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wltr1
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# Posted: 22 Sep 2008 22:37
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Has anyone hear or seen this new online buisness called LWS Freedom its supposively just launch this month if anyone has heared anything about it pls. let me know what you think about it. THANKS
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emmjay
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 05:25
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I just joined for free last night and listened in on their conference call.It sounds pretty good if you are able to market and get people to sign up for free.After they sign up for free the owners take over the follow up with voice broadcasting and 24 hour support to answer your prospects questions.The best part is it is a one time fee to join and no monthly fee.In saying this I am going to research it further before I upgrade to paid member.
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wltr1
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 10:18
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could you update me on how your doin with it
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Cjay
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# Posted: 23 Sep 2008 19:51
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Hey guys, glad to have found this forum. I've been into Internet Based Incomes for about 6 weeks now, and i've had some mild success so far with two programs, and i've picked up quite a bit of the learning curb, and disecting business models, and different marketing strategies...
I came across LWS freedom not too long ago, and it's sales page is very compelling. I even believe more compelling than my main program. Whats great about my main program is that all sales were direct, so I could put it on the backburner and focus on another program, or quit it all together and there was no loss of investment (which was $280)
So to my point, I've got this feeling inside of me after researching LWS Freedom, that I'd be better of promoting instead. My marketing infrastructure is already set, so it will be a simple swap...It doesn't hurt that a $200 dollar sale last week will be paying for LWS, and not to mention I got a little lucky on Bodog Sports betting with My Chargers, Dolphins upsetting the Pats....
Anyways, It's gonna be interesting, so i'm marking it here right now on this forum. It seems to be the rare few forums where opinions and conversations seem real.
Peace
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# Posted: 25 Sep 2008 09:13
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Hey guys - here is a simple tip for you.. enclose your links in [url[/url] so people can click on them...we are all a tad bit lazy here when it comes to copying and pasting.
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2008 04:03
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I signed up the first week! I just set up a my space page, which I could have never done without LWS Freedom's instructions. LWS Freedom makes it real easy to do all sorts of advertising, and a lot of it is for free! My upline said the program creator, David Dubbs, is awesome! She said everything he touches turns to gold. If you take a free test drive you get to sign up for free which allows you to check out a lot of the back office.
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Cjay
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2008 19:17
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Hello everyone,
Just thought i'd put in a 1 week update after joining the LWS program.
So far i've got a little bit over 1000 page views (somewhat uniqiue--it counts me 1 time every day i log in).
I've got 4 signups so far.
We'll see how Millionaire Dave Dubbs and MAx do with their followup system.
So far it's getting equal to, or slightly better interest than when i was promoting Independent Profit Center...
I just invested in an automated Craigslist poster, and i'll be launching a marketing campaign for LWS soon
I'll try to update at least once a week on my happenings with LWS
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# Posted: 30 Sep 2008 22:52
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glad things r working out so far keep me ut to date and if you dont mind would you pm and let me know how u spend on advertising so far im thinking on doin the system i just need to know how much i need all together including the cost to upgrade
thanks
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shereen
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2008 01:20
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Lws Freedom seems like a good programme signed up two days ago.
I'll post an update after my first full week.
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emmjay
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2008 16:38
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the idea behind the recruiting end of this program is that Dave and Max will work at converting your free members to paid members.I was on last weeks conference call and all the exitement about this was that they would be sending voice emails to the free members to try and convert them.Now here is my experience to date.I joined as a free member on Sep.22 and thus far I have received 1 email from Dave telling me to listen to the recording of the conference call that I was on.So really how hard are they trying to close your sales for you?
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residualgrl
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# Posted: 1 Oct 2008 22:58
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You have to get traffic to your site, and when they sign up as a free member, they will then be in constant contact with the emails and videos.
I was just on tonites call and there are alot more tools coming for us as well. 
Remember they just launched a couple weeks ago.
There is alot of trainning in your back office (if you are a paid member) on how to get traffic.
Hope this helps..
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emmjay
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2008 06:08
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I understand how the system works.That is why I signed up as a free member to see if they would be in constant contact with me to try to get me to upgrade.After all that is what they say they will do for you once you upgrade.So if I am not hearing from them,and they are not attempting to convert me to a paid member why on earth would I think that they will try to close my free members after I upgrade.I have heard all of this before from EDC.
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residualgrl
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2008 12:44
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I misunderstood your post...my apologies
Again, they are just getting started, and I did notice new emails in my yahoo account today.
Some are also going in my spam box as well. so I need to add them to my contacts.
I do beleive this is a very powerful system, especially after listening to last nites call. Are Alexa ratings are really taking off, so I'm willing to let them get up and rolling!
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Cjay
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# Posted: 2 Oct 2008 21:32
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Emmjay,
Interesting observations...
It didnt really occur to me, to see what their follow ups would be like. So i signed up as a psuedo free member on my own page. I did it two days ago. Ever since, I've been getting one greeting message a day. Today's audio was David Dubbs doing his thing, with a recorded message from Las Vegas Airport, talking about what a blast he had in vegas, and how he's getting a lot of personal testimonials from recent members whos LWS business is Taking off...etc.
