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aandrews
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# Posted: 2 Jan 2009 23:47
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I am not a Web Prosperity member. Web Prosperity went viral in the last few days of 2008 and first few days of 2009 and now claims 30K members. That might be impressive if they were paid members, however, they joined for free initially.
In the Fall of last year, Giblink also grew virally and many people not only joined but paid to do so. These two Company's show the power of the Internet and show how fast word can spread. However, it's not always a good thing for something to grow so fast.
When I went to look at the Web Prosperity site, I could barely get it to load and I have FIOS. Fast builds like this usually plateau rather quickly because there's no place left to go once reality sets in. (Coughing up the money and seeing what the "tools" are).
For example, what's so new about marketing tools for Internet Marketers? I believe Ben Glinsky did it with Pro Builders Plus back in 2006 and more recently Naxum Online Marketing Services has a much better looking website and system with Sponsordaddy and there's Phone Broadcast Club with a far more effective marketing system.
A number of people who join Web Prosperity have probably never used the tools they offer, for example, autoresponders and ad tracking. Will they use them now? Are 'tools" going be the answer to greater income? Will you have the time to use them or to even learn how to use them?
One person wrote that they joined Web Prosperity because of who was joining it, big Internet Marketers. Does this mean the program is "good" or that they know from experience that it will do them "good" financially? Not that that is wrong, but should it be the reason to join? Will this somehow get you more sign ups than before?
Words like spillover, "forced" matrix and key placement on my Team are all being used to "incite" people into joining. Should you go ahead and spend your money after you've joined for free?
You'll often find that the very objection that many experts have with something like this, the Company tries to make it sound like an asset; There's no product to store or ship. Who stores and ships products these days? The Company does, not the distributors. So this is a poor "argument" for joining.
Basically what you have here with Web Prosperity are "information" products or software services. These services are available on the Internet and there are even some "packages" that have a number of these services for one low price. No, Web Prosperity has very little that's new and what is new may be too difficult or impractical for many people to use.
The bottom line is that WP will require "recruiting" people to earn any income and that makes Web Prosperity just like anything else. Can you do it? Will the tools make it better and cause Web Prosperity to grow bigger than Pro Builder Plus? Well, that just may happen because I don't think PBP is around anymore.
Tell me, what do you know or think of Web Prosperity?
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# Posted: 3 Jan 2009 23:35
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The thing is that it's all fun and games as long as nobody
has to spend any money. Most people who sign-up will
be looking for free-ride.
The reality is that the product suite (I am promoting this)
needs to be marketed to existing businesses, not to
opportunity seekers and the MLM crowd. The recruiting
phenomenon with these things is always incestuous
but a small minority will make the money because they
will be the ones to win customers... not just deadbeat
"downline" members.
I'm focusing on developing an aggressive offline promotion
strategy to help my team prosper in the real-world of
business where there is great opportunity right now
as businesses are forced to slash costs and move online
to survive.
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SirThomas
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# Posted: 4 Jan 2009 14:31
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Loren,
Going to existing off and online businesses was also my main thought.
However, the problem I see is a simple fact that webprosperity is
an "opportunity" driven program.
Your customers might experience technical issues and possible
service interruptions due to "opportunity" problems.
In my opinion, if you want to create a team selling great tools to
businesses, go directly to the "tool" provider, make arrangements
and forget mlm... If MLM fails or tools are compromised by spammy
mlm'rs, your reputation goes to hell 
To Your Success,
Thomas
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latisha1
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# Posted: 6 Jan 2009 15:59
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I am a member of "WebProsperity" and I believe every internet marketers, network and marketers, marketers, you name it, can benefit from using these tools.
They are already paying for these services separately which can be expensive to grow their business also when building a downline.
to try to grow their business.
"WebProsperity" brings value to it's customers. Instead of paying for Autoresponders, which can cost $19.95 per month, Teleconferencing $49.95 per month, Webinar Services, $99 per month. Live Chat for your website, Streaming audio/video and Podcasts hosting $39 per month and Ad Tracking $29.95 per month.
With "WebProsperity" you can have all these services plus more...
