these titles individually would run a person well over the highest EDC Gold membership of $997. Not to mention, our back office is frequently updated with new material that we don't have to pay anything extra for. You can't get that from Ebay or anywhere else! Not to mention, most of that software from Ebay is outdated, or not exactly what you paid for (trust me, I've purchased some before).
Now, in regards to banzaiglenn's comment, I think you're right. Some sponsors will give away a qualifier, but most don't pass up that much money. So yes, it appears that, instead of simply being benevolent, he's trying to gain back money and is resulting to some desperate measures to do so. I'd beware of that person if you're considering joining. It doesn't seem as if he'll be able to teach you how to earn with the EDC program from the looks of his marketing methods. And really, the most important part is choosing a sponsor that can help you learn the ropes. I'd beware of newbies and others who don't have proven and working marketing methods and training for you to follow. You'll end up like them, and you don't want that.
If anyone has any questions about EDC, I'm glad to answer them. I work from home, so I'll get back with you fairly quickly!
-PA27
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# Posted: 30 May 2007 11:22
If I could, I'd like to respond to something that robertarcter said earlier. You asked if any members of EDC are doing well enough to contribute to a personal empire. I'd like to comment specifically on that.
I believe of course that success is relative to an individual. So when I speak of success, know that I'm speaking for myself and my current situation. I'm averaging between $3500 and $4000 a month with EDC. I have been a member since late February, and enjoying every moment of it! Many folks wouldn't call $4000 success when you compare it to what others are claiming to make (or to where you live, your bills, etc.) But one thing I always like to point out is that even though $4000 may not seem like a lot, it's $4000 more than you would have had, and definitely enough to produce changes in lifestyle. However, it has allowed me to quit my job and work completely from home! I'm now making more per month than I was working 2 full-time jobs at the same time here in NC. My fiancee and I don't have to struggle anymore. We just moved to our new place, we're redecorating, we just got a new dog and life is as it should be. Next month I can go home to GA to visit for Father's day, the next month we can go out of town for the 4th of July, we'll be traveling for both our birthdays in August...and all without having to ask for time off, or worrying about paychecks being lower because of time taken off.
Also, I don't feel that EDC is "a program that simply promotes itself as the key to making money via a thinly veiled MLM." We have actual products that we sell, there is a retail side. There are no required purchases to maintain membership, and a member does not half to be a part of the affiliate program if they don't want to be (they can simply download what software they want and cancel membership). I'm not sure who wouldn't want to partake of the income opportunity if they've already paid for membership, but certainly no one is forcing it. As a distributor, I promote the products and services we provide first and foremost. I promote the income opportunity second, and as more of an "affiliate" program because that's what it is. It would be one thing if we claim to sell software, but then our back office was really only full of bogus, replicated titles and never updated. And it would be another if we didn't have a retail product for the B2B market. But that isn't the case. So no, I won't call it MLM or a pyramid because it isn't. It's a marketing training service and retail business with a higher-paying affiliate program (than most out there) attached.
As for Passport to Wealth, for all that don't know, it is a knock-off company started by a former EDC member who didn't like the EDC business model and thought he could do better with the software he purchased from EDC. However, I feel (and I think many others do as well) that he left out some key elements, like the different membership options, the training and the customer service. I'm a member of another forum that was started by PTW members, and I joined simply because I wanted to know what they felt the difference was between PTW and EDC and why they chose PTW. Well, it came as no surprise to me that none of them would speak for their chosen company (one gentleman kept insisting that I was interested in switching companies, but never would answer the 2 questions I'd asked). I think this is because there really isn't much of an argument for, or much benefit to joining PTW. It lacks the convenience and model that EDC has, and now that we have a retail side which allows us to venture into the B2B market, PTW can't even really call themselves our competition anymore. Of course, PTW may hold some benefits that I don't know about, but it's hard to fathom that when none of its reps will speak to its defense. Anyone else have any thoughts on PTW and what benefits they may provide?
- PA27
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# Posted: 31 May 2007 09:10
trial and error is the best way till you find what you want.
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 1 Jun 2007 23:12
I'm a meber of EDC and EDCGold. the products are over 150k worth of software. And now they have an exclusive PromoBlackBox that can be sold to small business's that is alot cheaper than paying one of the big co's to help promote your site, comes with all the bells and whistles for a mere 495.00 nothing else to buy and you can pay a monthly fee for continuous trainging and support if you like.
As a distributor (me) you keep the 495.00 sale and you can make a residual off of the monthly.
As far as EDC I started slow because I didn't put any time in but now i am full time and am making 3x's as much as I did in my own business that I have had for 20 years.And i don't know of many other opps where you can talk with the Top earners and get their secrets and views on how to succeed.
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robertarcter
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2007 09:38
I'd like to thank Power_Advisor27 for his candiness and comments earlier!
As I continue to look around and read various posts on forums such as this, one thing remains consistent for every online opportunity I've come across: some people "win", some people don't.
The most difficult aspect (for me) is figuring out which program really will work. And I don't mean just in principle - I mean which one will really work for ME.
That seems to be the case for most folks, as well. We've all read threads where somebody is making a fortune with one thing and the next post is somebody who hasn't with the same program.
What dictates this success / failure discrepancy is apparently attributable to each person individually and their interaction with their chosen program.
As a result, I've found it incredibly difficult and frustrating to determine which route to go and who to trust.
I believe in systems and would find it refreshing to encounter someone / something where a CLEARly defined step by step agenda is outlined and explained with no hidden messages or "surprises."
This may be asking too much in reality; life just isn't that easy, I understand.
However, a defined 10 or 20 or 100 or 1000 step process that has provided success for 99% of those who do it seems to be what is missing from most of these programs.
Am I missing something, or do I have too high of expectations?
As always, I appreciate any feedback / comments.
Robert
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Bigrich
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# Posted: 6 Jun 2007 10:05
Robert, I believe that some work for others while for some they don't sort of like some vitamins, medicine's, treatments etc.
Maybe becuase you have to have the mindset to believe in what you are doing works for you.. I have tried alot of stuff and this is the first thing that seems to work. prolly because i like what it is I'm doing. And therefore I succeed at it.
And another note most opps. are really a business, and people need to treat them as such. Most however treat them like a hobby or second job, like "maybe I'll get to that today"
Hope I made some sense.
Everyone have a Great day.
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