I've gotten a follow up email once a day so far. If i had a preference, i'd have one go out every other day, because more than once a day might seem too much...
anyways, thats what I observed...
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residualgrl
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# Posted: 4 Oct 2008 12:52
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WOW! 2 more signups in 3 days...this really works, and the new training in our back office is some of the best I've seen in the industry
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2008 17:18
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Hey, How are all of you doing with LWS?
I'm pretty jazzed about all the amazing tools in our back office.
And NO monthly fees for all of this information? Way cool.
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Cjay
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# Posted: 8 Oct 2008 19:48 · Edited by: Cjay
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Hi everyone (and residualgrl),
I'm about due for my 1 week update here with the LWS program, and with some good news. This morning I woke up to an email alert notifying me of my first sale. Not a bad way to start my day. I'm not dreaming that i'll become a millionaire with LWS Freedom, as that was never my intention with LWS...but so far so good. I think my momentum will increase from here. My goal is to have LWS bring in a a good steady 1000 dollars a month by the Holidays. That's about 6 sales a month, not even counting Leverage+Residuals.
I'm pretty pleased with the new additions they made to the back office as well. Actually, I took a few minutes out of my afternoon to play with this screen capture tool I came across yesterday.
It's a short video sneak peek into the LWS Freedom Members Back Office.
Residualgirl, i'll send you a pm and maybe we could exchange some tips and experiences.
Till my next update...
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2008 10:50
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Hi Everyone...Anyone having issues with their url's??? Nobody's appear to be working.
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# Posted: 11 Oct 2008 12:54
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how are you advertising lws freedom to have this success?
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Cjay
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2008 01:05 · Edited by: Cjay
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Hey sp005
What i've been using so far, are free ad-exchanges, safelists (businessworldlist.com), and a few craigslist ads every other day.
There is a promotion going on till Monday, which has already TRIPPLED sales over the last week overall for the company.
http://lwsfreedom.com/weekendmadness.html
-Cjay
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2008 02:26
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In terms of how the program works which one is better IPC or LWS Freedom as they seem to be both the same thing to me.
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2008 07:53
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The essence is the same...both websites sell the potential to earn an extra income, or possibly replace your job (which is the dream), to spend more time doing whatever it is you like to do, if you had more financial freedom.
Each program goes about it in their unique ways.
First and foremost, although IPC has you view it as "direct sales", both programs are essentially affiliate marketing. You're affiliated with the program, and you get a commission payout for each time you refer a sale, or a new member to the program.
What are people actually buying? what is actually being sold?
Investment in Educational products and training services that promise you the resources and blueprint to learn Internet Marketing. Then, in addition to this "intellectual property", you get the rights to your own website that promotes the program, and does the job of "selling" the product along with the income opportunity.
Both sites do a great job presenting the opportunity in their own different style, and different compensation payout plan.
Ok, we know that any slick and compelling website selling marketing education, is worthless without delivering visitors to the website/storefront.
Here is where I get to the differences...
All things being equal, both programs at its core, accomplish the same things, at similar investment costs. Both are one time investments, and both claim an income potential hundreds a day delivered to your digital bank accounts.
Apart from appearance and presentation, the main difference in these two programs is how the member is Compensated for their marketing efforts. Both programs rely on essentially the same marketing tools, strategies and methods.
IPC Program Compensation is simple and easy to understand. $200 each sale or referred member. Your first sale, your second, your last. That simple. The simplicity of this plan is a big selling point, hence "$200 over and over again for life" "you do the math..." "1000 in a day ! You can do it !" "Follow our marketing system!"
Both programs provide a variety of payment processors, like AlertPay, and is integrated in the plug and play sytem.
LWS Freedom Compensation- $130 each sale or referred member. Once you get familiar with the system, drive traffic, and get your first referred member, that $130 goes to your Sponsor first, which makes you qualified to start earning $130 directly. This is referred to as a "1-Up" business model. Now, once the 2nd sale is made, you receive $130. Same with the 3rd, 4th,etc. But the effect of the 1-up model, each person you refer, will also pass their first sale to you.
It's a little more difficult to grasp at first, but its quite simple, and in my opinion, more powerful and advantageous. For sake of example, let's say i'm already "qualified" which i personally am, if i make 5 sales in October, that's a commission of $650. If you can get the hang of marketing online, 5 sales a month is very achievable with either programs.
Now here's why I choose to promote LWS over IPC...
I made 5 sales total in October 2008...now if in November, i decided to take a month vacation and not do anything...if my 5 sales the previous month, did their diligence and learned the LWS system, they will have gotten their first sale, which passes up to me.
SO even if i didn't do any marketing in November, I still made $650, while out enjoying my life. Even if i Didn't do anything in December, I will always have 5 people working under me, learning LWS and recruiting their first Sale, that gets passed up to me. This is called a "Powerline", and you can have as many as you want. In my Example, it was 5. There is no limit to how many powerlines you can build. If you average 5 a month, you'll have 10 in the second month, 15 in the third, etc. can you imagine Starting off 2009 with a solid team of 10 people under you, going through the LWS program, marketing for you, and giving their first $130 sale to you?