Like: Webinar Services - GoToMeetings etc, Autoresponders, Media - Add sizzle to your website with Live Chat, Streaming audio/video and Podcasts, and Teleconferencing. Ad Tracking, Contact - email marketing:email broadcasts and marketing campaigns to stay in touch with their downline. Calendar - Stay on top of Appts., Follow-Ups, Events, automated reminders and Meetings. Finder - to manage all your contact data and Address Book - Store all your contacts In one place: email, phone numbers, IM nicknames and notes.... All in a bundle...At a ridiculous reduction price!
Premium Package - $29.95/mth. for Contact, Finder, Calendar, Address Book
Elite Builders Package -$59.95/mth. for Meeting, Contact, Finder, Media, Calendar, Address Book
Now that's value!
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cherie27
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# Posted: 7 Jan 2009 07:35
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I am also a member of Webprosperity.com.
But i haven't go in to the website to take a look.
I never know there are so many features inside.
I think i need to spend some time on it.
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2009 00:45
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SirThomas: Loren, Going to existing off and online businesses was also my main thought. However, the problem I see is a simple fact that webprosperity is an "opportunity" driven program. Your customers might experience technical issues and possible service interruptions due to "opportunity" problems. In my opinion, if you want to create a team selling great tools to businesses, go directly to the "tool" provider, make arrangements and forget mlm... If MLM fails or tools are compromised by spammy mlm'rs, your reputation goes to hell To Your Success, Thomas
Yeah, I've thought about this. No company til now has had
the money and infrastructure to pull this off. I believe Implix
has those things to make it work. Still, if we are retailing we
have to look at whether the product delivers.
At first I though WP offered a full-featured autoresponder
but I am dubious of this right now... I think it may not be
as good as GetResponse, also an Implix product.
As far as reps... I don't hop from company to company at
all. I'm very choosy so I'm not concerned with getting
badmouthed as a pied-piper. Much of my personal
income comes from copywriting and consulting. I tell people
to think for themselves and never put all their eggs in one
basket with these opportunity programs.
Launches are a exciting and you can make money hopping
from launch to launch. It's a kind of sleazy way to do
business though because it always leaves your customers
wondering why they followed you if you don't stick around
and show them how to build a list and promote after the
excitement is over. Setting up marketing systems that aren't
reliant on hype and fear-of-loss are my speciality though -
I like chugging consistent machines that generate leads
and convert them without hype or pressure... just steady,
consistent salesmanship. That's what I'll be building for this
and even though the program may tank or something the
system I build will still be useful to the folks I share it with.
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SirThomas
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2009 13:36 · Edited by: SirThomas
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malibumentor: As far as reps... I don't hop from company to company at all. I'm very choosy so I'm not concerned with getting badmouthed as a pied-piper. Much of my personal income comes from copywriting and consulting. I tell people to think for themselves and never put all their eggs in one basket with these opportunity programs.
Hi Loren,
I know you don't "specialize" in launches 
My remark regarding "destroying reputation" was aimed at
providing MLM-based service to "retail" customers.
The service could be too easily compromised by "questionable"
activities by some very excited members, if you know what I mean? LOL
I believe, you'd be better off to provide those services to clients
by using services NOT attached to a business opportunity.
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aandrews
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# Posted: 8 Jan 2009 14:09
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Hi Thomas;
I think your point that such services should not be attached to a business opportunity is an excellent point. For example, it takes a lot of time and work to set up contacts in an autoresponder.
If for some reason you decide that you don't want to be a part of Web Prosperity anymore, there goes all your hard work. (unless they allow you to have access to it as a free member).
Marketing 'tools" can be very useful and they can also be time consuming at the same time. The results you get from these tools can be marginal and usually require more expenses (like buying leads).
I believe people are still falling for the idea that there is a super system or click and forget program that will give them instant or magical results.
Now I hear Web Prosperity is extending their "free" period another week so more people can come in and add to the momentum. Where will it go when people have to start paying?
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# Posted: 12 Jan 2009 17:52
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I think you will do well if you already have a huge subscriber list to promote Web Prosperity to!
Most people haven't and will struggle to recruit people.
Barb
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TheChampion
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# Posted: 12 Jan 2009 18:32
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aandrews: Tell me, what do you know or think of Web Prosperity?
One thing I notice is when I go to the main Web Prosperity site it's hard for me to figure out exactly what the product is.
It is not clear exactly what is being sold until you research it.
There's nothing wrong with researching but I feel like you should be able to know and understand what the product clearly is in your first few moments on the site.