That is the beauty of 1-Up, in that there is incentive for you to help guide your new member recruits to succeed, and build your business for the long haul. I didn't even take into account that, you get $10 for every sale someone under you makes, and $5 for every sale the person under them makes. So, two levels down, there is a residual effect working for you there. Over time, the Freedom 130 plan outshines IPC's even that much more.
Those in the IPC program had better keep recruiting recruiting recruiting. Market, Advertise, Market, because once the flow of sales stop, so does your $200 one time commission.
Not to mention, Once you bring in a member to IPC Program, they essentially become competition to you...
No wonder my sponsors, who claimed to be "top notch mentors", were hard to get a hold of, and weren't really genuine about seeing me rise to the earning levels they are at. IPC program already has enough competition with other programs as it is, LWS, EZ-Wealth Solutions, a bunch of low-cost empty-promises programs, and the multitude of Cash-Gifting programs(which also do work).
I hope that answers some of the questions out there in regards to IPC program and LWS Freedom program.
P.S- There are much more subtle and not so subtle differences, that i can write a lot more about. Shoot me a PM if you'd like. Ive touched on the most significant one, being How We Get Paid.
I'll stick to my personal goal of 5 referrals a month, every month, and grow my income to a steady and profitable amount. I don't wan't to spend most of my day marketing my business. And i also won't feel guilty by promoting a program that relies heavily on hype, with only a handful of savvy marketers making Big bucks...while their army of recruits fizzle out after a couple months or less.
I'm aware of Several successful IPC promoters have made the switch like I have. That's an upside of not having a downline. Plug in LWS instead of IPC in your marketing routine = better Return on Investment in the long run.
Oh, and the fact that LWS is not even a month old...
Industry Heads know's the best time to get in a program is at or near the launch...
Oh, and IPC hides the fact that you'll have to shell out $20 a month for an autoresponder service to follow up your leads, and the recommended hosting to "brand" your website is not mentioned untill you are a paid member. Hosting runs through LunarPages. Even with the IPC discount, that's $80 a year to host your site.
LWS is truely under $197, one time...including email follow ups that contain fresh audio and video messages from the program leaders who do a good job to convert your prospects to sales...
IPC's automated messages are full of "Have you ever made $1000 day ?! ~yournamehere~"
Recap on investment to get up and running for success: IPC $360, LWS $197
At the "Mid-Ticket" investment level, I could go on and on with why i feel LWS is more a valuable/powerful/marketable program than IPC.
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2008 11:49
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Cjay,
On sep 30, you stated that you have made 4 sales. Then on Oct 7, you stated you got an email that you just made your first sale. I am confused?
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# Posted: 12 Oct 2008 15:52
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He said 4 sign-ups. I assumed these were sign-ups who had not become paid members yet. Once they become paid, then the sale is made.
-Melissa
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# Posted: 16 Oct 2008 06:14
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Well I just thought I would put out my latest update.I am still a free member and have been for 24 days.I have not received any voice mails from them trying to close me.My theory here is why would I believe for one moment that Dave and Max are going to try and close my sales for me once I upgrade when they are not making any attempt to get me to upgrade to paid member.The funniest thing is that Dave Dubbs is my sponsor so if he is not trying to close me then who is closing your sales for you.Don't get me wrong I think you can make money here if you are an awesome marketer and sales person but if you sit back and wait for someone else to close your sales for you it will not happen.
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2008 11:08
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emmjay-
R U checking your spam emails for these?
That was happening for me, and then I added LWS Freedom to my contacts list, and all is fine now.
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# Posted: 18 Oct 2008 12:40
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Yes I have been checking my spam folder but I did just receive an email yesterday which to me is not nearly enough effort on their part to convince me to upgrade as of yet.I have past experience with my sponsor and EDC and the first word that comes to mind is greed.
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# Posted: 20 Oct 2008 21:45
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OMG! Have you seen the FREE promo's LWS Freedom is giving away to new members for a limited time?? I have NEVER seen anything like this on the internet before. These FREE give aways alone, have the potential to make us millions.
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2008 07:31
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Cjay,
Gives a great account of the front end of the LWS system, but as he has suggested there are nearly 19 powerful tools in the back office alone that he hasn't even taken advantage of yet. That could easily increase ones opportunities to close sales without waiting on Dave or Max to get to your FREE tour takers. He who hesitates is lost. Get Paid By George!!!
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# Posted: 21 Oct 2008 13:08
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well I have been in LWS since the first day,, made a few sales and have alot of free peeps, in my list.. I do however try to stay in touch with those on the free side to help give them info on training and recorded training. Dave is pretty busy as always and he will answere emails if you send him one but be patient. I've known him for awhile and he is a straight shooter. I really need to be more involved but it's that time of year here where we are in the woods more than at home
LWSF is a great program and we offer free PPC advertising, alot of info and alot of training that others don't. So don't get discouraged get busy...
Have a great week all..
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