If it's hard to explain to the point where we have to dig through long audios and videos than to me that is a problem because in order to build a business you need to be able to communicate the main benefits of your product quickly and clearly.
But it does look interesting.
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 18:50
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Here are some thoughts, from being inside this:
1. The Autoresponder has an identical control panel
to GetResponse. I haven't talked with GR about
"porting" my list over to Webprosperity yet, but
They've been accomadating in the past so I don't
anticipate any problems.
There's your first $18.oo in value. It's the same as
GetResponse.
2. Instant video and video hosting. Really easy to
use. Plug in yoru camera and mic, hit record, and there
you go. It gives you the embed codes and has a player.
You can upload videos too.
I've looked at Amazon S3 video hosting for "private"
videos for my courses and membership sites. Now I've
got my pwn private video hosting with no bandwidth worries.
That's cool. You could run a whole video membership
site with no additional hosting costs.
That's valuable if you are serious about downloadable
video product development or selling PLR video content.
3. Address book. Ok. That's not very interesting,
I got that already on my desktop. But this is integrated
with the Autoresponder and the downline management
thing.
4. Scheduler. Integrated and it will blast notfications
to your downline or (probably) subscribers to any list
you run wth WP - meaning if you have a teleseminar in
your 200 person room on Tuesday it will automatically
notify everone on the list. Same thing with team
training, etc...
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You can use this for running a lot of things from
one control panel. I like it just for the product
myself because the conference room and GetResponse
and the video hosting could easily cost twice what
the $60 package does.
I like what I see but if people absolutely want to
avoid doing any business with an MLM I would suggest
they spend 2 or 3 times as much to get the same services,
and remind these people that they would have to parse,
port, or cut and paste information from one system to
the others on an ongoing basis at considerable man-hour
cost that gets bigger as their business grows.
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 19:37
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I might be wrong about "private" video hosting. As far
as I can tell so far it makes all your videos public - so
I may be wrong about being able to use it for effective
membership-site video content.
Also, my test videos came out with a lisp I don't have,
so I'll have to play with the audio settings I guess.
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SirThomas
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 19:53
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Isn't the autoresponder system limited to few campaigns?
How about list size?
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 20:48
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In the Premium package I can have unlimited campaigns.
I think it allows 10,000 but maybe even more. By the
time you had 10,000 subscribers I would think WP would
want to keep you as a distributor so it may be unlimited
like Veretekk but without Veretekk's broadcasting limitations.
It seems to be double opt-in. GR does single or double but
here I see no way to turn it off. Hopefully they'll introduce
expanded controls. In basic mode it's just for WP promoters.
When you go into advanced mode you can create campaigns.
There are only a couple of HTML templates but I probably
won't use them - for deliverability reasons I use Text emails
mosty. You can point and click to embed videos in your emails
too. I'm not sure if it makes a thumbnail your reader clicks
on or what... so I could see this sort of thing being the nail
in the coffin for the "video email" things of the last few years.
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# Posted: 13 Jan 2009 21:04
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It sends out a little video icon - so you put that in
the email and the recipient clicks... and it takes them
to where you have all your videos in WP - so you could
deliver a course on something with it.... I see it as
an easy way to do the kind of stimulating follow-up
some people seem to need these days.
So - somebody opts-in and you send them the email
with the icon to click on and down the rabbit hole
they go. It's certainly going to make it a heck of
a lot easier for me to teach my downline how to
implement this stuff.
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SirThomas
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# Posted: 14 Jan 2009 01:27
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Cool! Seems like pretty good idea to have an icon instead of
trying to embed a code into your messages. I hope it will be
a stable system, so people can use it regardless of opportunity.
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BigPaulUSA
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# Posted: 18 Jan 2009 12:03 · Edited by: BigPaulUSA
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Here's what I think:
If people don't want to use the tools WP offers then they shouldn't join it, that simple.
Myself, I definitely see it as a powerful addition to my own online marketing "tool shed".
There's a lot of useful tools that can be used by anyone, without a huge learning curve, to market any business on the Internet.
Something I really like about WP is that one of the things it does is let you make audios/videos w/players that can be placed on any Webpage.
Lots of other cool stuff too including an autoresponder (btw... I've been testing the WP Autoresponders & they've all made it to my inbox and are not ending up in the Junk folder - nice), the ability to create capture forms easily for any Webpage, the Phone Conference System, Web Conference System, etc.
In my book it's well worth the money.
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